Hello Behemot
Those of us that have had those cables you want to know about can tell you how they fit into their systems. But to really give you more help we would need to know your equipment you will be using it with and what you are trying to accomplish with an upgrade so it doesn't sound just different.
I have had the clear day double shotgun. Very nice to excellent. A generalization- I would prefer it for an almost well tuned systems with just a little to much energy. They were nicely detailed with no strong accentuation's on any part of the tonal balance in my system. They seemd a little dry to me for my system. I didn't keep them. Hope that is of some help. |
I highly recommend Morrow Audio SP5....I have reffered about 5 people to Morrow Audio and they all love these cables...pay for the break in ..its worth it. |
I do believe that all 3 of those manufacturers offer a money back guarantee, so perhaps the best thing to do is to try them out for yourself and decide.
Many will tell you what has worked best for them, but the chances are that your listening tastes will vary from their tastes. |
I forgot to mention that I live outside the USA so there is no option for me to audition any of the cables, this will have to be a blind buy - hence the experience sharing request.
My speakers are Aurum Cantus Volla powered by a Tag Mclaren power amplifier (the amplification would probably upgraded within a year or so to a hybrid integrated solution or a tube pre-amp with a SS high current power).
Currently I want more details and air between the instruments, and that the sound would be more "alive". |
I own both the Morrow SP-6 and the Clear Day Shotgun. I like the Clear Day better. It is all soft silver as compared to the Morrow which is copper and then silver coated.
But, you should spring for the double shotgun and you will avoid the upgrade itus. |
Wait until you upgrade the amp FIRST, then do your cable selection.
System synergy matters |
Buy what ever is the piece Transparent Audio makes at your price. There is a reason people buy them. Buy an entry level Mercedes rather than a Kia. Also consider power conditioning! It is not snake oil.
Peterh
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I've owned all 3 , Morrow is all about Air and detail, SC5-E
is solid from top to bottom but less "airy' .
Clear Day Shotgun is not a choice for speakers as inefficent as yours, need Double for that.
If you listen to mostly acoustic music, I'd get the Morrows.
For Rock I'd get the SC-_5
But any reasonable person should be happy with either. |
Is the double shotgun worth the extra cost or should I stick with one of the other two?
I don't want to compromise and regret later on... |
"Currently I want more details and air between the instruments, and that the sound would be more "alive"."
That's something you should take care of with electronics, not cables. |
Electronics will be replaced later this year, not now. This a different scale of budget we're talking about. Currently I want to finalize the SC upgrade. |
Behemot, If you listen to rock/pop IMO not worth waiting.
For classical ,acoustic jazz I think it is. |
02-15-14: Behemot
Electronics will be replaced later this year, not now. This a different scale of budget we're talking about. Currently I want to finalize the SC upgrade. I would recommend waiting on the cables until your electronics are settled. In my experiences, cables work synergistically with the rest of your system. Many times when I change electronics or speakers, I find that I have to change cables and/or cords to tune the sound into what I am looking for again. So if you are set on finalizing your speaker cables now, don't bother changing any electronics in the future. |
As I said, anplificataion is not going to be replaced soon, I am actually quite happy with the current setup, and feel that a minor tweak is due.
Since the SC are the weakest link I thought to upgrade them.
The question remains: under the current setup, which of the alternatives will yield the greatest improvement?
It's hard to convince myself that these tiny Clearday shitguns will deliver with my inefficient speakers, yet they are highly praised here in audiogon.
The Audio Art seem more conventional cables, but I have never got a chance to try them out either.
Then there are the morrows, with their endless levels, thus leaving me confused... |
You don't have to convince your self, says clearly on Clear Day website you need Double Shotgun for your speakers.
I personally confirmed this with owner , a stand-up guy, before I bought my Doubles, as my speakers are in same range as yours.
You hardy ever do get to hear cables, wouldn't much matter
if you did unless it was in your system and in your room.
I never heard speakers that didn't sound at least good with SC-5 or 5E . After break in of course. |
I've owned the Morrow SP-3s and SP-5s biwired and there is little difference in sound between them. They are both nice. I'd always returned to Speltz Anticables because they sound more transparent and live. I believe the Morrow cables are an ingenious attempt to get the buyer to constantly upgrade in the belief that the more expensive version is better--not worth the price difference if you have to go back and forth to even hear one. The SCs I bought were all broken in and used in systems for over a year and by me 24/7 for a 2 week period prior to any listening as a break in after puting them into my system. When I tried MG Audio Planus III copper ribbon SCs, my quest for better sounding SCs ended and the others were sold. Seriously transforming sound and the price was worth it--much more than your looking at though. Can't vouch for the other two cable companies but I'd bet on the Anticables over either. It wouldn't be night and day difference most likely, but the Anti's are very transparent and live sounding in the lower cost category. I liked them way more than the Harnomic Technology Pro 9+ hose sized cables that cost $1499 new. They only lasted a couple weeks before I returned to the Anticables and the joy of listening returned. |
In many systems anti-cables sound terrible, in others they sound good.
I agree upgrades are part of Morrow business plan as it is
with almost every cable company.
I use Morrow SP-3 and SP-4 biwires, SP-4 is a little better but on rock music I doubt if you'd hear the difference . On acoustic music you can.
AudioArt makes SC-5 and Sc-5E period . |
"02-15-14: Behemot
Electronics will be replaced later this year, not now. This a different scale of budget we're talking about. Currently I want to finalize the SC upgrade."
I don't think I get what you are trying to do. How can you finalize your speaker cable upgrade before you have your new electronics in place? |
Zd542 - I want to enjoy my music today, not just a year from now, that's why I want a pair of cables I won't have to upgrade a year from now.
Leaning towards the Clear day double shotgun despite the price |
Why do you want to change your cables...what improvements are you looking for?? If there is a wart in your system, fix the wart rather than find a cable that will hide it. Unless you listen to the new cable in YOUR system you will never know what improvements or deterioration you can expect. One cable may be fine in one system and awful in another. |
This thread's going nowhere, just tell him what he wants to hear. Buy the Clear Day Double Shotgun, it's a great cable, you will love it. ;) |
Jmcgrogan - Yup, that's the spirit, everything's much clearer now - just what I was looking for. thanks for the tip. (regardless of the fact that my setup sounded much much better when I hooked up a pair of Gabriel Gold Revelations I borrowed from a friend, an experiment that taught me that speaker cables CAN make a difference, and that my electronics are fine, a bit lacking in power but nonetheless willing and able. But hey, I've already made up my mind, right?).
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A top KIA is a LOT better than an entry Benz . |
"02-17-14: Behemot
Jmcgrogan - Yup, that's the spirit, everything's much clearer now - just what I was looking for. thanks for the tip."
He's right. There's a reason some of us are not sure that you are doing the right thing by getting your cables before electronics. I can only speak for myself, but I think its foolish. You can get lucky, but the reality is that the same pair of cables can sound different from one piece of equipment to the next. The Gabriel Gold Revelations that you tried with your current amp may sound bad on the next one. Just to be clear, I'm not saying they will definitely sound bad, but it is a real possibility. That's just the way it goes with audio equipment. Also, I speak from actual experience. I've made this mistake myself (and plenty of others, too). |
"02-17-14: Schubert
A top KIA is a LOT better than an entry Benz."
Spot on as always, Schubert. |
Schubert...I don't know if you know that Anti's are different than they were a few years ago. There are now various grades and the copper itself is now pure and aligned...not magnet wire.
Also, I have to disagree with you on the top KIA which is better than the entry level Benz. ...though the Benz probably lasts longer. The Korean cars remind me of how Honda came into the US...lousy (rust buckets) at first, and now at the tops of their class. |
02-17-14: Zd542
There's a reason some of us are not sure that you are doing the right thing by getting your cables before electronics. I can only speak for myself, but I think its foolish. I agree, and I have gone through the same issues myself, as I think all experienced audiophiles have. Which is why we tried to say make your amp move first. However, the OP seems determined to make the speaker cable move first, putting the cart in front of the horse so to speak, so what can we say but "go to it chap". He is determined to learn from his own mistakes, we cannot say he's wrong. We all had to learn our own way too. So go ahead and buy the cables that you obviously want Behemot, and then when you get your new amp, get your new cables......again. And so it begins. ;) |
I guess that's a mistake I'll make as a part of my learning process, as foolish as it may sound, sometimes the best lessons are the one's you learn from your own experience.
In this case it is likely to save me from questionable future upgrades...
Nonetheless I do expect an improvement from the switch.
Amplification upgrade is nothing but a vague plan for the future, nothing concrete.
If I'll love what I'm hearing, no further change will be necessary (except for experiments for curiosity's sake).
Anyway, although it didn't change my nor helped me choose, this discussion had still taught me something. Good enough.
Thanks guys |
Well Stringreen , the Germans agree with me , KIA is the top-selling brand in Deutschland.
I spend a lot of time in Germany, universal distain for el-cheepo Benzes. VERY unreliable as well.
I've owned 3 Mercedes, primarily because I got great deals when I lived in Germany, not to mention I used to be a snob.
No question , E-class on up are great cars, but so is a Chevy Impmala which costs you half as much to buy and a quarter as much to maintain.
The motivating factor behind the vast majority of Benz sales in the USA is that it says I'm rich and you're not. |
I have a bookshelf speakers rated at 85dB 8 Ohm. I use Clear Day Shotgun and I'm perfectly happy on it. I find it ironic people use garden hose SC while speakers voice coils are not thicker than 30AWG. |
I have a bookshelf speakers rated at 85dB 8 Ohm. I use Clear Day Shotgun and I'm perfectly happy on it. I find it ironic people use garden hose SC while speakers voice coils are not thicker than 30AWG. |
Redline , you (and about 100 others) talked me into buying a pr of Clear Day Double Shotguns w. jumpers. for my 86db Totem
Model 1 Signatures.
Just received today, about 2 hours in , music no longer comes from the speakers, just there rock solid in space and tone.
OMG what will they do when broken in?
Right now, Louie and Ella are doing " Autumn in New York" ,sounds like a live gig at Birdland. |
Update:
Pulled the trigger om a pair of Clear Day Double Shotguns & jumpers.
Let's see what change these babies bring to the music... |
"02-18-14: Behemot
I guess that's a mistake I'll make as a part of my learning process, as foolish as it may sound, sometimes the best lessons are the one's you learn from your own experience.
In this case it is likely to save me from questionable future upgrades...
Nonetheless I do expect an improvement from the switch.
Amplification upgrade is nothing but a vague plan for the future, nothing concrete.
If I'll love what I'm hearing, no further change will be necessary (except for experiments for curiosity's sake)."
Why not give The Cable Co. a call? I find their loaner program one of the most valuable resources available. They really do make it easier for you. Personally, I won't buy cables any other way. Been using them for many years. |
If they would only ship acroos the globe that would indded be the ultimate solution... |
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