Dear Atlasiris: The Agon review of the Empire 4000D3 ( btw, this cartridge was designed to run with 100k on impedance load. ) was with the cartridge mounted in the Grace G-945 ( unipivot removable headshell design. ) with the AT MS-8 magnesium headshell, the today 1080LT is mounted in the same Grace tonearm with the magnesium 10grs Nagaoka headshell and the Ortofon M20ESuper was tested too with that Grace tonearm, so that G-945 is the one to go.
Yes, I will following sharing here what are available out there on MM/MI good cartridges. Problem with Nandric ( in the subject ) is that he think that the thread/posts is readed only by six different persons and that everyone knows ( like him. ) exactly what to buy or not. No, I don't take his " advise ".
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Raul,
I suspect Nandric (like myself on occassion!) was really only moaning about the fact that cartridges (that he might have been tracking for some time) go up in price once they are advertised on an Audiogon thread such as this. This can have the effect of elavating the prices and removing these MM/MI gems from the bargain counter which first attracted a lot of us: even though they arguably still remain real value for money when compared to their largely lower performing MC alternatives.
With the current economic dilemma biting, I have no doubt that this makes it impossible for many to then afford, sadly. |
Regards, Raul, Atlasiris: I would be honored if these comments were directed towards myself rather than our in-house scholar Nandric. Atlasiris, I do enjoy a good quote.
Now, this discussion of the 1080LT. Raul it looks like you've changed your impression of the cartridge. Is it primaraily due to an increase in VTA? Break-in? Loading? I've this Empire 8000/XVE (nude .2 x .7 elliptical, fine alu. cantilever). This is all I can discover about the cartridge. Wonderfully resonant bass (the good kind) and smooth mids, desperately seeking hf's. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Peace, |
Dear Raul, I agree with Nandric re your habit of listing here the interesting cartridges you find on eBay. I know you have only the best intentions, but what you are doing is quite likely to raise the cost for any one of us who may want to post a bid. Plus, we lose all the fun of the hunt. We know how to search eBay as well as you. It really does pain me to write this, because I am certain you only want to be helpful. |
Lewm, Isn't practice a better word, habit and has elements of involuntary/subconcious? As we all know, demand raises the price of everything, even old MMs. You may have missed the point that many follow this thread but rarely or never comment so these alerts are meant for more than "six" people. I for one don't go searching on Ebay and the likes of it often and greatly value Raul's notifications. To me, the thrill and fun of the hunt is no match for the pleasure of listening to a nice cart. From what I gather from recent posts and the above one, if this is the logic process and thinking ability of researchers and professors, just makes me wonder what regular folks from your parts are like :D |
Atlasiris, Before Raul get a devine status from you I would quess that he is looking at ebay for himself first. So your economic argument should also apply to his devinity. Ie those carts in which he is interested he will not mention according to your own principle. Then he also has the 'practice' to address us as 'dear friends'. He should , I think, add 'known and unknown' to include all the members which are assumed to be involved. BTW I save much time by not looking anymore to ebay.com. Regards, |
Raul, We six of us don't doubt your intentions however Nandric and Lewm have a point...........your alerts can do nothing more than inflate the prices of MM cartridges which a lot of us have found on EBay by ourselves? Is that your intention? Do you really wish to cause an increase in the prices of these scarce vintage MM cartridges? |
For once I agree with Raul
Keep posting cartridges you find on eBay or whatever that you think are worthwhile.
Perhaps some who read this thread and do not post are equally pissed by guys stockpiling cartridges that they have not yet played. Don't worry Lew, you are not alone myself included :>)
It was only through postings on this thread that I found the technics EPC100 .mk4. Thanks Roy |
Dear Atlasiris, I don't know where you live, but you seem to know where I live. In any case, I assure you that there are very fine people where I live, with scruples and good taste equal to yours. Raul and I have now been acquainted electronically for a couple of years, and I hope he knows that I hold him in high regard, while at the same time I feel free to disagree with him on several issues (not just the eBay issue). Raul can tell you that I have also defended him from some unfair attacks in the context of other threads. I don't know what more I can say to convince you that I am not and would never personally attack Raul here or anywhere else. I was/am just stating my opinion on Raul's practice of listing here his eBay "finds". You are free to disagree with me (and Nandric), as others already have, but please do not attack me personally in the process. In any case, I am sure Raul will continue to do whatever he wants to do, so to save you the trouble of using the eBay search engine.
Dear Shane, I am willing to part with many of the cartridges I have "stockpiled" in my earlier hysteria and gluttony, of which I am now cured. Contact me if interested. |
Hi guys, have been reading on and on about the bickering and also some, in deed, of more general interest? :-) With so much other stuff out on the web and I still keep looking into my favoured audio-thread almost daily. Yes, no BS. Alas due to personal circumstances (quadruple bypass a minor item as it turns out), I had a major mind-reboot. I guess this the main reason I been so *very* quite the last year and a half. Keep it cooking. A pity I don't seem to see any female contributors other then the very odd sporadic one once a while ago. It is a boys-toys affair after all, or? No offence to any girl(s) looking into the thread just as I do. Keep up the good work, now *Axelle* if you please :-)
PS: Yes, still very much alive and kicking |
Hi 'Axelle', Welcome back. An quadruple bypass and still joking. You are an brave 'man' . But changing or bypassing some blood veins does not mean, I hope, sex change? However no problem at all if you prefer to participate further as 'Axelle'.
Regards, |
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Dear friends: IMHO this Nagatron always a welcome quality perfrormer for any one of you:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NAGATRON-350E-Cartridge-Stylus-/110691900140?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c5c05aec#ht_500wt_1156
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear Lewm: I respect your opinion as the Nandric one and as just any other person opinion on Agon but I have several reasons to disagree with you, Nandric, Halcro ( btw, do you really think so? because if you did then you know nothing who I'm: saddly. ) or Dgob in the subject.
Many people out there today are in touch with the MM/MI alternative not only because this thread but because through my " alerts " on cartridges they decided to bought this or that cartridge that with out any other advise maybe they never been aware of that cartridge and its quality.
Any one of you in this thread are important contributors but the " regulars " in this thread are not the " thread " because there are a lot of people ( more a lot more that you can imagine. ) that never post here but that read the thread/posts and several of them are asking where to find a cartridge with nice quality performance and I know this because two facts: first many email me asking for and second many persons email me to tell me they bought this or that cartridge thank's to my alert/advise in the thread.
Price goes up? yes but I can't do nothing about other than follow helping other persons than you.
The MM/MI analog source alternative does not grow-up ( given the opportunity to enjoy something " different ". ) just by " magic " but as any one of you because the people knew through ( between other sources. ) this thread what and where to buy to take and enjoy the MM/MI " touch ". Some of the cartridges you own comes from my " alerts "-
In the other side you have to think that there are people that everyday discover Agon forum. For any one of them 400.00-500.00-1K dollars for the MM/MI cartridges discussed here is a normal price. Yes, for you that was lucky enough to readed the thread when started could think the today price is high but as I said: you was lucky enough and you IMHO could be grateful for all those old cartridge bargains. Even at its today prices are IMHO still a bargain.
What all of you that are " blame " me about seems to me is that you want " to keep the secret in secret between you ". Gentlemans, I discovered this " secret " for me and through the time for some of you, this facts has no return. You and me IMHO are here/Agon to help other people that are looking for that.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear Timeltel: This 1080LT set up is a different one to when I posted at first. I never listened to that 8000.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear Atlasiris: You are a good example ( some one new in the thread. ) of why I will follow posting the cartridge " alerts ". I can't go against facts even that I understand the other people way of thinking.
Even that I write several posts everiday in Agon and that I know I'm on risk because of that I always try to be " consistent " with my way of audio life/think/opinion, I know that sometimes that " consistent " can't be exactly " consistent " because what surrounded this or that specific audio subject but at least I always try to be consistent with my self and this will be that way till I find a better " way of life ".
I really appreciated your contributions, keep doing.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear Raul, I also respect your good intention helping others to find the holy grail at least on MM carts. Maybe it is wise to discuss the good and negative aspects of a cart and also provide some recommendations. But when it comes to operation - meaningly buying a cart on all potential platforms- it is up to the individual and also to his responsiblity. It might be wise - as you do it - to send an e-mail to potential buyers rather than providing a link to e-bay. I have to admit, and I do apologize, I just decided for a vintage MC cart, this time not a MM, a Neumann DST ( white) in pretty good condition, sorry sorry...sumimasen
best & fun only - Thuchan |
Dear Axelwahl: Welcome aboard again!
By coincidence yesterday I asked to a woman on the net:
++++ " Btw, how is that a woman owned a phono cartridge like that one? " ++++
and here her today answer:
+++++ " Hi I live in the USA. There are many women in our country that are audiophiles and record collectors. Sorry that seems so odd to you. " +++++
Why then they decided not participate on audio forums like Agon one?, especially that they have better " ears " ( frequency response range. ) that almost all of us. I think that because they are on every day more creative and productive " work/job/subjects " that we are, IMHO the each day time has different priorities for the womans than for us.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear Raul, I know I am beating a dead horse, but it is one thing to list the cartridges you think are worth auditioning and another thing to cite the eBay auctions. Anyway, I don't really care very much, because my own appetite for vintage MM and MI cartridges is completely sated. I will never wear out all the cartridges I now own, some of them thanks to you. I was just feeling empathetic with the plight of Nandric and some others who are trying now, in some cases with limited funds, to acquire some of the cartridges that have become scarce and expensive, largely because of this thread. Carry on, as I know you will.
To all, A while ago I brought up the question of B&O cartridges. These are all MI types. Raul spoke highly of several of them, including the MMC1, MMC2, and MMC20CL, very early in this thread, maybe in his original long post. However, there has been no mention of any of them in more than a year. I am wondering whether anyone else has acquired a listening experience with any of these, in comparison to some of the others that have recently been under discussion. Back in the day, I thought they were "hi-fi-ish" sounding, but that was in the B&O straight-line tonearm and typically in a B&O showroom using their gear downstream. |
Welcome back Axelle. We have missed your valued contributions and your inimitable and incisive wit. I hope you are back to 'full strength' and that this is a 'new beginning' to your postings?
Cheers Henry |
Once again I am in agreement with Lewm......... this is becoming worrying Lew :-) I also am 'full-up' with about 18 MM cartridges (and have even sold 3 or 4 back into the market) so it really doesn't worry me personally, if the prices now rise? There must be thousands of old MM cartridges 'out there' and we 'aficionados' of this sect are really a minute market in the overall scheme of analogue....let alone audio? So I'm not really concerned about a 'permanent' bounce in the market place. What does concern me is that the 'new' or inexperienced 'silent majority' on this Forum........those that are reading and absorbing but are as yet unable to contribute........may find themselves bidding against like-minded ingenues due to Raul's 'alerts', and consequently end up paying double the realistic value of a 40-50 year old cartridge? I saw this happen with a Nagatron 9600E a few weeks ago (which Raul had publicised) and watched as 2 bidders pushed this cartridge past $360.00! These regularly used to trade for less than $200. I suspect the eventual buyer may have been inexperienced and as a result has paid 'over the market'. Now Raul will say that $360 is still a good price compared to current LOMCs but this cartridge is over 40 years old and is used. Its suspension, cantilever and stylus may all be 'suspect' so it is a 'risk' for the purchaser until he hears it in his system and all proves to be well? If the purchaser decides that he doesn't in fact really like the cartridge, he can usually re-sell on EBay and generally not lose too much on the transaction however on the price paid for this Nagatron, I doubt that the 'market' will return his investment? So who in fact 'wins' from this Raul 'alert'? The wise 'ingenue' will have made a list of all the 'regular' recommendations which come up on this Forum and will himself be scouring EBay on a daily or weekly basis (auctions normally run for 10 days so there is usually plenty of time) and be bidding on a number of cartridges in a reasonable price range to 'dip his toes' into this 'sect'. The facts are that we will all pay less for those cartridges which don't get 'flagged' here, than we will for those that do. And just to question Raul's stated altruism in recommending directly on this Forum........I seriously question whether he has ever publicised a cartridge advertised on EBay prior to HIS bidding on that same cartridge? Now that would be foolish altruism n'est pas? :-) |
Dear Nandric: God, if such there be, would indeed provide me with timely alerts on available MM carts, because s/he is omnibenevolent. Even if it should increase the asking price for any particular person, God, if such there be, wouldn't care, for s/he cares for all equally and not any particular person. In any case, I shouldn't object since, even though I search eBay every day, I'm not omniscient and therefore am ignorant of untold cartridges that would benefit me to possess. Moreover, if S/He, if such there be, should be perusing eBay for self benefit, then who am I to complain since it is, after all, and as atlasiris asserts, “no match for the pleasure of listening to a nice cart.“ Carry on, divinity, carry on. |
Dear Thuchan: ++++ " It might be wise " ++++, maybe I'm not. I email to some persons that I think will appreciate the cartridge quality performance and that they do not read very often this thread.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear Halcro: Seems to me that this time you are talking because you have a " mouth " to do it but with no facts in your hand:
++++ " I saw this happen with a Nagatron 9600E a few weeks ago (which Raul had publicised) and watched as 2 bidders pushed this cartridge past $360.00! These regularly used to trade for less than $200. I suspect the eventual buyer may have been inexperienced and as a result has paid 'over the market'. " +++++
this was that " inexperienced " person you are refering:
++++ I have been making changes to my system for the last few month that are very worthwhile. To keep things consistent I've stuck to one cartridge throughout the changes. My "daily driver" has been the Empire 1000GT which is the non p mount version of the 1080LT which I recently bought as a spare stylus as I like it a lot. I got my 1000GT from a guy in Croatia and I think he has one NOS left. He posted it a few weeks ago and nobody bought it. He has about 8 of the 1080LT. In some ways I prefer it to the 4000D/III. I heard this cartridge was made by Philips, do you know if this is true? BTW, I got that last Nagatron 9600. Regards, " ++++++++
in the other side that Nagatron was not only the top of the line but in the last 15 years the first time that appeared on the net and this one was a NOS one and is a stellar performer that unfortunately only a few persons can enjoy it.
Why so worried about? is it because the subject or because comes from me? because if it is because of me you are IMHO in big brain/mind trouble: I hope not.
Now, maybe what you or any other of the persons that are in agreement could make is after I posted my cartridge " alerts " ( that I will continue to do it, like it or not. ) then you follow with a " warning " post where you states that the same cartridge you bought it three years ago for lower price or that you could find one for them for lower prices. With this attitude I think you will have a calm dream by nights to come.
Btw, I never put an " alert " on cartridges that I don't own or don't know about its quality performance level. I don't recommend what I did not know. First I have to buy that cartridge.
I want to tell you that almost every time a person read the " alert " email me first to know more about that cartridge and its compatibility with his system. Halcro, do you think that people is stupid? well not as much as you think.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear Lewm: You can see here that maybe you not only can recovery what you invest on those B&O cartridge you bought because of me but even take profits if you put on sale:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bang-Olufsen-Cartridge-MMC1-/180671888038?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a10e23aa6#ht_611wt_1139
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bang-Olufsen-Cartridge-MMC2-/180671888605?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a10e23cdd#ht_583wt_1139
btw, these people thinks the cartridges are worth that kind of money.
Halcro, here this fact confirm that what you posted about is absolutely wrong, as I posted you are talking only because you have " mouth " and because you have that right. Please thinked better before post on the same subject.
regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
I am relatively new to this thread. It was too daunting a task for me to read through all those posts - then one day I did a speed read - hit some - missed some - to a point where I thought I could follow along.
Went away for a couple of days and what happens? This thread is approaching 4000 posts and is starting to sound like a day time soap opera.
I have no problem at all with Raul providing alerts. It’s a free world. What this thread is missing I think is a base of current prices for people to compare with.
What does this mean on a cartridge that is 30-40 years old.
Here goes:
I paid $130 us dollars for a sonus blue gold about a month ago. It was I feel really good value.
I paid $300 us for an empire 4000 diii gold a couple of weeks ago. It was I feel a really good value. What does really good value mean to me – compared to a $900 clearaudio virtuoso, a $$$$ xv1 and a $$$ Benz Micro Mc3.
These cartridges are great.
Now lets educate everyone new and old to the thread – what did you pay for your cartridges so we can have an MM base value.
Raul – keep the alerts coming – it’s a free world. If someone wants to pay $600 for an empire 4000 dii gold - good for him or (her) as long as they enjoy it. Who cares. Some people pay $$$$$ for cables. How much have you paid in the last month or two for one of these MM’s. From the “older veterans” I (we) ask you - how does it compare to prices from last year or year previous ?
Whats this thread about anyway ?
Watch what happens to those prices with common knowledge. Use the internet. |
Dear friends: For those of you that are waiting for an opportunity in this great cartridge well here it is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Audio-Texhnica-AT20SS-limited-edition-/250825935385?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a66640a19#ht_500wt_1156
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear Ct0517: +++++ " I paid $130 us dollars for a sonus blue gold about a month ago. " +++++
the same I paid for mine three years ago.
regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear friends: There are days where you can find everything you want:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/audio-technica-AT160ML-G-VM-Cartridge-/200610380795?pt=Turntable_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2eb54f7bfb
http://cgi.ebay.de/AKG-P-25-MD-24-Tonabnehmer-System-Plattenspieler-TOPP-/320703175141?pt=Plattenspielerzubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item4aab6619e5#ht_2035wt_1139
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Chris is right, I believe. Light is good for the marketplace; mystery helps perpetuate less than rational bidding.
In the past 6 months (prices are off the top of my head) I've paid:
Empire 4000diii cartridge body: $20 Empire 4000diii NOS stylus: $79 AT 15sa w/20ss stylus: $280 Signet TK5ea cartridge body: $99 AT 155lc stylus: $180 Azden ym p50vl: $270 Azden ym p20e NOS: $25 Shure ml140he cartridge body: $35 Shure ml140he NOS stylus: $99
Incidentally, all purchases were made as a consequence of reading this thread. I love and loathe it at the same time. |
Dear Ct0517, of course it is a free world and Raul may publish a catalogue of ads while this thread starts becoming an e-bay platform - what a pitty. Was this the intention? i always have the feeling that especially on some vintage items a good and long forgotten product is remarketed by our efforts, reaching high prices and everyone runs for it, e.g. FR-66s, SP10MKII & III, willing to pay high prices. The FR now has passed the 10.000 mark. Maybe we see this happen on some vintage MM too, and maybe some people out there are waiting, the pockets full with cheap MMs and doing the big deals. So what!
It is the free will of everyone to buy overprized if it is really a rare item, but if it is an average performing cheap MM with lots of copies out there the buyer may be ill advised. If the herd is running in the same direction I usually turn around.
Welcome back Axelle - I just met a Russian lady enganged in Audio. Seems there are some exeptions among our man dominated audio world.
best & fun only - Thuchan |
Raul,
"or Dgob in the subject"
You have misunderstood my post. I did not nor did I intend to criticise your practice of notifying people of worthy products. My intention was simply to explain the frustration that I felt Nandric ("like myself 'on occasion'.") was expressing. Indeed, how could I criticise when I have often been led to good products by such alerts!?
I hope that clarifies my position and I do think you are nevertheless to share your opinions and knowledge. |
Dear Banquo 363, I like Raul very much but to write an poem about his 'divinity' never crossed my mind. Besides for some of us the English prose is difficult enough. But despite the pressuposed omnipotence his divinity can only 'alert' for some of the carts which is like a drop in the ocean. For some of us a 'token' from God not to bid on those because we know what will happen with the price. BTW the followers are seldom rewarded while they can only get what the 'divine leader' does not need for himself.
Regards, |
+++ Why then they [women] decided not participate on audio forums like Agon one?, especially that they have better " ears " ( frequency response range. ) than almost all of us. I think because they are on every day more creative and productive " work/job/subjects " than we are, IMHO the each day time has different priorities for the women than for us. +++ Raul, have hit the nail on the head... again. Thank you. Nicely put. Yet still do enjoy what you guys are on about. A lot is over most girl's heads [not all!]. So we read, understand some - and not bother much about the rest, typical, yes? "Toys for boys"? Can only listen to one cart at a time. How many good ones needed in box, 5, 10, 18? Rest is "hunting the mammoth" great fun, um. Glad all having fab time, include some bickering also :-)
Enjoy the MUSIC, Axelle |
I was going to be done with this thread, but Raul, those two B&O cartridges are being sold by the same person. He has a highly inflated opinion of their value, IMO, whether or not they are "good" sounding. He also is carrying a 94.1% eBay approval rating. That sucks. I would not buy from him (and of course I don't have to, because I own an NOS MMC1). I have no thoughts of selling either of my B&Os until I have had a listen for myself. I was asking for the comments of others, but no one has come forth. So I conclude that no one is currently listening to a B&O. Peace. Out. |
Vive la difference!
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Amazingly, turntables are makeing a reapperance and are sometimes to be seen in the most sophisticated of homes. Many are of artistic merit, reflecting the industrial chrome and brass designs of so popular in the midcentury, these are not for the budget conscious. One of particular controversy is from Martha Stewart, the "Halcro". Influenced by a minimalist approach, most find it excessively architectual. It is reputed to deliver good sound, but we all know sound is secondary to taste.
And, a final hint. Gather up a collection of those old MM phono cartridges and scatter them carelessly throughout the room. This is sure to give the area that "lived in" look, and for the romantically inclined, a proven conversation starter and just might provide the opportunity for a pickup. Some say now is the time to buy. Once considered a primitive curiosity, these seem not to be the bargain they once were. Those of the avant-garde give their recommendations freely.
Next issue: Designer cabling, is it worth the cost?
(Sorry, couldn't resist) |
Timtel, +++ Vive la différence! +++ hey.
You're one funny and most enjoyable "dude". And thanks for that "chic" complement, um. Seems you know me better then expected, hallo! Long distance intuition? OK we all know Raul's "the man" no surprises here. Now some of that stuff mentioned like SO catches my fancy! Ouch! Got me just bowled over. Decidedly like SO must haves... Louis Vuitton et al, am drooling. Mild MM/MI sprinkling on floor? Fine by me for those that done enough collecting by now. Why not? Nice to have hip comment in between all those grants and gripes, not sure bickering was the right word? Too girly? Sorry. Thanks for a good laugh and have a lovely day, Axelle
PS: Keep it up (pun intended) might get bit of gender variation on this all male persuit - never say never :-) |
Dear Thuchan: +++++ " but if it is an average performing cheap MM with lots of copies out there the buyer may be ill advised. " +++++
as everyone time to time I could mistaken but normally my alerts are only for very good performers not average ones. I can't recommend an average audio item because I'm against mediocrity.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Next issue: Designer cabling, is it worth the cost? I'm on tenterhooks waiting for this episode! |
Dear Lewm: I see. I even wanted to ask you ( on that post ) which was your first hand experiences with those cartridges but I see you don't enjoy it yet.
In the other side the cartridge seller links was for Halcro could see that is wrong when he said that we can't even recover what we invest on those vintage cartridges and that's not true we almost always can even take profits when we put on sale one of those cartridges.
Btw, Halcro this is another " inexperienced " ( as you named. ) buyer that pay premium price for an alert:
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1304471688&openflup&15&4#15
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Yo, Axel: So very pleased to have you back online, and that your health and humor are preserved.
Now, back to my antique rig, I've found some mint Japaneese New Wave. Surprisingly, Brandenburg Concerto #4, G Major is on one and it sounds wonderful, the Signet TK7LCa absolutely sparkles with the peice. IMHO, on my gear, to my ears, and especially, to my taste. YMMV.
Again, welcome back, and in your honor:
The world's great age begins anew, The golden years return, The earth like a snake renew Her winter weeds outworn: Heaven smiles, and faiths and empires gleam Like wrecks of a dissolving dream. (P. B. Shelley.)
Peace, |
Dear Raul, of course, maybe your recommendations are ok but we should also keep in mind that for three overprized cheap vintage MMs you can get a very nice MC? Don't you think so? oh well, oh well... I may know the answer...
best & fun only - Thuchan |
Dear friends: Always a welcome cartridge, almost a legend:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Grace-F-9E-Extended-Range-4-/320705028258?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item4aab8260a2#ht_500wt_1156
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Stone him! Stone him! Stone him! |
By my calculations, Banquo spent a total of nearly $1100 on his listed acquisitions. So it is really up to him to decide, but there does remain the possibility that Thuchan is correct in this instance, especially if one buys a "used" MC off Audiogon from a reliable colleague. (The answer would of course be different for different ones of us.) |
T-bone – you made me spit up my drink.
Does anyone here realize that when someone has a passion for something – if anyone tells him or her not to do it – they just get stronger and do it more. Hasn’t life taught us that? Sorry timeltel – no quote – I just made this up. Thuchan – I agree the most rare and excellent carts will go to the highest bidder as should be – supply and demand. That’s the way the world works.
There is no need however for a new to MM person on here paying two or three times for the more common good MM ones. A known $$ selling base assures this if he or she is reading here. For MC the $$ base is with the retail stores still selling them. Cheers |
I could of bought one dandy expensive MC with all the money I spent on vintage MM's. But I like using all my MM cartridges, especially the Empire 4000DIII, EDR.9 and my Technics P100C MKIV, P205CMKIII models. Without this thread I would probably only own and use one expensive MC. I have sold off a few of my vintage MM cartridges and sometimes made a profit. I couldn't afford a varity of expensive MC's, not to say there isn't very good ones for reasonable prices, modded Denons for example. |
Dear Ct0517, You are 100% right. The oldest one is: de gustibus non est disputandum. Then there was the prohibition and then no sex before marriage. Those are the most contraproductive rules I know of.
Regards, |
Regards, CT0517: Newton's Third Law. "There was this beautiful woman, she kept beating on my bedroom door. Finally, I got up and let her out".
Bada Boom!
On a roll, reference and a quote in the same paragraph.
Thuchan, my interest is in those UNDERprized cheap carts. Anyone familiar with the AT7V? Comes with a .2 x .7 nude eliptical, 7cu, might be a good match for the mid/heavy eff. mass arms & looks like a good candidate for a stylus upgrade, ATN440ml, 150e, 155lc, etc. for the lighter TA's.
Peace, |
Nikola
my parents were two generations older than me - i remember the no sex one clearly - maybe thats how I ended up with fraternal twins :( |