This kind of post is your habit...At least i try not to insult people most of the times and i answer to arguments... I answered each one of yours... You call my answers arguments with no counter argument from yours save a label an "idealism gobblewick" or hypocrital accusation coming from your mimicking paranoiac discourse for your enemies or your foes, then ? Everyone is an ally or an enemies for you...
Write to Daryl Davis and say to him he is " a room low IQ idealist " so to speak because he trust free speech and education over censorship of any kind...
No need to write the name of your party affiliation to guess it nor the name of the party you despised...
I say that to you because i hate political left /right discussions... they divide people...They made no sense at all now...America is dying from this puppets controlled theater ...Canada is dead now...
I apologize when i am wrong by the way ...
And i am sometimes wrong being imperfect...it is the reason why you read my apology... Are you surprized that i can be wrong?
I am not...
Call that hypocrisy if you want, others will decide ...
But if by my own human weakness i give in to the tentation to insult you or anybody or if i am too rude in the heat of a discussion , i will apologize another time...It is the less i can do...
bsolute hogwash. You’re intentionally conflating the concept of "free speech" as written in the Constitution with what can be said on a privately owned site. You don’t fool anyone (with an IQ above room temperature) with your victim signaling.
All the best,
Nonoise
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I like your posts... You are way more economical than me...
Perhaps i must learn from you?
I may be wrong with my too lenghty posts...For sure...
😉
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No need to write the name of your party affiliation to guess it nor the name of the party you despised..
There you go again... it's like talking to a wall.
I like your posts... You are way more economical than me...
Perhaps i must learn from you?
I may be wrong with my too lenghty posts...For sure...
This is getting too easy...
All the best,
Nonoise
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This is getting too easy...
I am happy to say that you may be right here...But i hope you will not appeal to my ban in the desert...
I spoke too much yes...i hope with originality, arguments and the less insults possible or the less rudeness possible...
But anyway there is always a LINK between my posts matter...
I know for sure you are very intelligent you will discover it...
Humans invented language precisely by eliminating authoritatian apes self censorship? By inventing laughing and synchronized polyphony and rythms a marvellous social tools...They create a ladder toward the symbolic unreal world, and this social virtual new created world was used as tool to manage in a better way, education and hunt in the real world...Is it not extraordinary?
This is the reason why i posted a link to a very interesting conference about the origin of language and his link to music as social tools...There is a lesson hidden here...
Do you see the link with the censorship matter and the polarization of society?
Or am i out of the discussion always in the fringe of " idealism"?
Or just pedantic for the sake of being pedantic?
A little bit pedantic,yes, i assume my human defect...
You are not completely wrong...
Perhaps one day we will laugh of one another?
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My best to you...
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mahgister,
Why do you even bother?
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Because i am not wise enough in spite of my age, i like to discuss, and i like people, even those i disagree with...
I am retired, and i miss the students discussion...
And i am a bit "pedantic" say nonoise and i think there is a bit of truth here... 😁😊
but i prefer to be pedantic than ideologically too much politicized...
I am very frank also...
Thank you for your concern,
my deepest respect.....
mahgister,
Why do you even bother?
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I am hesitant to respond here as these tribal tennis matches have no solution. I would suggest to nonoise, I cannot determine if he is feigning naivety or being disingenuous in the assertion that "if one is really intent on getting out their message , go to the nearest public square.....". The public square is unfortunately now social media and internet forums. Even the traditional college campus free space- once a bastion of free speech- is now unsafe for varying views from youthful idealism; it has been muzzled. I support a private business right to set norms for their site, until their site transforms into a shared platform of national/international scope; when it becomes the de facto method of communication, like the telephone once was . Facebook, Linkedin, Twitter.....these are now THE conduit for information worldwide. When that happens, a site owner loses some flexibility in my eyes.
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Why was Millercarbon banished? Censorship is a tool of elites who view themself as more noble and more knowledgeable than others. Freedom of speech is a concept not required by people who express popular ideas.
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Don’t know and don’t really care but in the interest of clarity it should have been done a long time before it was IMHO based on malicious actions I and others are aware of, not just words.
If you think it’s because of censorship you are likely wrong. I know for a fact the mods went out of their way to not censor Mr. Miller. So he must have done something very wrong other than talk to change that.
There are always certain lines that people should not be allowed to cross. I am very confident the mods do not ban people without good cause.
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I cannot determine if he is feigning naivety or being disingenuous in the assertion that "if one is really intent on getting out their message , go to the nearest public square.....". The public square is unfortunately now social media and internet forums.
This site in not part of the public square. This is a private site. The internet in general under certain circumstances is considered "public". In other words as long as there is somewhere on the internet, even if it’s one site already in existence or one you start where you can " air your grievances" then your Free Speech rights have not been violated.
Facebook, Linkedin, Twitter.....these are now THE conduit for information worldwide. When that happens, a site owner loses some flexibility in my eyes.
Wrong, only the conduit that carries the message, the wires or wireless, not the owner of the vehicles "Facebook etc.." traveling the wire is protected. You cannot be refused access to the internet, the wire, based on your Free Speech rights you can most certainly be banned from the vehicles.
This is the problem in a nutshell. To many people do not understand how the First amendment protects your Free Speech rights from intrusion or punishment from the Government and even then there are still limits. At least in the United States not sure about the rest of the world.
To make an analogy, Newspapers can censor or refuse to print what you say. The government or competing newspapers cannot keep your from printing and circulating your own newspaper. You want the world to know how much of an AH you are , start a blog.
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@djones51 : you nailed it! Well put & explained.
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That is a nice fantasy world you live in @djones51 , BUT, we have payment companies cancelling people, we have ISP’s cancelling people.
Obviously there is a need for much stronger laws in this current technical environment to protect free speech. WHY? Because government has allowed private companies to take on responsibility for what would have traditionally been at some level "public utilities".
Banks, Credit Card companies, ISPs, etc. and other government regulated entities should not be allowed to refuse service unless the intended usage is illegal.
That has benefits to both the public with w.r.t. to protecting both not only the concept of free speech, but also for these entities as they stop being targets for malicious public abuse by the "mob".
We need to be concerned with more than just the present legal definition of free speech and start acting on the principle of free speech and what enables (or disables it).
These "private" entities such as Banks, ISPs, Credit Card companies rely on the good will of government and public to operate, whether it is access to virtual money to lend, public physical property on which to run their cables, even roads to transport goods.
Keep in mind, I am no way advocating socialism, simply that the Government needs to be for the people and needs to look out for the best interests of people more than they currently are.
We have enshrined protections preventing discrimination on the basis of religion, sex, gender, ....... but perhaps are missing the big picture, discrimination for what you think.
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We have enshrined protections preventing discrimination on the basis of religion, sex, gender, ....... but perhaps are missing the big picture, discrimination for what you think.
I’ve yet to see any laws discriminating on what you think. Using platforms as a vehicle for hate, oppression, and elimination have to be regulated. Anything less is a fool’s idea of utopia.
This reminds me of the movie Forbidden Planet, where they find an old and great civilization that created a machine that could materialize everyone’s thoughts, wishes and imaginings, and in one night, they killed themselves in a mass genocide.
One scientist who tried the machine and died of it, said before passing on,
"creatures from the Id...".
All the best,
Nonoise
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Obviously there is a need for much stronger laws in this current technical environment to protect free speech. WHY? Because government has allowed private companies to take on responsibility for what would have traditionally been at some level "public utilities".
If you're saying that the internet should be regulated by the FCC the same as the airspace is for broadcast TV then that's a different discussion and not one I would necessarily be against.
That has benefits to both the public with w.r.t. to protecting both not only the concept of free speech, but also for these entities as they stop being targets for malicious public abuse by the "mob".
No sure who this mob is you're talking about. Are you advocating censorship of the mob? I can't boycott Hobby Lobby because I dislike their politics?
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but perhaps are missing the big picture, discrimination for what you think.
I can think whatever I want, but no private entity is required to offer me a soapbox. You can stand on the sidewalk and picket but you can't go on private property and not expect pushback.
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@tylermunns
These days, both sides of the aisle are advocating censorship. It’s one thing to get it from one side, but now we’re getting from both sides. This is a disturbing trend, to say the least.
I consider it quite fair that someone, in light of these trends, would be alarmed to see people willingly and eagerly advocating censorship, regardless of the venue and their policies.
It’s one thing for the managers of a venue to implement restrictions on their patrons’ behavior, but it’s another thing to see the venue’s patrons REQUESTING a loss of freedom. It seems self-defeating, masochistic…I dunno…stupid? “I couldn’t help but notice there’s not enough censorship here, Mr. Director, may we please have some more?”
I will challenge this kind of thinking regardless of the venue, because I think it is bad and indicative of an accepted mode of thinking in our population that is more than complicit in the erosion of our freedoms.
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Me too.
It’s an unfortunate fact that because of the pyramid-shaped way that power structures are usually arranged, it’s often all too easy for unrepresentative pressure groups to have an unwarranted influence upon the way that policies are formed.
You could even argue that it’s directly lead to "cancel culture", an oxymoron if ever there was one. Speaking of which, yes you @nonoise, there do seem to be some among us here who appear to be constantly shouting.
Therefore it might be interesting to have someone from the forum administration to also chip in with their opinion on this subject.
For example, just how seriously do you take the OPs complaint?
Are some of us about to be ’cancelled’?
Is this forum about to be transformed into an advertising agency?
Questions, questions...
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For example, just how seriously do you take the OPs complaint?
Are some of us about to be ’cancelled’?
The OP was complaining about me. If the owners of Audiogon want to cancel me or toss me off that's their prerogative. It's the price I paid when I voluntarily joined this site and agreed to their terms.
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@cd318
Me, shouting? That's rich coming from you. You're operating under the notion that you can say whatever you want but I have to watch what I say. Free speech, and the discussion of it, is a two way street.
One thing I've pointed out in many threads over the years, is that all posts should remain up for all to see, warts and all. That way all can get a handle on just who they're dealing with, and if they want, to never deal with them again if they wish.
Another is that those that cry and wail against censorship, are the first to have members posts removed after they've replied to their offending posts. Rank hypocrisy every single time.
As for the OPs question, I've already stated how I feel.
As for anyone about to be "canceled" , are you feeling guilty about something?
Is a negative response to what you say enough to drive you over the cliff decrying "cancel culture"? If so, that sounds a lot like projection on your part and a device to hide behind, which is what claiming "cancel culture" is, after all.
All the best,
Nonoise
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@djones51 , I will try to unpack this as best as I can. Let's start by saying that this place, is, for the most part, not infrastructure so what I would apply to other entities, even Facebook, would not appear here.
If you're saying that the internet should be regulated by the FCC the same as the airspace is for broadcast TV then that's a different discussion and not one I would necessarily be against.
I am saying that we have allowed the line between "Private" entities and public utilities to blur too far. Many aspects of Facebook, especially the communications aspects, are an effective equivalent of a public utility. In the past, a telephone could not be refused by Ma Bell unless bills were not paid or the phone was used for illegal purposes. No one was threatening to burn down their offices because someone, someone did not like, was allowed to have a telephone.
I would put Banks, and credit cards / payment processing into that, i.e. Paypal. There is enough concentration into few enough companies, that I think a legal requirement to serve is essential if we want to preserve the concept of free speech. Ditto would be for ISPs and access to the Internet.
Today, say the wrong thing, upset the wrong 10%, 25%, etc. of the population and Credit Card companies will refuse to process your payments, etc. even though you are doing nothing illegal. ISPs may refuse you service, etc.
What is the point of having a legal right to criticize the government, etc. if private companies are able to eliminate your ability to have a voice. You can't even create your own platform unless you are exceedingly wealthy because again, Credit Cards won't process your payments, ISPs won't allow you access, etc. Very very dangerous precedent.
I see right to access laws as beneficial for these companies as well. One has to expect that while some of their banning is partisan politics, a lot of it is just knee jerk reactions because it is easier to ban one person, then it is to stand up to the mobs insisting that person is cancelled. If these companies are not legally able to cancel that person, except for illegal activity, then those companies don't have to worry about the outraged mobs.
To wit, YOU can boycott Hobby Lobby all you want, same as I can avoid ULINE if at all possible (I really wish they had some effective competition).
However, what I don't think is acceptable, is that you and an outraged mob, lobby Hobby Lobby's bank, which I consider an essential service, effectively infrastructure, such that the bank feels pressured to drop them as a client. I would likely extend that to Facebook as it has become ubiquitous, and perhaps even Youtube. You-tube does not like your politics and they demonetize your videos (but happily capitalize on the mindshare of the viewers you bring to their platform).
These are private entities, BUT they rely heavily on public infrastructure to survive, including physical space, airwaves, etc. Private company, you don't want to allow XXX to use your network, that's okay, we will take usage of 1.5-1.75GHz away from you, I hope it was not important. Mr. Bank, you don't want to serve this customer? No problem. Now you must have 100% assets to match your lending because you don't get to print money from the central bank any more. Youtube, you don't want to allow certain people? No problem, your data can longer be carried on any infrastructure that makes use of public land.
It is all about deciding what type of society you want to live in.
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au·dio·phile | \ ˈȯ-dē-ō-ˌfī(-ə)l \
Definition of audiophile
: a person who is enthusiastic about high-fidelity sound reproduction
Not sure who you are complaining about.
The focus (or target?) of the OP “Audiophile’s” would seem to cover a wide range of people who enjoy listening to music. Or even sound effects?
There will always be spirited battles between the subjectivists and objectivists. Many “audiophiles” probably reside in both camps to one degree or another. I don’t believe I hear any difference using myriad items claimed to improve or enhance the sound of the music I listen to.
I do hear differences between many pieces of equipment.
What exactly IS a non audiophile anyway?
Is this about audio or Constitutional law 101?
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@nonoise ,
I feel your position is clouded by a belief that because things are relatively good today, that they will always be so. I don't share that belief and history is on my side.
As for anyone about to be "canceled" , are you feeling guilty about something?
Is a negative response to what you say enough to drive you over the cliff decrying "cancel culture"? If so, that sounds a lot like projection on your part and a device to hide behind, which is what claiming "cancel culture" is, after all.
This post to me is ignorant of today's reality. Take for instance, and I would appreciate some leeway from mods, trans rights to participate in sport. I don't feel at all guilty saying that biological women are at a disadvantage and this should not be allowed. I also don't feel guilty saying that a biological woman's live experience is different from a trans person. However, it today's world, there is a large contingent that will want to cancel you. Just look at J.K. Rowling.
Similarly, there is a large body of scientific evidence that shows that our brains continue to develop till our early 20's and that most teens with gender dysphoria naturally gravitate to their biological sex over time. Even stating that, which is pure scientific data, can get you a slap on the wrist on Twitter and don't even consider suggesting that reasonable limits for gender transition for teens is a good idea in some circles, or you will be labelled all kinds of nasty things even though your position is based on scientific facts.
I could give you many examples where having reasonable views will have people attempt to cancel you. The end result is lack of communication and societal division.
In Russia right now, many people are totally unaware that Russians are somewhat indiscriminately killing people in Ukraine. People in China are also unaware. You think that can't happen here? There are many examples in our world today where freedom, especially around speech, but as much communication of thought, are being reduced. To think it will not happen here and not impact your family directly is not a supportable position.
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Thanks deludeaudiophile for your great posts!
In Trudeau Canada your future is here to be seen...Take a look!
Your speech will be controlled...
And Controls under the skin is coming and welcome...For now it is a vaxx card but wait it will be improved soon...
Read Orwell and Huxley, they are already beaten and overpassed anyway by all events now....
Like said Yuval Harari the prophet men are not free, "free will" never existed, and the soul is like an optical illusion, men are here to be hacked...Many can and will be hacked... Bill Gates like that ....
Just this week a law is discussed where it will be an unelected few at the head of WHO who will decide OVER elected officials of all countries law what we must do in a pandemic case and they will decide "scientifically for sure" what a pandemy is and when... Look at Shangai now if you want a preview... Bill Gates loves that ...Gives him the key...( No it is not a conspiracy it is FACT it is the biggest contributor in money to the WHO)
And right now an Australian heroic journalist will de deported to be imprison and suicided in the Soviet empire, oups excuse in America ,for no reason save publishing the truth...No protest in North America.... It remind me of Soljenitsyn deportation...
Welcome to the future next door...
And some want more censorship or want to be ruled by youtube, tweeter, and banned like the deluded IMPOTENT president Trump was by decree of unlected rich NOBODIES...Have you not seen the reaction of Trudeau government about pacific protest? A bill about bank account suspension?
911 was when? 22 years ago soon... It islike nobody had learn anything... They think right or left... 😁😊 they scapegoat their neighbours like in the Hebrew desert some tribes asking for their sin forgiveness...
i am flabbergasted each day...
People are so brainwashed in North america already i must self-censor myself even here...
They dont even want to know that we all became robot already, the programmation has alrady begun...
Mankind soul is uprooted now by corporate power like pygmies bodies were uprroted by forced exile in the colonization of their forest by European corporation and political small powers...
Language is born with laughs and music and with the new "symbolic" world 300, 000 years ago by the better synchronization of sexes in education and hunt practice of the members tribes and the refusal of our brother apes their censorship habits and male domination ... Today the new symbolic space is a soul prison and we ask for censorship and our music is the silence of those who will be hacked and wish for it and will liked that...
"Wait you will own nothing and you will be happy "
There is enough crisis now to be prepared and well cooked already : a good and "just" war, another pandemic, a climate crisis, count your last freedom days...
And call me a conspirationist...
I will call you an ostrich...
It is all about deciding what type of society you want to live in.
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in the mean time i invite you to listen to that and like me learn something about society and language:
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And dont forgot to meditate about the deep symbolic and concrete meaning of voices polyphonics and rythms in pygmies society, our human craddle and the ONLY human house :
By the way a great jazz musician decided decades ago to go back to Africa...for purely musical reason and investigation... Not for nostalgical racial reason at all by the way like the return in Africa for some others...In his case it was a pure musical problem he wanted to understand...
He want to understand what a freshly arrived african mysteriously say about music in America: "it did not roll most of the times "...Without explaining it...
Then he take the boat and go in Africa investigate African music...
His discovery after a long trip was this:
Music "roll" inside itself when the tempo rise with the music itself and trough and in the body rising tides and when it is not imposed over the melody and over the body by an external metronimic mechanical way...
Some jazz "roll" better than other piece of jazz, even some classical interpretation of written music like Furtwangler for example "roll" better than with some other maestro...
Then he came back to America again happy to understand why good music must "roll" inside itself...
I forgot his name sorry...
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Now guess why the fact that some music "roll" has something to do with the origin of the human society and language ?
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And guess what is the relation to censorship...
These posts remind me of my job with the students... Sorry if i am "pedantic here"...
Nonoise was not wrong about that i guess...
But i will not change much at 71 now... 😁😊
By the way there is a deep relation about music, timing, and time and non commutative geometry and symmetry breaking and the Pytagorean origin of occidental science and music notions , but it will be too much "pedantic" for the thread and too long to be explained... You see i can control myself... 😁😊
«You say too much or too little»-Groucho Marx 🤓
«Do you want to censor him?»-harpo Marx
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@deludedaudiophile ,
I feel your position is clouded by a belief that because things are relatively good today, that they will always be so. I don't share that belief and history is on my side.
Where on earth did you get that impression from what I wrote? Things are horribly askew these days and not getting any better. Sounds like you're either reading between the lines, something that isn't there, or just provocatively trolling away to have relevance and in the end, making a fool of yourself.
I feel that biological women are at a disadvantage as well in the scenario you speak of and that "canceling" someone for saying so is wrong, but it's just another opinion, isn't it? Everyone's free to say what they think, aren't they? Nothing is being forced on you, aside from having to listen.
All that "canceling" of Rowling is of minor importance and blown all out of proportion to the general population, unless you live on Twitter or some other social medium and think that's reality. If you do, I pity you.
As for "Russians are somewhat killing people indiscriminately", I hold you in the highest of contempt for that statement: it's wholesale slaughter and war crimes of the highest nature. Yes, there may be some people who are unaware of it but what's the point?
As for me being aware of that may be happening here, all I can say is what rock have you been living under and welcome to the party, pal. You're way behind the curve when it comes to the dangers this country faces in the here and now and I don't need a lecture from some tyro to warn me of what's possible.
And thanks for getting mahgister all worked up.
All the best,
Nonoise
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You are wrong!
Take a look at bill c67 in Canada...It is because of this that Jordan Peterson became known everywhere...he protest against it...
but it’s just another opinion, isn’t it? Everyone’s free to say what they think, aren’t they? Nothing is being forced on you, aside from having to listen.
You are too old my friend!
Reality is tweeter and facebook... people live thereoa great amount of time each day and they take their news there... Why do you think it is so important to limit the power of these corporations?
By the way there is no real competitions now more of a gang complicity...Awake... Three corporations controls almost all products...
All that "canceling" of Rowling is of minor importance and blown all out of proportion to the general population, unless you live on Twitter or some other social medium and think that's reality.
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I got that impression because that is effectively what you wrote. While things are screwed up here, wrt free speech and free thought, no, it has not been screwed up here till somewhat recently. Now we have both sides trying to screw each other. How is that working out?
JK Rowling was not blown out of proportion, nor is the issue with female athletes competing with trans people. This is mainstream news including JK. Do you have any female friends?
There are not some people unaware. There are whole countries of people, 100's of millions of people if not billion+ totally unaware, and should be aware. That is where censorship leads. It is and had always been about control.
Mahgister is an adult and you seem as worked up as him.
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@deludedaudiophile You're arguing for more government regulation and I would need to see what form they would take before I could offer an opinion.
However, what I don't think is acceptable, is that you and an outraged mob, lobby Hobby Lobby's bank, which I consider an essential service, effectively infrastructure, such that the bank feels pressured to drop them as a client
I'm not sure how this could be enforced. Banks are in the business of making money. They're not going to drop a client or refuse service unless the alternative causes them to lose more money than dropping the client. If the government says no you can't drop Hobby Lobby but the banks alternative is going to cost them more. I don't understand how this type of structure would work unless the government basically runs the bank.
100 people have 100% of the capital in a bank.
The bank does business with a company 80 of these people feel goes against their personal beliefs so they threaten to withdraw their money.
Does the bank drop the company or let the 80 people leave and how would the government enforce this?
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How is the alternative going to cost them more? It will right now, but if companies in critical infrastructure cannot drop clients then there would be no downside as you can't drop them, so you can't be blamed for having them as a client.
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The problem is monopolistic corporate power and neo liberalism... Not the question if there is too much or not enough regulations... Money and power dont keep roots in a country...
This is a world wide crisis not only an American empire decline problem ..
Most people look at a tree and are unable to fathom what the forest is it seems...
I dont speak for you djones but for all of us...
You’re arguing for more government regulation and I would need to see what form they would take before I could offer an opinion.
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Interstate commerce has given us a lot of government regulations concerning anti discrimination laws but I'm at a loss as to how the commerce clause can be used to do what you're advocating to prop up free speech without causing a real mess. I and any number of like minded people can come together and try to force businesses to change their behavior. Businesses will decide based on economic reasons what their response will be. I can't see the government taking away my free speech right to speak with my Dollars while allowing business to speak with theirs.
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From a problem about censorship and the origin of civilization and language, and the meaning of science and money, some here will drag the question in the left and right binary small politic Trump/Biden gutter instead of the high road of thinking about a world crisis , i smell it already...
yes i am too pedantic...i know...
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How is the alternative going to cost them more? It will right now, but if companies in critical infrastructure cannot drop clients then there would be no downside as you can't drop them, so you can't be blamed for having them as a client.
The only way this could be enforced is with government banks. Banks would think long and hard before they invest in any company they feel could disenfranchise their existing customers unless you're saying they have to do business with them not just drop them.
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The bank does business with a company 80 of these people feel goes against their personal beliefs so they threaten to withdraw their money.
The problem you discuss is a 18 century problem 19 century one at best...
The problem nowadays is about centralized money control and tracking... There is no more private banks, awake there is only controlled finances... ...There is no more capitalistic competition either... Awake...
There is no more middle class...Even Hollywood exist no more...And there is no more newspapers either...
Why do you think the power in America speak so much about democracy asnd the way to export it?
There is no democracy left even here in Canada...
Awake...
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I dont speak for you djones but for all of us...
I have no idea what you're talking about 99% of the time and I doubt very few here do either. If the American Empire falls the world falls with it. We'll see what replaces it unless we can manage our decline as well as the Roman Empire.
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Are you serious? i understand your point i dont want America to fall i am Canadian our destiny are linked...But awake, the world is unhabited by billions of people who dont give a damn about america...
Borrow a chinese film and indian one or an african one....
If Rambo fail we fail as human species? 😁😊
If the American Empire falls the world falls with it.
if you want a clue about what i was talking about listen to this video it will be a beginning...
By the way thinking is not a hobby it is a necessity....
By the way the problem is not about the decline of america , America is only a smallpart of Occidental christian civilization, it is this civilization who has lost his bearings...
To understand why we must understand the passage from the renaissance to the industrial age...
Study Bernard Mandeville the father of capitalism, of political psychoanalysis, and the most underestimated genius with Goethe in the last centuries...A cynical genius which make Machiavel a naive man and Kissinger a boy scout...
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I am aware there are billions of people who don't give a damn about the American Empire. I never said the species would die out but Empires don't die quietly. They might not give a damn but they will be affected.
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I apologize... You are right i misread you about America...to make my point... 😁😊
i am hot tempered too....
my best to you...
I am aware there are billions of people who don’t give a damn about the American Empire. I never said the species would die out but Empires don’t die quietly. They might not give a damn but they will be affected.
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On topic, if you are into books, this is a very good pertinent one I just finished reading:
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I dont think a hedge fund manager could be a great thinker...He look for new customer perhaps?
I am a bit sceptic here.... And like you said i am "into books"...
I guess he claim that China rise and America decline no?
And his hedge fund is already in China doing business i guess... A bright man who owes his money certainly ONLY to himself indeed...Like Gates...
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But like i said in my post above we must undertstand WHY All the west decline European countries in general decline , not only our little America.... For that the best short book this year is this one under...
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I will recommend this one instead because it is a very short book of 1300 pages:
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@deludedaudiophile ,
You need to change the second half of your handle to something more catholic and all embracing.
All the best,
Nonoise
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@mahgister : Ray Dalio is retired. For several years now. Yes, used to be a hedge fund manager, true, and the largest most successful hedge fund in the world. However, don’t judge the quality of the book by a quick Google of the author, and without reading it.
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You are right for sure...
I pick books by my inutuion and i can be wrong...
I apologize for my sarcasm to you... but this will not change my intuition...
Try my recommendation, anyway you had read Dalio then begin the one i recommend and if you dont think it is a deep book i will refund your money with paypal myself no question ask...
But i will verify if you had read it before the refund...A little exam...
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@mahgister : Ray Dalio is retired. For several years now. Yes, used to be a hedge fund manager, true, and the largest most successful hedge fund in the world. However, don’t judge the quality of the book by a quick Google of the author, and without reading it.
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I probably will. Thank you for the recommendation. So many things to do so little time
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There is always one certainty in life, change happens. The world is undergoing one the largest if not the largest cultural changes in our recorded history. There are a lot of people that are inherently resistant to change and would like for the world to remain in stasis for ever. Like it or not, the internet has provided a voice to everyone around the world. Suddenly everyone's opinion can be communicated 24/7 without filters and that scares many people. Whether you like it or not, this change is too late to stop.
The people most comfortable in their lives (wealth, housing, job, kids) have the most to loose (in their view) and want the world to remain unchanged. It frightens them when people with nothing to loose grab power and start trying to make their lives better (unions, civil rights, equal rights, etc.). If you didn't fight and claw for the power/wealth/status that you have, then you have no idea how or likely even the will to fight to keep it.
The world is large enough to share with everyone.
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The will for change and the focus on what may come from an unmapped territory is not under the same commanding part of the brain than the focus on what is under our nose and what is our map usefulness on our known territory ....
The problem now is that all our map depict a world which is no more and we need to walk in uncharted water...
The new territory is our own uncharted free mind and we are all brothers on the same boat...China Russian or American or European...
it is the reason why we must think about the origin of civilization itself and about the origin of language and music and about the way our brain work...
The video i recommended above and the Book i just recommend just do that...
My past job was to advise students about reading... I am a bit "pedantic" and i apologize but nonoise was right... 😁😊
The world is large enough to share with everyone.
Are you by chance a wise female pygmy shaman feemore12?
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Are you by chance a wise female pygmy shaman feemore12?
That probability does exist somewhere.
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