I will be picking up a pair of Thiel CS2.4 at UPS tomorrow. Do you think they will fit in my car?I drive a small BMW 2004 3's coupe. I hope I can fit on in the trunk and another one in frontof the passenger seat.
I live on the west coast where temperature is very moderate so I guess that's why a lot more people are driving smaller import cars. On the east and midwest, I notice people drive a lot more larger domestic cars. Is it because the wheather condition is quite a bit harsher vs. the west coast.
I sold some CS6's to a guy from Amarillo who had the perfect vehicle for those of us who keep swapping speakers: A Ford Excursion: its an F250 based SUV. He had enough room in there for another pair of speakers and a couple of Krell FPB 600's. Which is about what we Thielguys need to transport the necessary power for our Thiels. In Texas, most driveways have a pickup and an SUV. When I lived in a small town south of Lubbock, everyone had a Suburban, just to go grocery shopping in the big city..
A small midrange driver has the advantage of better transient and speed and probably because of that, has better clarity. It is also easier to cross to the tweeter because it has a wide dispersion at around 3khz which is the typical cross over point to the tweeter for most speakers. The disadvantage of a small midrange driver is it lacks lower midrange weight vs. say a 5.5in. midrange driver. You could neutralize that by crossing a small mid range driver to the bass driver at a higher frequency. For example, a typical 5.5in midrange driver crosses to the bass driver at around 300 to 400hz. For the small mid range driver of the CS2.4, you have to cross higher, and I believe from Stereophile measuremnt page, the CS2.4 cross over point is around 1KHz between the mid and the bass driver.
The weakness of a larger mid range driver, such as the 5.5in is that at 3khz, it starts beaming so its dispersion is different from the tweeter so the listening window is a bit narrower, but it can be done. You could cross over a 5.5in to the tweeter at a lower freq. maybe around 2.5khz or 2.0khz to improve dispersion but crossing the tweeter low has its own problem too. I guess it's a matter of compromise. One is better at higher freq. and the other is better at the lower freq. One is clearer and cleaner, whereas the other is a bit warmer and fuller at the lower midrange freq. I guess it depends on your preference.
Regardless of how the cross over points are implemented, ultimately the physics of the size will dictate the sound. I think that's why many people have said the CS2.4 can sound a bit lean. I don't think in the absolute sense, they sound lean, but in relative to other speakers that use larger mid range driver, they do sound a bit lean relatively. That does not mean they sound bright by any mean.
@andy2 , I'm curious how you'd describe the small midrange sound. I'd have thought that it would have less directional sound and therefore be less room dependent. I decided a while back that I like small midranges. I'm not 100% sure why. Maybe more resolution due to low mass, maybe less directional and therefore better off axis response. Maybe something else, I'm not sure but I never would've thought they had an inherent sound.
I got two rigs. One is Arcam CD23, Conrad Johnson 17LS and Simaudio Moon W-3. The other is Ayre QB9 DSD, Pass Lab XP10 and SImaudio W7.
Anyway, just got the Thiel home. Very nice sounding. It's natural and neutral at the same time. Not bright at all. But it does have it's own sound due to using a small mid range driver. I'll post my thoughts over at the Thiel's thread.
Actually no. The boxes turn out to be a bit too big for the car. I already have someone with a SUV to help me tomorrow.
I thought I would be able to listen to some Thiels tonight but will have to wait. I am just hoping they won't be damaged during shipping (all the way from New York to SoCal).
andy2 Nice score! Good advice as above except buying a new car. If your back seats fold down exposing the trunk then yes. Otherwise, (1) speaker in the back seat face down. The other in your passenger front seat reclined all of the way back. I like djones51 suggestion. Pretty crafty. I am looking forward in your assessment, impressions and thoughts on the CS 2.4 loudspeaker. Happy Listening!
You don’t know the H x W x D, plus the gross weight of the containers / crates. Best to get a van - - and a friend to help you load and unload them. Carrying and moving shipping crates can easily be a two-person task.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt for my 2.7s
Is this really a serious question? Hire a small van, If in doubt.....actually be safe hire one. Will probably cost you about a $100 or less with no hassle. Why take the risk?
I plan to fold down the back seat. The Thiels is a bit narrow so I will place one on the side in the trunk length-wise. The front passenger side should fit one.
Probably. Interior width of your BMW is 54” and the Thiels are a tad over 41” tall. You will have to take them out of whatever packaging the seller shipped them to you in however as I’m pretty certain they won’t fit still in a box. Good luck finding an easy way to dispose of that ...
I took some Thiel 2 2s home in a Honda Accord. I believe I put one in the front passenger seat and laid one down in the back seat. Take some blankets, I'm pretty sure you'll be fine.
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