Regards, Nandric: Alas, I've been struggling with J. J.'s "Ulysses" for several decades. Wrestling with Hegel makes better sense.
"Jones" walked by the good 'ol boys seated in front of the hardware store. "Well, he said, "my wife is going to have another baby, the farm is failing, I can't feed another. I swore if I got her pregnant again, I'd hang myself".
Fifteen minutes later, he returned, the length of new rope coiled and in hand.
"Thought you were going to hang yourself", the G. O. B.'s said.
"Threw the rope over a limb, climbed on the stump beneath it, put the loop over my head, and then, just as I was about to jump, I thought:
"But, what if I'm about to hang an innocent man?"
The three carts mentioned above, IMHO, are excellent in the areas mentioned. And others, too, but particularlly in these. IMO. A cart sharing much of each of these qualities while establishing a very believable performance in it's own right is somewhat overdue. Simply put, AT got this one right.
Nandric, as a jurist, would you pass sentence before hearing the accused? When you do, I think you'll find it largely guilty of Henry's charges.
Peace, |
And: Regards, Travbrow: The carts you mentioned all sport $200+ styli, the ATN150ML is what, $275?. This is the area I think the AT7V could stand improvement in and we all know the cost of replacement styli compared to a new cartridge. I'm not thrilled with the relatively low complance of the stylus, but as a .2 x .7 nude diamond on a very nice tapered alu. cantilever it still achieves a respectable performance. Even on my antique gear, with the 155lca stylus resolution and detail are immediately improved while still maintaining that hint of Signet ebulence. If Henry prefers the ellitical, I know why, it really is that good.
From it's construction, intending both physical and electrical properties, there is no reason why the cartridge engine/body shouldn't be among the best Signet or it's parent company AT offer. Is there any reason the 7V should not be welcomed as a good cartridge at a very reasonable cost? Especially as there is a myriad of styli upgrade possibilities. If AT offered the same cart as the AT7MLxa SuperFine with a gold-plated boron cantilever and a microline stylus for, um, let's see, $399 U. S., would it be so hard to accept? Really, no apologies need be made because it's attractively priced.
No intent or need to argue, I understand what you're saying. I was reluctant to try the 7V. Googled it, couldn't find a single negative. Wrote Henry, Henry wrote back, a happy camper. I trust his ears, still do. Tried the 7V, pleased now that I did. Several others have indicated a willingness to also try one, eventually a consensus will develop. Check back later, this could be interesting.
'Nuff said.
Peace, |
Timeltel: I have seen a source that carries a 155LC stylus but not 155LCa as you noted above. Is there a great difference between the two styli as far as you know?
Thanks very much, |
Regards, Montepilot: You have found me in error. ATN155LC is correct. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. By the usual Pfansteil code, that would be 208-DEX. A photo is available at TurnTableNeedles. No association.
Peace, |
Halcro, thanks for the AT-7V info. I have checked in every now and then looking for info on real world available cartridges. Ones that you can buy now and get replacement stylus for anytime in the future.
Believe it or not there are those of us who do not have the time to search for multitudes of various old used cartridges and stylus, and are just looking for a good cartridge or two, so we can enjoy an LP or two every now and then. I certainly appreciate all the research on the older carts, especially for those of us who do not have the overall knowledge / equipment to make some of these comparisons. There are really few reviews on cartridges anymore.
I have wondered about the AT-7V for awhile, as it looks quite a bit like my AT140LC body, but assumed it was just to cheap to be any good. So your comments were welcomed ! I assumed I had to have some fancy stylus profile to be any good.
Along this same line, I have been waiting to here more on more current available products. While we know the Nagaoka are a good choice, what about some others. Goldring has 2 lines of MM, the Grado woods MI, of course the current AT440(stylus fits the 140LC cart I guess), and of course the current AT150. Both of these current AT's seem to get tagged as bright sounding quite often. Lastly the Ortofon 2M series and even the OM series discontinued but there are still quite a few options available. Missing any ?
Lastly any idea if the AT-7v will work on an arm of about 9.5 to 9 gram effective mass ?
Thanks for all the hard work,
Wayne |
Nandric/Banquo363/Timeltel,
Hegel is difficult (although the link through Kant is instructive in comprehension). It has been decades since I studied him but comprehension seems to be enhanced through contextualising his phenomenogical speculation through the Phenomenology of Spirit. A lovely novel that simply cannot be dismissed, IMO. |
Clarification,
I did not mean to divert this thread any further from its original path with my brief response on Hegel. It just seems to me that the issues raised have a direct parallel to the issue about cartridges.
To argue that something - Hegel - is difficult is one (acceptable) thing. However, to consequently suggest that difficulty means that we should or could not gain great truth from that thing - Hegel - is another (unacceptable) thing.
Similarly, to argue that evaluating the quality of a cartridge or other piece of hifi is difficult (as we all more or less accept) is not sufficient grounds for the increasingly presented argument that the search for such truth or value should be dismissed. |
Dear Halcro, Only 4 days ago I was searching twice on ebay.
com for the AT 7 V. This means twice 162 pages. I needed some help from my native drink Sliwowitz (plum brandy) to
endure the search. So when Chris mentioned LPgear to me I
really felt stupid. But meanwhile this cart is everywhere:
ebay.uk for 149 GBP, ebay.de for 159 Euro. I had no idea
that your influence is so huge and worldwide. And then the
savings. Ie I am enjoying this cart already while I expect
to receive the AT 7 V in 10 days from now. Remarcable. You
deserve a whole bottle of Sliwowitz and I intend to keep one for you when you visite Europe.
Banquo, 2000 pages of Hegel and you are still among us? You
have no idea how much comfort I got from your confession.
'In the other side', as Raul is used to say, I know very
well that malicious enjoyment is one of the worst human
characteristics. However I don't really care; such is my
hate of Hegel.
Regards, |
Wayne, I appreciate your comments but it was really the Professor himself who alerted me to the AT7V.
Timeltel has inspired me to search for all the vintage Signets and it is he who has done all the hard work.......and very thoroughly I might add.
With all of Raul's EBay 'alerts' for increasingly rarer vintage cartridges, I was thrilled to find that Timeltel's discovery of a current model Signet-based cartridge ticked all the right boxes.
I also suspected that there were a number of readers, like yourself Wayne, who simply had not the time or means to search and bid on the various internet sites but were eager to try an affordable MM cartridge which could compete with the 'legends' of the past?
In my experience, I have found surprisingly, that there are only a few 'mismatches' between arm and cartridge despite the theory to the contrary. So my advice is to assume the best and try it. I think you will likely be pleased?
Good luck.
Henry |
Dear Nandric,
I look forward to the Sliwowitz. You realize of course that the Poles claim credit for this invention? :^) |
Nandric,
I wonder if a more non-critical form of criticism (see Hegel's letter to Niethammer, 17 Sept 1806) of his short-comings might not be better placed than
"Such is my hate of Hegel?"
In the light of Rene Descartes' assertion that:
"It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works. All good things are difficult to achieve; and bad things are very easy to get" |
Clarification,
I would not claim Agon the same import as Jena nor Raul that of Napoleon! Still, parallels arise for greater minds than mine. |
Dear Dgob, You remind me of this medical student by his
exam. His Professor asked for the cure for some rare disease. The student: 'I am sure I know the answer but I am so nervous. I need just two minute to concentrate.'
The professor after 10 minutes:'What a pity, what a pity.
You are the first person in the human history with some answer and you forget it.'
We in Holland have some guy who claims to be able to read
pen labia minora as well as pen labia majora. He obviously extended his knowledge of lipreading.
Regards, |
Dear Halcro, My intention was to invite you to Holland with
free accomodation + 3 meals a day. But you ruin my intention by your claim that Poland invented Sliwowitz. While we in Serbia regard Polish people like Slavic brothers we will not dawdle to start a war about the truth
of the origin of this best brandy in the world. The Polish
can only produce some brand of Sliwowitz when they import
the right plums from Serbia. Lew ,our Slavic brother, will
never make such an insulting statement despite the fact that he is also from Polish origine. So if you refuse to apology the bottle mentioned will go to Lew.
Regards, |
Regards, Thuchan: The TK3ea should be a welcome addition to any collection, esp. with two NOS styli. Enjoy!
If I may, a semi-allegorical addendum to your observations on wireing. Several years ago, having become aware of the comparative qualities of litz wire, an assortment of headshell leads were obtained. Cardas, silver, copper and silver plated. The silver plated because it was hoped they would offer the performance of the silver but at a more reasonable cost. This is due, I suspect, to an element of Scots DNA in the family tree. Some of my ancestors likely obtained their horses, cattle and sheep for free.
The silver is very nice, esp. for clarity in the hf's. The Cardas was very much liked. When hearing the plated, it seemed cartridge alignment had been subtly disturbed when the leads were instaled, the plating increased their rigidity. Prefering to tweek rather than rely exclusively on 'tractors, the struggle ensued. There were times when the thought was to seek solace in Dgob's "Phenomenology of Spirit" but inebriation does not facilitate such a task. The cart was a Grace F9-L, line contact stylus, sometimes difficult to align but much more so to replace. The Scots were cautioning, be done before ruination results, but there were the others, one a murmuring English alchemist: "It's signal phasing, me boy. The silver and copper are struggling for mastery, such is easily observed by we who have been enlightened by the mysteries revealed by inhaling mercury vapors".
Two observations, entirely subjectivist in nature: If it hasn't been described, it dosn't exist. And, sometimes we must rely on the descriptions of others in order to expand our own understanding. We must know what to listen for.
Raul, best of luck with your "universal" listening criteria, I'm watching with interest. Joni Mitchel, "Court and Spark"--first track, side two. "Car on a Hill". Female voice, piano, can be difficult tracing. Well mastered and the music might be enjoyed by many?
Peace, |
Nandric,
When charm accompanies wit... I do try to understand you and will continue to do so.
Such are the things of memory |
Dear Halcro: In regard to the AT 7V you said you preferred it above your Zyx Universe. Since you own the Phantom tonearm I am sure you likely have listened to this combination in your system. HP reviewed the Phantom/Atmos combination in TAS a few issues back. I have pasted his review below. Would you say that your experience with the AT 7V resembles his desription of the Phantom/Atmos combination? Even if it is close or in the ballpark this is an incredible bargain when you compare the prices of each.
Kind Regards,
The ZYX Omega
The first thing, and I mean first in the sense of immediate, you’ll notice about this cartridge is how very different it sounds from all the other cartridges on the market (and in this survey). It has to be carefully installed in the pickup arm (and that means it has to be just so). Then you’ll hear how precisely rendered are any of the sounds it decodes; this it does with a purity and low distortion that elude everyone else’s designs, and that means virtually all of the competition.
In a way, it eludes even the cartridge I’d rather live with over the long run, particularly in “purity.” It has the widest soundstage of all the cartridges we evaluated, and, thus, the very best separation figures (and even makes sonic “sense” of that wide separation). And because of its crazy-glue-like way of sticking to a groove, it has the lowest audible distortion, thus the purity and the sense of sparkle aplenty. In fact, it is so smooth that you find yourself wanting to play it louder. And that you will. [Though we didn’t include Dusty’s rendition of “The Look of Love” in the last run of tests, we did listen to hear what happened and maybe to appreciate just how delicate some of her vocal shadings are (call out the goosebumps), so beautifully rendered was her voice here.]
So what are we missing? For one thing, an extended sense of front-to-back depth on the soundstage—stretching the sound wide has foreshortened three-dimensional space. The perspective is up close, thus the sense of aliveness. Needless to say, the depth—the placement of instruments on its reproduced stage—is quite specific and focused. Reproduction of the Weaver’s voices is well nigh impeccable, as is the transient pop of their acoustic instruments, sometimes subdued by some of the other cartridges.
And things sure do sound alive with the ZYX. So what is it about this high-tech design that I just can’t wrap my ears around (even as I well know it will be the cartridge of choice for the high-resolution folks)? Could it behind there is a soullessness behind all this “perfection”? Is there such a thing as “purer than life” (in art that is, certainly not politics)?
(End of review) |
Dear Dgob, My advice is to read the correspondence between
Frege and Wittgenstein about the so called 'idealistic German philosophy' to which Hegel belongs (see Google: G. Frege). I hope you will get the picture.
Regards, |
Nandric,
You do seem keen on reducing things (be it to categories or assumptions): as is undoubtedly your right! That remains the point of our correspondence. |
Nandric,
I have said that I do not think this thread is a suitable place but I must be wrong.
By way of conclusion, I have not aimed to claim status but simply tried to suggest a way into understanding Hegel's logic following your statements. He also acknowledged the difficulties of comprehending said logic - this also made explicit in his ongoing correspondence with Niethammer: "For as you know, it is easier to be unintelligible in a sublime way than intelligible in a down-to-earth way." (8 July 1807).
I therefore suggested the Phenomenology of Spirit as a way into his Science of Logic, which was intended for young gymnasium students. That was the approach that I undertook in my postgraduate studies in trying to make sense of his Science of Logic. The links and comprehension offered through this approach seem enhanced by the notes from his relevant lectures that are now available as the 'Encycopedia of the Philosophical Sciences in Outline and Critical Writings'(1990). An approach that can be extended across his Science(s) of Religion/History and Rights. Maybe a glorious failure in acknowledging the grounds of its own failure.
Burning straw men (Wittginstein's not having read Hegel etc) rarely helps and if we must leave past failures, we need to review that terrain critically or seem destined to tread those same swamps that we'd swear we had left.
I am not a philosopher but a simple man with interests. More I cannot claim. |
I did not mean to divert this thread any further from its original path with my brief response on Hegel. It just seems to me that the issues raised have a direct parallel to the issue about cartridges.
To argue that something - Hegel - is difficult is one (acceptable) thing. However, to consequently suggest that difficulty means that we should or could not gain great truth from that thing - Hegel - is another (unacceptable) thing.
Similarly, to argue that evaluating the quality of a cartridge or other piece of hifi is difficult (as we all more or less accept) is not sufficient grounds for the increasingly presented argument that the search for such truth or value should be dismissed. I draw a different parallel with carts. In this thread somewhere above I described my disappointing experience with the Empire 4000diii. I tried and tried to make it work for me, but to no avail. I gave up because life is short and there are many other MM carts to try and have fun with and learn from. I don't conclude that therefore no one should or could find heaven with that cart--Chris appears to have found a bit of just that with it. More power to him. Nor did my difficulty achieving success with it deter me from trying to find heaven with other carts. It would strike most of us as unreasonable, non?, to insist that I keep banging on with the Empire (try a different tonearm!, different vta!, etc..) until I find it satisfactory and illuminating. Why should I when there's an AT 7v in my future? Mutatis mutandis, if a man spends a considerable amount of his free time trying to understand Hegel, then his failure to gain anything from it is not necessarily his fault. Perhaps the author is just impenetrable; perhaps the man didn't try hard enough. Is it reasonable though to tell the man to spend even more time trying to figure out which is correct? Perhaps, but probably not, given that life is short and there is so much Frege to read. That's not to say Hegel is worthless--but it is a fact that he was so to that man. And given that, it could even justify his animosity towards said author. On a different note, Dgob: I see from your system profile that you use analysis plus silver cables. I'm considering the interconnects if only I could find them at, as you put it, 'unbelievably low prices'. I assume you mean 'relatively speaking' low prices compared to other ridiculously priced cables. Where did you get yours? |
Dear Dgob, My point was merely that there is no absolute truth or value to a phono cartridge, or as Santayanna wrote, history teaches us that history teaches us nothing. (This is completely irrelevant, but I love it.) I should think that any great philosophe has more to offer than does a phono cartridge and therefore is more worth the effort required to reach a common understanding. |
Dear Nandric,
Only 3 meals a day!?
I have a friend (also of Polish lineage), whose chief claim to fame was discovering a meal that slotted seamlessly between breakfast and brunch :^)
You realise also, that the Poles claim the Russians stole vodka from them?........vodka, as you know, being the Polish word for 'water' which possibly explains the demeanor of their citizens?
Cheers |
Regards, Banquo363: Bravo! Relativism remains an open question. If there are no subjective criteria of evaluation, nothing distinguishes a Shakespeare play from a comic strip. The equalizing of all hierarchies might be viewed as the end of all culture and lamented as a failure to reach beyond individual particularities.
There are works of such signifigance the many will find it good, but only the sophisticate will know why. As there is yet to be one cartridge identified that all can agree upon as just right in all aspects, we should be pleased to identify those possesing commendable qualities while committing the fewest recognized errors and find pleasure in sharing that knowledge. Or of gear, or sometimes philosophies. Of persons, Donald Rumsfeld is an always acceptable but not neccessarialy agreeable subject.
Peace, |
Banquo363,
The Analysis Plus Silver sound as neutral as any cable I have tried. It does not emphasise the midranges (as many generations of the Siltech cables I tried did) nor produce the same sound as the Kubala Sosna Emotions did at astronomical prices. I know many question the value of square wave reproduction but the scientific claims of APS do seem to stand up in practise. My statements about their cost was in different times: they could easily be found second hand for less that we pay for our MM/MI cartridges (and the economic downturn had not hit me as it now has). Raul also assisted me in getting some cheap sets of them and online searches (say Used Cables for example) furnished the rest.
On Hegel and relativism, I would not seek to impose anything... but for those who are searching anyway I felt that he stands far more scrutiny than is often imposed through various reductive caricatures of his thinking. Granted, regarding relativist approaches, he did (for better and worse) seek universal groundings and oppose intellectual, cultural and political anarchy - while placing subjectivism at the heart of his thinking. |
Dear Halcro, I am really, really sorry. This must be the
influnce of the Dutch who are considered (like the Germans)
to be very 'modest'(aka stingy). My own father would never
forgive me such an lack of hospitality of which the Serbians are so proud. You can get as many meals as you like under proviso that you make your own breakfast. I need
my 'beauty sleep'.
I assume that you was confused reg. Sliwowitz and Wodka. I
was teached at the age of 14 that Polish Wodka is the best.
Despite the fact that Russian are considered to be our 'old
friends' and Polish 'old enemy'. There is however something
strange in the relationship between those 'Slavic brothers'. There is no way to predict if they will embrace or kill each other.
With Slavic regards, |
Lewm,
I respect your views. However, we do rank cartridges and (Timeltel) that poses problems for any relativism that does not seek grounding: such grounding seeming to pose the traditional challenges of truth/value (at an obvious remove - historically - from retreating into either side of some subjective/objective dichotomy). Maybe as difficult as Hegel's speculative proposition. I don't know but I try to keep an open mind to the explorations of other, more qualified researchers. |
Dear Timeltel
Per your last post I pulled my Court and Spark lp and enjoyed last night. Regarding the “Raised on Robbery” track – of note any money wagered on the "Maple Leafs" hockey team that Joni references, ever since this lp came out - would still have got you not one stinkin’ dime. The sport is a religion here. Her reference to the “Empire” hotel was also kind of funny considering.
Dear Nikola
When an uncle of mine came to Canada from the Balkans he brought me a 1 litre clear corked bottle with something in it – I still have half of it – this is not plum brandy – it cant be - if you could call water fire - this is it. I remember it being called Rakia. I think it comes closer to the Prepecenica definition.
Anyway
If you are sipping this stuff while listening to music and perusing Ebay its no wonder you have bought so many MM cartridges. :^)
Cheers Chris |
Dear Chris, You are only pretending to be 'innocent' of any knowledge regarding the kinds of Balkan brandys. Is there in Canada some kind of prohibition? While you deed forget your native language your Balkan vocabulary regarding those brandys is suspiciously rich. Wel the 'true Sliwowitz' is made from blue plums which grow only in Serbia. That is why the Polish need to import them
before they can produce any.'Rakija' is made from any fruit that is available while 'prepecenica' is any kind which is twice distiled (aka >40%). As is the case with other things the more labour and time is spend in the production, the better the 'stuff' is.
Regards, |
Regards, Dgob: A concern that's been debated for millenium. Absolutes exist but perfection remains a concept. Consequently there is a scale of evaluation, for validity it should be based on classic values and grounded in knowledge and experience.
In Aristotle's view the "good" is opposed to Protagoras' subjective relativism, according to which good and evil is defined by whatever human beings happened to desire. The ideal can be viewed as objective and independent of human wishes. However, the ideal is in a way relative to the individual, that is, to one's natural end. Relating this to the pursuit of excellence, in spite of it's current popularity, the charms of "Rap" (music?) elude me, no matter how closely it obtains to the "ideal" expression of the form. Aristotle says that's ok.
Your post (and perspective), as always, is appreciated. Do I remember a failed EPC-100C cart, a MK4? Progress?
Peace, |
Dear friends: Just great,
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bang-Olufsen-MMC1-Cartridge-Excellent-Condition-/290575122507?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a7a0804b#ht_542wt_1139
Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul. |
Dear friends: What's goes on? whre this comes from? why? what could justify it against quality performance level?.
Why are we seating here seen this?:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Ortofon-LH-10000-Limited-Edition-Headshell-/200618135918?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb5c5d16e#ht_3509wt_905
there are other headshells for 600.00-800.00 and 900.00, so right now is starting a " trend " on this subject.
why some one is trying to" punish " us with? what do you think about?
Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul. |
Dear Banquo363: +++++ " Empire 4000diii. I tried and tried to make it work for me, but to no avail. I gave up because life is short and there are many other MM carts to try and have fun with and learn from. " +++++
yes, life is to short. This kind of experience already happened to me with some cartridges and due that I have to " go on " I just left them for a " better time " but I normally don't gave up like you, only if my best efforts are not enough for.
Btw, you posted on the Empire subject:
+++++ " Worst of all, it could be I had a 'fake' stylus (even though I bought it as genuine NOS). It looks exactly like the others that are judged authentic, but evidently Empire had some unscrupulous practices in their day, so who knows. This last reason is why I'm not keen on replacing the stylus even though there's a shop in the Netherlands that purports to carry the 'cross my heart, hope to die' authentic stylus. " +++++
certainly you did not change that stylus, that stylus source till today is one I recommend: I bought 3-4 stylus replacements ( original ) with out any single " reserve ".
In the other side, in the Montepilot Reed tonearm review I posted:
++++ " I own two sample stylus too and in my case I found out ( remember that the Empire cartridges are a 30+ years old design: not a " fresh " one. ) that are differences on quality performance in between, small ones but differences you can discern. I don't know if you already try your both samples but you can try and see what happen.
Other subject is that many of these MM/MI cartridges came a little loose in between the cartridge and the stylus plastic body, well I improve the cartridge quality performance when I glued the stylus plastic body to the cartridge it self in a way that there is almost no movement in between when on playback. " +++++
so, through my 4000D3 experiences there exist differences even with " true " original two stylus in between.
Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul. |
Timeltel,
Thanks for asking, there might be news on the Technics Mk4 and (fingers crossed) I'll get back if things move in a positive direction.
I do miss it so |
Raul,
That's the insanity of the market in a nutshell, IMO. |
Dear Timetel,
you are right there are many oberservations possible on copper litz as well as on silver litz. I' m also using copper litz but in very special applications: I soldered the A 90 cart into the EMT J shell by using very fine and just 15 mm long copper litz. The silver and the copper camps are still fighting (wonderful picture you "painted") which is nonse.
You may go for good (!) copper or for good (!) silver and you will have in both cases extraordinary results. But you have to secure that your
tonearm litz is of adequate quality. This most people forget and they don't care. They run their arms - even the expensive ones - with cheap ( 1,50 Dollar the meter) and inadequate copper litz of some manufacturers. Maybe they will never know what brilliant sound their tonearm might be
able to transport.
What I am saying is, when you have achieved selecting a good tonearm wiring and a good phono cable why not keeping an eye on the headshell's quality as well as on the connectors?
Yes the TK3E is an exceptional cart!!!
best and fun only -Thuchan |
Halcro / Timeltel, on the AT-7V, do you consider the stylus profile at all ? This being an elliptical and all the rage is the varied versions of line contact etc... ? You are not concerned about the lesser stylus ? Just curious on your thoughts.
Thanks,
Wayne |
Dear Thuchan, There is a very strong suggestion entailed in
the expressions 'cheap' versus 'expensive' (wire).
Herewith a real story . When Virgo II from Joachim Gerhard got A class recomendation by Sterophile some American audiophile was not fully convinced and wanted to 'see' for
him self. So he inspected the inside of the speaker and, probable, announced: Heureka! He discovered 'cheap wire' in there. He then bought some expensive wire and claimed 'fantastic results'. Some other audiophile, who was obviously more cautious, decided to investigate the issue first and asked Joachim himself , avoiding the rude expression 'cheap': ''Why deed you use 'those' wire?''
Joachim's answer: 'Well we compared some 20 kinds of wire and thought, after 2 years of experimenting, that those were the best.'
German regards, |
Dear Raul,
regarding the Ortofon headshell 10000 the only thing to get an opinion is buying it, testing it and return with a final judgement. Maybe we then get a clue if it is worth the heavy price or if it is just nonsense investing so much money just in a headshell
best & fun only - Thuchan |
Addendum, The story I told caused by association some other. That is probable how our brain works. I was invited by an acquaitance for a poker game at his home and was very
suprised with his reaction when I told him that I was not familiar with this game. He said: 'excellent , just what we need.'
I assumne that the producers of those 'expensive wire' reason in a similar way.
Regards, |
Dear Nandric,
I have heard the story of JG on other brands and models as well. At every time a manufacturer is "caught in the act" that his price tag may be not totally in congruence with the material built in he comes with such an explanation. Should he say: Dear customer, we used the cheapest material we got, when we finished building the unit we thought this is a good piece, wonderful, it is even one level higher than we used to position it, let`s think about a nice price tag. No, manufacturers don`t do that...
best & fun in Serbia... |
Dear Nandric,
you told us only half of the story, so what happened when you played poker with those guys. In what condition did you leave the house...
best & win only - Thuchan |
Wayne,
I will let the Professor speak for himself.
With cartridges, I personally don't care what shape the stylus is if it does the job?
I've had spherical styli ( particularly on MMs) which have sounded sublime.
I've also had Shibata and Line Contacts which haven't floated my boat.
I'm happy to admit that I couldn't tell you in a 'blind' listening test, what shape the stylus is?
I think perhaps the Professor could?
For myself, it's the bottom line that counts and I've certainly learnt over the past 5 years, that 'dogma' in audio, is generally untenable. |
Dear Thuchan, The Virgo II was the first $5000 speaker to get A class recommendation from Sterophile. One can't cheat
Fremer and Atkinson at the same time. But I was even more impressed by Gerhards Calderas and bought them for my son.
I am familiar with some German HI-FI Magazines for years.
So I noticed that Germans are not able to rightly value
German products. No wonder then that H. Pearson 'discovered' ASR Emitter II and the Basis Exclusive while I owned both 10 years before. The same apply for many
other German products and among them Audio Physic designs
by Gerhard. I am, I think, a more 'patriotic German' then you are.
Regarding the poker game. I got some 'introduction' to this game for 5 minute and lost 500 Euro. But as some kind
of 'compensation' I was friendly invited for the next day.
Regards, |
Regards, Waynefia: Too early to say with certainty. A minature .2 x .7 elliptical on micromass cantilever offered really solid bass, the kind that impacts the solar plexus. Good bass, as in the controlled kind. Visceral, I think they call it. Soundstage was very good, perhaps 5th row seating? Hf's may not be to everyone's preference with the minature ellipt., they seemed slightly brittle, as do (to my ears) most of the "minature" styli. YMMV. Keep in mind, gear is all SS, ancient but maintained every two years to spec. It will not do a cart any "favors".
The nude .3 x .7 ellipt. (tapered but not micro-mass cantilever. comp. to AT120e) sounded distant, as though seated in the "heavens". The insturments stayed in place but localized between and in front of the speakers, fairly good in height but lacking in both depth and width. With an ATN140lc, I suspect a dropout in the midrange is due to a controlled/damped cantilever resonance, all indications are the 7V is 650 Ohm output imped. (again, the Japaneese language), the 140LC cart is a bright 3200 Ohm (VE database). FYI, all loading has been 50k & shunted cap. 100pF, EPA-250 TA wiring & cableing factory spec'ed at 62pF, 12gm eff. mass.
Five styli in a week, any opinion is a premature opinion so remember you asked. The OEM stylus is, as is, good to go. A .2 x .7 mini ellipt/micromass cant. is also good (comparable to a Signet TK5ea stylus, TurnTableNeedles, $110.00, no association). The one I auditioned is a NOS Signet AM 20 stylus, aprox. 10 hrs. use. Much more responsive than the .3 x .7 "distant" ellipt., definition/layering is also much better. The ATN140lc, someone else may find differently but on my example the mids-upper mids tend to drop out. The AT 440MLa stylus, when tried, I hope does well. The 7v needs more time with the 155LC stylus. The six hours I've given the N155LC on the cart isn't enough to say much more than "Oh that's nice!".
A note: Henry observed the OEM stylus on the cart is louder. For what it's worth, the vu meters on a tape recorder indicate a 2db increase. Examination of the cartridge shows the magnets are closer to the front coil pole peices than those at the rear, other styli are more equally spaced in this area. Considering the 2gm VTF+/- and higher inertial forces (warped lp, etc.) the cartridge might encounter on some of the more massy arms, in this case and with the equiped stylus, this seems a benefit, not a fault.
Peace, |
Dear Dgob, My advice to you was to read the correspondence
between Frege and Wittgenstein about the 'idealistic' (aka psychologic or subjective) approach of science. You deed not read this correspondence but only assumed that this must be about Wittgenstein. This however is not the case.
Frege was fighting against psychologist approach in logic
and science his whole life. To explain the issue he proposed a division in 3 worlds: 1. the physical world 2 the world of our minds or our psychology and 3 the world
of our knowledge.
As soon as anybody publish some theory this theory become
'public ownership'. Ie each individual is in principle able to read and contemplete about the statements of the theory.
The 'subjective' approach imply that each of us will have
his own mathematics, physics, biology, etc. Ie there is no way that we can establish identity relation between two
individual brains. In some sence the statement made and published by a individual are no more part of his brain.
All the teachers are supposed to transfer some (part) of knowledge to the next generation. What are thy transfering to the next generation according to your Hegelian approach? Frege was a phylosopher (of science), the logician who invented the modern logic and a mathematician who produced the fundation of mathematics (see Booles correction of the so called paradox). While Frege thought
about science and mathematics in the 'spirit' of Kant he never mentioned Hegel in his whole work. Very strange if you know that Hegel produced 600 pages about the 'Science of logic'.
Regards, |
Dear Nandric, Lewm and friends: Like the Dertonarm first great opportunity almost all of you diminish it again or at least don't think could help you or just you think you are " done ".
I'm not entilted to this Dertonarm idea because is a hard work especially for me.
+++++ " LP's which each of us should own as a 'common reference' in our
discussion about MM carts. This to me looks like an fantastic idea and I also assume that each of us can afford
those 5 LP's so the most members can participate................................................
we all can check and listen to the same piece and
hopefully will grasp what the other member means with his statement. Anyway we will then listen to the same music. " +++++
this Nandric is only one of the targets on the whole process. There are other interesting subjects/targets like: to be certain/aware not only how good a cartridge track but understand the differences on different cartridge traking distortion levels ( not with test tones but with real LP music. ) and how we perceive it: today many of you can't know for sure the " content " of distortion you are hearing due to cartridge traking distortion due that the stylus lose minute contact with the LP track grooves.
Today many of you can't identify how a cartridge microphony affect its quality performance level and how that microphony is percieved by our ears.
These are only two examples of what we can attain when we are " inside " a precise and simple listening test process.
In my case the overall process is designed to look for ( mainly in a very precise way. ) what we are loosing with " that " audio item under test ( errors included ) and what I'm listening with that audio item. The process is not oriented to " what I like it or not " but for what is happening or not looking for lower distortions.
I know that all of you have its own process but as Dertonarm thinked and I agree a Common one is IMHO what we need.
Yes, almost always we are " safe " of scrutiny through our today subjective process attitude: " Its wrong but I like it " " It's distorted but I like it ".
Certainly that for people of that " caliber " that process is out of question.
The process is for the persons that think they know where are seated but that they want to confirm it.
IMHO and due to my self on purpose training I know for sure where I seated and this fact permit me to know several times where some of you are seated and why you posted what you posted.
Anyway, thank's to read these posts, fun hast to go on!!!!
regards and enjoy the music,
Raul. |
I forgot. Maybe I'm wrong but seems to me that some of you are not " prepared " to take action/first step on that subject in a similar way that people in this Analog forum were not prepared when years ago: I posted that DD TTs like the SP-10s or DP80s can beats top BD TTs or when I posted of the necessity of two subwoofers on true stereo fashion or when I posted on the signal SUTs degradation or when I talked about the tonearm/cartridge " unity ( when no one talkes about before. ) or when I posted about the critical importance of the phono stages ( when no one talked about ) when I posted on DD naked fashion TTs or even when I started this thread on MM/MI source alternative.
As always everything is about " time ". Today many persons on Agon ( some of you in this thread. ) already took ( years after. ) some of my posted audio alternatives and I know they are really happy with!!!
So, that time will comes with out doubt.
Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul. |
Dear Raul, Think of this learning proces as a teacher. You
will need of course some programme and can develope what ever you think is necessary. I don't agree with Lew about
his assumption about the 'cultural bias'. I do believe that
anything can be teached and I am very interested in his
explanation of ,say, Miles Davis 'Kind of Blue'. I know that he is the right person to do this because he is a jazz
singer and an admirer of Davis. From my own experience I know that a good teacher is 'priceless'. In the same way I
think about other kind of music. One can learn from others about a new or different insight in, say, some composition
of Mozart , Mahler or whowever. I am an old man but still
eager to learn.
Regards, |
Dear nandric: ++++ " I was friendly invited for the next day. " +++
of course they did it!$!$!$!
regards and enjoy the music,
Raul. |
