dynaquest4 And during such babble, they lash out, often on a personal level, at those who would dare challenge that, perhaps they are wasting their money to line the pockets of those companies that have cleverly figured out how to scam them. Our friend Geoff is a classic example of this type "audiophile."
>>>>Paranoid much? Do you have a frog in your pocket?
stevecham3,304 posts03-07-2019 9:55pmI just finished reading the description of The Super Intelligent Chip and, having worked closely with engineers and manufacturers of REAL quantum dots, and original patent holders Bawendi (MIT), Alivasatos (UC Berkeley) and others, for several years, well, frankly, I don’t know where to begin, but most of what is portrayed in that diatribe is complete horse hockey. A quantum dot is not an "artificial atom." It is a nanocrystal semiconductor. Plus, they fully quench when exposed to other metals, so that destroys any emissive properties they may have once had.
I have been accused above of being a test tube baby, repeating myself, being out of touch with reality, and having attended school for too long.
What IS fascinating to me though is how sociopaths, instead of being empathetically helpful to others in any way, shape or form, or offering useful information, simply project themselves and their characters onto others.
>>>>>If you don’t know where to begin maybe shouldn’t begin. Quantum dots are referred to as “Artificial Atoms” because they are “tunable” and they have empty “holes” where the nucleus should be. That’s why they’re called “Artificial Atoms.” Furthermore, my Super Intelligent Chip, like the original Intelligent Chip, contains quantum dots that are sandwiched between highly reflective metals to boost the photon chain reaction. Maybe you better go back and re-read my explanation. Have you considered asking for your money back from whatever backwater school you went to? You get a A for name dropping and F for subject matter knowledge.
Steve: welcome to the alternate world of those "audiophiles" who will defend to the death audio accessories that, while pretty, are overpriced and, in most cases, ineffective in achieving performance claims. Actually, it seems that the more overpriced they are the more appeal they have.
True...they can spend their money however they want but when challenged to document how or why these voo-doo magic accessories actually work, they babble with numb tongues.
And during such babble, they lash out, often on a personal level, at those who would dare challenge that, perhaps they are wasting their money to line the pockets of those companies that have cleverly figured out how to scam them. Our friend Geoff is a classic example of this type "audiophile."
I just finished reading the description of The Super Intelligent Chip and, having worked closely with engineers and manufacturers of REAL quantum dots, and original patent holders Bawendi (MIT), Alivasatos (UC Berkeley) and others, for several years, well, frankly, I don’t know where to begin, but most of what is portrayed in that diatribe is complete horse hockey. A quantum dot is not an "artificial atom." It is a nanocrystal semiconductor. Plus, they fully quench when exposed to other metals, so that destroys any emissive properties they may have once had.
I have been accused above of being a test tube baby, repeating myself, being out of touch with reality, and having attended school for too long.
What IS fascinating to me though is how sociopaths, instead of being empathetically helpful to others in any way, shape or form, or offering useful information, simply project themselves and their characters onto others.
Yea all those $$$$$$$$ second-coming speaker cables really help when the binding posts on the amp and the speakers are likely the same $100 a pop WBT, while the amp/speaker parts inside are using $10 per meter quality wires.
Steve, you must have been in school too long. And why are you repeating yourself? You seem a little bit detached from reality on quite a few posts. Do you ever feel like a test tube baby?
Geoff: calm down man! Advertising, by definition, is preying on uninformed people in order to inform them and attract their attention long enough to elicit an emotional response. Only then does a potential customer begin the process of "ownership," meaning, "I gotta have it." It's not a judgement call, it's generically what it is and what it's intended to do.
Jeez, I had no idea that comment would elicit such a response. Maybe I should go into advertising.
I've done a lot of work in the video field, and well, just keep thinking that way.... so I can sell superior audio and superior video gear.... and
you won't have a clue how it came to be.
"Mr Smarty Pants?" Really, Geoff, I know you have no other pastime but hawking this forum (note your zillions of posts) but, please..."Mr Smarty Pants?"
Ditto on the HDMI...digital pass through cannot be improved upon. You know that, don't you?
Riddle me this, Mr. Smarty Pants, so how come the Monoprice Cable sounds like crap, you know, relative to the Nordost? But if you like it, hey, that’s what counts. Most likely you never heard either one.
I imagine you probably think cheap Monoprice HDMI cables sound just as good as high end HDMI cables, right? Besides, that’s not an example of an extreme claim by a cable manufacturer. In fact, that “example” just describes the product. It’s actually just a description, not a claim. Hel-loo! Better luck next time. Shut the cave door and back to pigmy country!
OK, Goeffery....here is one example; a USB cable. an informed person knows that the transfer of ones and zeros either gets to its destination or not. A cable cannot sonically improve the signal. Yet for $550.00, Nordost will sell you one of their cheaper ("modestly priced") ones. And they say:
The new Purple Flare USB 2.0 Data
Cable combines OFC conductors with Nordost’s innovative precision FEP extrusion
technology, greatly reducing dielectric properties in order to increase signal
speeds and ensure both electrical and sonic integrity. This double-shielded
cable provides the detailed and dynamic
results that music servers and DACs are capable of. Audiophiles will be amazed
at the amazing improvements that can be achieved at this modest price point.
Digital cables make a difference,
and USBs are no exception. The Purple Flare USB 2.0 Data cable is the most
efficient and cost-effective digital cable, capable of delivering the ones and zeroes
with maximum precision. With this cable in your setup, you will find a lift in
your system that is simply not possible when using its stock counterparts.
Monoprice sells a USB cable that does the same thing for 89 cents. Their gold plated version is $1.49. Really...a better quality USB cable may have some benefits but improving audio quality is not one of them in my opinion - and in the opinion of just about everybody - except those that manufacture, distribute, market and retail them. (Follow the money) Oh...and the final group are those who got sucked into buying these and now would never admit they got snaked.
What are you talking about? I asked if anyone has any examples of extreme claims that cable companies make. All I got from you is a lot of who shot John. You’re talking through your hat.
Please don't direct me to "get over it." It makes you appear to hold a position you cannot, and do not qualify to, occupy. Try to limit your "puffiness" to the point in discussion.
Huh? Everyone advertises. If you don’t advertise something horrible happens. Nothing. Follow? If someone says our cables are the most accurate most musical cables in the world that’s called puffing. Get over it.
dynaquest4"he is referring to truth in advertising. Extreme claims for a product that contain no real, substantive performance justification"
What extreme claims are you mentioning, referencing, and objecting to hear and in addition after you have identified these claims, assurances, and representations why is it that you do not pursue, engage, and undertake remedial action?
Think he is referring to truth in advertising. Extreme claims for a product that contain no real, substantive performance justification...do just one thing: prey on the uninformed.
What extreme claims of cable manufacturers? Give me a break! This is all made up stuff by sun crazed pseudo skeptics. Shut the cave door and back to pigmy country!
When a company doesn’t promote its product something terrible happens. Nothing.
Just like this kind of Audiogon poster to become emotional and transition to political references and derogatory comments about someone else's financial status. I thought we were talking about the questionable efficacy of very expensive cables.
Seems the only "whining" is emanating from that source.
Anyway, its not really a matter of "having more than you" but whether spending a year's salary on speakers (plus cables) is smart. I'd bet the average Audiogon forum participant has less than $10K in their main speakers. And I bet they sound great.
You dont have to resort to quoting the most extreme claims of some cable manufacturers to make your point. Not all of us that spend a fair amount on cables believes the most extreme marketing hype nor do we necessarily buy from the manufacturers that spew this nonsense.
It is a fallacy to believe that buying ultra expensive speakers warrants ultra-expensive cables. Besides the difference between $10,000 and $200,000 speakers is likely only on the order of 5%
in sound quality
(law of diminishing returns). That would suggest that the very subtle "improvements" that ultra-expensive cables could (maybe) provide ultra-expensive speakers would be barely audible.
However, if you freeze those new cables, put wood blocks under them , attach batteries, put voo-doo goop on the terminals and ensure the the direction is correct...well then the differences could be mind-blowingly jaw-dropping!
I believe in high quality cables but not buying into the $10K+ price point some companies are marketing. Some people obviously have too much money and too little brains.
Folks complain about pricing of everything, so it seems like we don’t need threads like this. But folks like complaining, so be it. Did we learn anything from this group cathartic event?
And how much is too much for any given aspect of an audio system? Some have no issue about spending $20k for a Rockna DAC, but complain about spending a given amount for a speaker cable. Everyone’s got priorities.
Arguably, the input power lines and the listening room acoustics are the areas one should spend their money, because those two areas dictate to a large extent how an audio system performs. But mostly crickets are expressed about those priorities.
geoffkait Absolutely! We must protect ourselves against the, ahem, liberal agenda. Yes, Garden and Gun, Field and Stream & AK, Home Design & Semi...etc. Happy Stocking!
@geoffkait Garden and Gun? Its a southern thing. If you'e not from here, don't try to understand it. I live it. But not like in the magazine.
uberwaltz, model not included. Can't say she was all that pretty anyway.
glupson, if I recall it was one of those restored wooden runabouts that cost the same as a Ferrari. Or maybe it was a sailboat. Or a dock. I threw the magazine down after seeing $400 towel.
I might not go for $10 000 speaker cables but good towel might be worth the asking price at some point. It may sell for less than list price, too.
$400 for a towel without a model must, in a long run, be much cheaper than $400 for the towel with a model. All of a sudden, those $10 000 cables do not seem so exorbitantly expensive.
But I was reading a sickeningly pretentious magazine called Garden & Gun that my wife gets and there was a model on a boat wrapped in a beach towel. The list price of the beach towel was $400. I think I can safely say that even if I was uber-rich I would have no need or desire for a $400 beach towel.
I guess everyone is different about money. And it is always easy to look into someone else's situation and criticize it because it doesn't fit our own outlook.
There is the idea that if you have tons and tons of money then blowing it on $10,000 or $40,000 speaker cables is the thing to do.
I don't think I would be that way....I wish someone would give me tons and tons of money to test my theory.
But I was reading a sickeningly pretentious magazine called Garden & Gun that my wife gets and there was a model on a boat wrapped in a beach towel. The list price of the beach towel was $400. I think I can safely say that even if I was uber-rich I would have no need or desire for a $400 beach towel.
When I'm searching for a $10 item I'll still try to find one for $9.
I had to laugh at wesheadley's response. Not only does he "know" that cables plateau in the hundreds and not thousands, but he also has divine insight into the buying motives of others. Perhaps he would like to share with the rest of us a bit of his resume. I also think I can detect of bit of a shaming mentality so often present in discussions about the purchase of luxury items.
Huh, this is becoming a socio-economic aspect of sound quality.
Continuously raising prices does not seem to impact the major audio market that negatively. iPhones and similar machines have been selling quite well. On the other hand, I can see economic inequity impacting some segments of audio market as wireless Apple earphones remain expensive and they are what a large number of music-listeners are striving for.
+ 1. Folks have been whining about the exorbitant prices ever since the 60s and 70s. I complained rather vociferously myself on occasion. But not once did I try to emulate Fabio. A man’s got to know his limitations.
”3,000 billionaires -- no, these products are made for high net-worth professionals and of course, the venerable trust-fund-babies...”
Like, whatever, dude. That doesn’t change the point that I’m making, which is that economic inequity has distorted the audio market.
There that old saying about the size of a guy’s stereo speakers are in inverse proportion to the size of his d - - -. With today’s .5%, the resources available to compensate for such insecurities are greater than ever.
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