Dear Grifftithds and all: The refresh was about suspension and tunning someway ??? that suspension. We have to remember that manipulating a cartridge suspension we can change the cartridge performance and that two same cartridges can sound a little different with that manipulation at the cartridge suspension.
In the case of my Sonus D5 and LPM 315 the works were full: cantilever/stylus and suspension update.
About the Clearaudio Virtuoso Wood I think all of us already discuss in deep about and even that CA choose AT they made " something " other than the cartridge body to fulfil a hig performance level that even ( after SS or Axel " touch ". ) the Maestro can't achieve.
I agree, CA loosed the " train " here because that cartridge could be even better that what we are listening.
We have to remember too that with , normally, top cartridges the designers/manufacturers made a fine tunning/voicing work that is what in many ways makes the difference and the CA is IMHO no exception about or they were lucky enough if they did not that voicing.
I have no doubt that a cantilever/stylus/suspension up date beats almost any original vintage cartridge even the Nandric post.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Raul, I am alas not able to understand your latest statement. Fleib should correct me if I am wrong but my assumption is that Axel by changing the cantilever needs to (re)adjust the suspension (?). Anyway he must check the suspension. Looking to my both cantilevers my quess is that because the boron cantiliever is so thin the nude line diamond was not possible to fit. On my aluminum cantilever one can clearly see the 'stone' as well what 'pressure fitting' is. No glue of any kind can be seen with my (50x) microscop. What I mean is that the line diamond looks bigger then the boron cantilever.BTW Axel can't provide micro ridge styli. Not to my knowledge that is but I got from him a list with all kinds of styli he can provide.
Griffithds, the first time I heard about 'pressure fitted styli' in aluminum cantilevers was from Carr's contribution in this thread. In his wording this was the advantage of aluminum in comparison with the 'exotic' cantilevers which need (some) glue to be fitted. So there is no direct contact between the stylus and the cantilever because the glue is inbetween, so to speak. I was so impressed with his argument that I ordered the aluminum cantilever with nude line diamond. Otherwise I would certainly choose some of the 'exotics'. To me this combo looks very impressive mainly because one can see the diamond in all its 'glory'.
Regards, |
Dear friends: A change on CA topic.
From yesterday I'm listening to my AKG P8E for the first time in years. What can I say?, nothing but: WHAT KIND OF CARTRIDGE THIS AKG IS, just wonderful performer by any standards.
Yes, this could be for any one the " new kid on the block ", better that what I remember and very nice " surprise ": great cartridge with a beautiful nude elliptical stylus that rides very low that I was a little under stress thinking that the bottom cartridge plate could hit the LP but no no problem at all and only a high quality sound level that I'm enjoying hour after hour and LP after the other.
This cartridge is not hard to find out and at fair price. My advise?: go for it, go and hunt it as soon is possible. You will not dissapointed with. Pleasedon't ask, AKG way better that our Signets and more in the 320 Acutexs and CA.
My sample is in mint condition and in original shape, as I said: wonderful!
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Hi Raul,
Is that the standard AKG P8E or a variant in the line? Also, do you plan a review of it?
Cheers |
Dear Raul&Dgob, The AKG P -8ES was produced in 1977 as the top of the line ( 300 DM). Then come the P-8 ES super nova and P-8ES super nova Van den Hul. While the AKG styli were special in the sense of reduced mass Van den Hul styli become then 'modern' or 'something new' so one was able to show off:'my has the Van den Hul stylus'. According to Andreoli a worthless and 'dangerous' stylus. I assume that this was the Gyger I which was very difficult to produce (see my post about Gyger). The P 8 series was replaced by P 25 MD (25,35 cu), P 15 MD,etc. The problem of all those AKG carts was the hardening of the suspension as function of time and light. Only those which were kept in 'the dark' survived. AKG was aware of this problem and destroyed the whole stock of carts and styli to avoid possible legal liability. While all of them were innovative and special the obvious problem is to get an functional stylus. No wonder the styli are more expensive then the carts without or disfunctional stylus. BTW the suspension is/was as no other. A thin metal plate with a small hole in which the stylus and the rubber ring are fitted. I agree with Raul's quality valuation of the brand in general and the P 8ES in particular but need to warn the 'innocent' for the lack of styli. It took me 2 years to get a good stylus for my P-8ES Super Nova. Ie the search for a good specimen may become an exercize in frustration.
Regards, |
Hi Raul and Nandric,
Your comments on the AKG P8 come at an interesting time. I have just ordered a (good as new), AKG P8E Super Nova VDH from one of our favorite retippers, Axel. He has them listed at 199 euro including the vat tax. For those of us not living in Europe, I calculate the non Vat Tax price to be $216. For a rebuilt with new VDH stylus and suspension, seem like a bargin to me! Nandric. You list 3 P8's. 1)The P8ES, 2)The P8ES super nova and 3)The P8ES super nova VDH. Of the 3, Would the VDH be concidered at the top of the pecking order? Raul had mentioned earlier in this forum that the AKG P8's were rather confusing because their being so many variations. I could not agree with him more! Regards, Don |
Dear Dgob: As Nandric posted and my self a weeks ago the line AKG models P8 could be a little confusing because there are some P8 that not only differ on stylus but on cartridge body shape too.
I'm talking about the original P8E that as Nandric posted was an earlier model than the P25MDs. Now, this latest AKG models almost all suffer of that suspension problem but the P8E through my experiences with thee samples did not.
I will try to make a review, the cartridge deserve it and there will be a picture. Problem is that I need time to do it.
Even that my advise is to hear this vintage gem: another one! that I'm discovering.
Now, if I remember at least one of my P25s works perfect and what I remember is very good but I need to test it to be more precise.
What is clear to me is that all these AKG are really good performers and I know that the persons that own it are very satisfied with. We have to remember that the AKG top of the line ever P100LE is something special and " eats " in a different table. Whom already experienced the AKG playback quality performance level knows that almost all around cartridge are only " toys " against it. You can read the Agon review about.
Btw, any of you can find the P8E almost easily through ebay germany site and time to time on USA site.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
I own a P8E and a P8E Super Nova vdH. I must listen to them one of these days. Cannot tear myself away from the 320. Too lazy to mount a new cartridge, might be another way of putting it. I can easily see that they are both "low riders" as Raul suggests.
OK. Earlier last week, I placed a low bid on a Grace 714 (wood) tonearm, on eBay. I regretted having done so, because I really do not need it. Today, I won the darn thing for my low offer. I fully expected to be outbid at the last minute, but no such luck. One thing that interests me about the Grace 714 is the degree to which it resembles the new Durand Telos, in terms of construction, albeit Telos uses exotic hardwood instead of teak and is 12-inches vs 9.5. Any suggestions re the 714? It's mint and complete with box and all accessories, still in the bags. Maybe it's a good match for my Grace Ruby cartridge. |
Hi Raul and Nandric,
The AKG P8's might be the new gold mine find. It appears that Axel has not only the P8's but also the P25's and the P15's. His web site states all have (in his words),with renewal of the implementation of the needle. He also states the cartridges are "good as new". No need to spend countless hours searching various e/bay sites trying to find one of these! The P15 appears to be the most current AKG. Is their anyone on this forum who has knowledge about how this one would perform when compared to the P8? Being the latest model does not necessarily mean better! The Acutex LPM 420 comes to mind! Curious minds want to know! Regards, Don |
Hi Lewm,
++++"I regretted having done so, because I really do not need it. Today, I won the darn thing for my low offer. I fully expected to be outbid at the last minute, but no such luck."++++ I had to chuckle when I read this. Been there, done that! We must suffer from the same illness! Regards, Don |
Dear Lew, Your 'argument' like 'the price was such it was impossible to resist' is worn out by the repitable use, so to speak. Your 'low offer' for the Grace arm is probable a way of speaking because I observed this item. You won for the simple reason that your bid was the highest. We all know, I assume, how ebay works. Regarding your AKG's. There is also the model P 8E but this is not the same as P 8 ES as far as I know . Anyway I never heard about 8E Van den Hul. You shoud recheck your nomeclature. I hope for you that both styli are ok.
Dear Griffithds, I understand your euphoria reg. Axels AKG carts but he also need to buy them like the B&O carts on the German ebay. His cheapest cantilever/stylus combo is 99 Euro. I am sure that he will not provide 'my' pressure fitted nude line diamond in a tapered aluminum cantilever for the price you mentioned. So you probable got a less specimen than the original which is provided with a special cantilever as well with a special stylus. I sold my P 8ES for about $100 on ebay.com. To me it makes no sense to pay > $200 for the retip under such conditions. With all those carts that we accumulated during Rauls MM thread we need, I should think, some exit strategy for the probable resell chances. To own a 'jewel' of an MM cart is one thing but to own a cart that you don't like and are not able to resell is one other.
Regards,
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Sorry. Should have written "P8ES" instead of P8E in all instances. Dear Nikola, You can be certain that I know why I won the auction in question. I think the fact that no one else bid on the Grace 714 may be an indication of waning fascination for vintage tonearms. I say this, because I have seen prices on other vintage tonearms going lower, as well.
But I would be interested to learn whether anyone else here has had experience with the 714, especially with a Grace cartridge. I know Raul uses a different model, all-metal, Grace tonearm and seems to like it. |
Raul you and i may not be on the same page when it comes to whats needed in our systems to have the best sound.
I am most definitely on the same page with you when it comes to your recommendations. I have not been disappointed yet and picked up a P8E on ebay this morning. Seems like original owner but he stated a lot of hours i feel good about it though as i made him a offer that he took.
Might be time for me and Axel to get down to business.
Thanks for the suggestion and im sure another winner. Mike |
Hi Nadric,
Am I understanding you correctly? The "> $200 for the retip" is what your "pressure fitted nude line diamond in a tapered aluminum cantilever" would cost? If this is true, then someone bought your AKG for less than $100 could wind up with a mighty fine cartridge for under $300. May not have been worth it to you, but sounds like a good deal to me. The old saying, ones mans junk is another mans treasure seem to aply here. Regards, Don |
Dear Griffithds, I watch the German ebay nearly every day. In comparison with ebay. com it is like Eldorado for the MM carts. The intesresting AKG's (8E,8ES and 25 MD)are usually listed as defective or with broken stylus. The prices are not constant but, say, about 50 Euro. I have seldom seen styli for the mentioned versions. No wonder that Axel discovered this fact also and try to make his buseness of it. He even post his ad. at this ebay. But he obviously never thought about the possibility to produce and sell styli for those carts. I have no idea if he can produce the plastic holder for the stylus which is btw pretty complex. But to put the stylus with the rubber ring in the existing 'holder' looks to me very simple. Now I of course listed my 8ES on ebay.com with $100 start price and sold the cart to some Russian guy and was astonished with the postage cost to the Russian Federation. 'Zone 3' or something by which Russia is treated like Nord Korea. Well my 'deduction' or 'induction' is that if Raul had wrote about 8ES then I would certainly get at least $250.
Regards, |
Lewm, a friend had a Grace 714 many years ago. Used a Garrot P77 with some success. The arm is not particularly rigid and gives a warm soft mellifluous presentation. I would not use a MC with it. |
Nandric would ask you to parse the phrase "not particularly rigid". But I won't. One of my curiosities about this arm is based on ownership of a Reed tonearm and auditioning of a Talea tonearm. The two have a certain something in common, which you might call a coloration but which I call a kind of euphonic hyper-clarity. (I challenge you to parse THAT one!) So I am wondering whether this is something to do with wood. Based on the thickness and shape of the 714 arm wand, I expect a well preserved 714 to be as rigid as either of the two others I mentioned. But the engineering is otherwise quite different and not as SOTA, obviously. The coloration you perceived might more be due to inadequate stabilization of the unipivot bearing than to possible flexing. |
Dear Griffithds: My take is that the P25 was on top of the P15 and yes the P25 is very good too.
On my P100LE review I posted:
++++ " AKG was and is commited to quality and nothing but quality. " +++++
till today every sample in good shape from AKG performs at very high quality level where other vintage cartridges only can " dream " it. These AKGs IMHO are not very good looking " girls " but very good performers.
The P8 --VdH is a P25 with VdH stylus and is a different model thatn the older P8E that I'm reporting. I own it but I can't remember if it is working or not, latter with more time I will try it.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Hi Raul,
++++"The P8 --VdH is a P25 with VdH stylus"++++
Your above quote kind of caught my by susprise! Why was it not called the P25 VdH? As you have stated previously, this is a rather confusing cartridge brand as far as nomenclature! BTW. Their are no ugly "girls", just some are better looking than others! Regards, Don |
Hi Raul,
Thanks for responding and I will get around to giving my P8E another run out: it's been a long time since it graced my decks and maybe it can impress more this time around.
As always |
Dear Lew, No idea what'parse' means but I can try to 'parse' the phrase 'not particulary rigid' . However I need to state first that the mentioned phrase is never used by me in any of my contributions. The so called 'substitution' in logical sense seems to be possible only between indenticals. So, probable, some other 'me' insulted your new 'object of desire'. I intended to write about this tonearm to comfort you. This arm was in high regard in Holland 30 years ago (?) so I bought one and was very suprised that such a 'simple' design and what is more without any anti-skate provision can sound so good. The expression 'rigid' in connection with tonearms I learned 15 years latter. I sold this arm because I was not satisfied with the 'headshell', the lack of anti-skate and also because there was some other new tonearm in the 'town'. If I am correct back then there were only two wooden arms. Pritchard (?) was the other. In this not writen post I inetended to mention your assumptions about wooden armwands. There are so many at present that one is allowed to think that there is somthing special about wood. I am sure you will enjoy your new tonearm but you may wonder as I deed how such a 'simple construction' can sound so good.
Regards, |
Dear Raul, I have the German description of the 25, etc series of AKG . You are right: the 25 was/is the top of this series line. One can choose between 25cu and 35 cu styli for the 25 which may be confusing also, as you put it. The P 100 LE I have seen on the German ebay just once and was convinced that the seller made a typo: 2000 Euro. To me the styli for 8 ES and 25 series look identical so I assume that both series have problems with the suspension. Otherwise AKG would destroy only a part of their stock. There is however the mk II version of 25 with smaller 'magnet legs' (1mm) so styli meant for 8ES and 25 original model will not fit on those. Regarding the confusion. I bought 4 AKG styli which were useless for my 8ES (Super nova). So my inicial 'love' for this brand transformed in 'hate' and frustration. By way of speaking only I would not accept any AKG (except the 100) as a present.
Regards, |
Dear Griffithds, Your interpretation of what Raul has stated is wrong. There is no such a thing as 25 with Van den Hul stylus. Raul probable meant that 25 and 8 ES share the same construction while only the model 8ES has also the Van den Hul stylus (option). Those 8ES have the inscription Van den Hul. I need to add that 8E is a different animal than 8ES. They look different and have different styli. As I already mentioned there are two 25 MD versions. The mk II has different stylus holder construction ( smaller 'magnetic legs') so those styli are not interchangable. This of course also apply for 8E versus 8ES. My earlier confusion about the AKG styli should be of some benefit for those who intend to buy any of those. I have no idea about 8E while I own the stylus for this one. So because of my limited experience I can only recommend 8ES and both 25 MD (mk II + the first one). With my precaution reg. the styli that is.
Regards, |
Dear Griffithds/Nandric: That AKG nomenclature is a " pain in the ass ". I can't understand the reasons behind that other that maybe the cartridges goes to different world's places.
+++++ " The P 100 LE I have seen on the German ebay just once and was convinced that the seller made a typo: 2000 Euro. " +++++
No, that was not a typo. As I said in the P100-LE review: nothing can touch it and if you or any one see it in the future just buy it with out questions.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
NIkola, "Parse" means in this case to deconstruct the phrase and consider how its elements contribute to meaning. You do this frequently and well. If "not particularly" is to have a meaning, we need to have a sense for what is "particularly rigid", for a tonearm, that is. No sexual connotation is intended. Also, I think you imputed to me a position I do not take; I would not say I am a devotee of wood tonearms; I am just now interested in them.
My very good friend and near neighbor is a highly skilled machinist who has very sophisticated equipment in his home. He has helped me in the past to make various items for my turntables. (What actually happens is that it is so much fun for him to muck around with his toys that he shoves me out of the way and does the job for me.) I am thinking about an anti-skate device for the Grace and also a very sturdy base such that the VTA adjustment can be made if not "on the fly", at least easier than the archaic method used in the Grace.
There is another very interesting "sleeper" wooden tonearm currently made in the Northwestern part of the US, in the state of Washington from whence the Durand tonearms also originate. This is the "Pete Riggle wood tonearm". It is beautifully handmade, novel, and not crazy expensive. |
Hi Nandric and Raul,
I very much appriciate all the imput in regard to the AKG cartridges. I do want to experience a working AKG so I settled on Axels reworked version. I have concidered buying the stylus that is listed on the William Thakker site (as a backup), but thanks to you Nandric, I now realize that it is for, and will only work on the 8E, not the one I bought, the 8ES. It would have been money wasted. Thank you Nandric! Raul, if you do get around to reviewing the VdH version P8ES, please make mention its differences when compared to its big brother, the P100. I would like to know just how much farther up the ladder the P100 climbed! Regards, Don |
Dear Lew, Your explanation of 'parse' is like reading Frege. Ie his 'compositionality priciple'. A sentence is an composition so to anylise a sentence one need to decompose it. But as I stated before I never made the 'incriminating' statement. It was Dover, my second ego so to speak. So he and not I should be blamed. I am a lawyer you know. I also never 'inputed' to you any 'position' reg. wooden tonearms but I noticed your remarks about them. My quess was very 'innocent' in this context: 'there must be something special with the woods.' This is an hypothetical statement I would think. Regarding your intention with ther arm. It may be the case that the simplicity can explain the function. Adding up extra's may copromise the function. I have the same unconfortable feeling with this Aro thing. Probable because of the LP 12 ,'composed' from the II WW stock which the English still own. We all know the phrase 'the looks may be deceptive' but by some programmed 'analogy' drive in us we cant't ignore the beauty. You should know such things better then we. The small amigdale versus the big frontal lobe. A:'you merried a hokker?' B:'yes but a very good looking one'.
Regards, |
Lewm, - Grace 714 - I should have been clearer on "not particularly rigid". In the sample I've seen and set up there was a lack of rigidity around the headshell area.
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Dear " AKG " 's friends: These kind og AKGs likes capacitance and the sound/performance is a high difference, more " sensitive " that other vintage cartridges.
As usually I'm loaded at 100kohms along 350pf added and all I can say is that is nothing less than spectacular. My first take with was with 100 pfs.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
I have to agree with Raul. My AKG LE after refresh from VDH is the best of all my Cartridges. This include about some 20 TOTL mm and few mc. If you see one for sale, grab it. |
Dear friends: This is the P8E I'm talking about and the one I'm listening now:
http://www.vinylengine.com/library/akg/p8.shtml
E and ES are compatible in between.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Hello Raul you said your p8e is stock without any refresh is that correct. Thanks Mike |
There are bigger concerns than talking about this senseless garbage. The censorship is getting out of hand, and as a result discussions are becoming more and more distorted. Think about it. Whoreallycaresaboutfuckingcartridges? |
Dear Raul, Vinyl engine is not the right place for the info about AKG carts. As is obvious 'P 8' is not specific in the sense of reference because it is too 'general'. I have no idea how you can deduce from 'P8' anything regarding P 8ES and P 8E. With 'compatiple inbetween' you are actually stating that the styli are interchangable. This however is not true. I already try to explain this confusion. I own the original AKG stylus for the P 8E and I would wish that this one is 'compatible' with my P 8ES. I bought the stylus 'X8E' with insrciption 'stylus for P8E'with the wrong assumption that it will fit in my 8 ES. I hope that our members who intend to search for the 8ES will not make the same mistake as I deed. The right surce for the info about AKG carts is AKG's own 'cataloque' which is in German.
Regards, |
Dear Inna, Glad to see you in this thread. Instead of 'senseless garbage' you could use 'less important issue'. Speakig about 'wild Americans' more in particular about some 'anarchist'. You are probable of Bakunin kind? We already participate in Raul's revolution (our Emilio Zapatta) and we love it. What is your 'party programme'? Whom should we kill? We nearly killed all MC carts.
Regards, |
Dear Nandric: I don't take VE as a reference but as informative. As always my reference is a fact and fact is that my ES stylus fit the 8E cartridge body.
Now, here is what you can read in the P8 manual, this I post here textual:
" COMPLETE STYLUS INTERCHANGEABILITY
Interchangeability of AKG stylus assemblies by the user present numerous advantages. For example, a less expensive stylus may be temporaly used in a more expensive cartridge body as a suitable alternative when playing favorite but worn records. Conversely, a more expensive stylus may be fitted to an economy type cartridge body to increase the performance characteristics............ "
As I said normally I like to " work " with facts. I almost never post something I did not experienced by my self. Maybe your german is not perfect at all.
Anyway, that is the fact about.
Btw, I have on hand the cartridge measures chart ( that came in the cartridge box. ) where I can see that both channels runs flat from 20hz to 20khz and separation is on 30db-32db all the frequency range but between 12khz to 20khz where is around 20dbs.
This cartridge has an elliptical stylus 0.0002x0.0007 and some one in this thread posted that prefers .0003x.0007 even that is a one down step ( I think was Fleib or Timeltel, I can't remember for sure. ). My experiences not only with this AKG but with other cartridges are just great against other .0003 ones. I think that implementation is what defines this subject and at least in this sample the .0002x.0007 works really fine. I don't have many hours with my P8 but I really have not compliants yet, no I know is not perfect but I need to listen it a few more time to be sure about.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Stltrains: Yes, on stock condition and mint one. My advise is that before you send your sample to re-tip try it with the original stylus that you can get from William Thakker and even if you send it to re-tip this NOS stylus could be your spare part: you can't lose.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Cashcamp: Lucky you are an AKG 100LE owner. I know that AKG builded less than 100 samples of this model and again: nothing can touch it but my LOMC reference where is hard to choose about.
Cashcamp, congratulations.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Hi Raul and Cashcamp,
Well, you two certainly belong to a very limited group of owners. You are both quite fortunate!
Raul, +++"my ES stylus fit the 8E cartridge body"+++
IIRC, you have the AKG P8 family. Can I assume from your above quote that it not only fit but it also works? Do you also have a P8ES body? If so, does the P8E stylus fit and work in the P8ES body? I'm thinking perhaps it's only back compadable (new to old), not the other way around (old to new). I can not think of any other cartridge brand whos models are more confusing! |
Hello Raul from the picture of the auction mine appears to be the early version. I should have it next week and verify then if it is buy the S version stylus from thacker. The euro is way down for now a good time for buying european.
You must know i will be on the hunt for a 100le ah the fun of MM collecting and enjoying gotta love it. Mike |
Regards, Raul: Just about to post the same. Have the P8E cart, the X8S stylus is a perfect fit. Lost my data but IIRC AKG had recommended the P8 ES for only the highest quality of gear in order to extract the cart's potential. Possibly our multi-lingual Nikola could elaborate? It's been a while since last listening to the cart but from what I remember the X8S stylus is capable of extracting minute detail and nuance, harpsichord, double reeded instruments and bowed strings were portrayed well but was somewhat polite for the tasteless "classic" rock some of us persist in listening to. The X8E stylus offered a slightly more robust presentation, the difference heard in the more refined presentation of hfs with the X8S compared to the added presence of the X8E.
Output for the P8E is given as 4.0mV., the P8 ES as 3.75mV. Measuring from the termination of the iron slug at one end of the cantilever to stylus, the X8E cantilever is a (nom.) 1mm longer than the X8S cantilever, 8.7mm vs. 7.7mm. If definition and layering are priorities the X8S might be preferred. IMHO, antique rig & etc.
Your information comes from the small scroll-like "Stylus data and info. sheet" that comes with the OEM stylus replacement package?
Peace, |
Dear Raul, I am very sorry but I learned to distrust the so called 'authorities'. You may question my German but you can ask Thucham , Dertonarm and Syntax first to check your assumption. They are Germans you know and probable better equiped to judge my German. Do I need to repeat again that I own the 8E stylus which does not fit the8ES model? BTW the 8E repro styli are available but 8 ES are not. They also look different and the plastic stylus holder is different. Interchanchability should work both sides I would think. BTW those who want to check for them self can see the 8E on the German ebay for them self. Your 'explanation' of the vinyl engine info is very strange: 'not as reference but as informative'. You know misinformation is also 'informative'. My point was how P 8 can 'inform' anyone about 8ES and 8E. You see those postfix markers are supposed to mean something which is not entailed in P 8 without any postfix.
Regards, |
Timetel dont know how much classic rock you may have had the pleasure to enjoy and listen to. Classic rock is the music that has just about every instrument invented by man used and recorded. BTW at a time when analog was the king of musical playback and recording.
For someone who comes off as a smart man your crude remark leaves me and countless other music lovers no mater what kind lost and dismayed. Nothing worse than a music snob. Peace love and rock and roll Mike |
Hello Stltrains, Timeltel was poking fun at himself and HIS favorite music. Some twist in language and humor are hard to understand on the Internet. |
Regards, Stltrains: Whoa there, partner. I listen to rock 90% of the time. Van Morrison, Michelle Shocked, Santana, "Slow Hand" Clapton, J. J. Cale, and Joni Mitchell are particular favorites.The rest is jazz, blues and anything Bach, Pachelbel, Corelli, Vivaldi, Telemann, Mark Knofler or Mozart wrote. Don't dismiss Diana Washington, Count Basie or Shirley Horn either.
Wagner? A wag once said "He has his moments. Hours too".
Can I suggest two chill pills and call in the morning?
PEACE! |
Dear Timeltel: No, my information came from the AKG original manual that came in cartridge box. All my samples are original direct from AKG.
There I can read that one reason for a tiny difference on tip mass between the P8e and the ES is due to that the ES cantilever has thinner wall. I don't try yet the ES.
Btw, maybe is time that you give a " new "listening to your AKGs.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Nandric: I don't care about your respetable german friends and I don't care about your german either ( if it is perfect good and if not good too. ). What I care is what I post or say.
As AKG is so confusing maybe your samples are confusing too and/or AKG samples are not all the same.
But the main subject is that the P8E is a winner. After this fact we will have to deal with all those AKG mix up.
I remember that we have something like this with the Ortofon 20Super where there were different metal color cartridge bodies and something , that I can't remember, about the stylus too.
VE is informative whatever is inform it.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Regards, Raul: A quick post & then it's Super Bowl time.
Time indeed, the AKG is at my elbow now. I've a loose ADC 6.5gm headshell with unknown leads and it's been too long since the AKG has had any exercise. What HS are you using? It seems you're getting outstanding results.
Peace, |
Dear Timeltel: My own build material headshell ( same propietary material as our tonearm. ) in the AT tonearm.
Yes, I'm experienced a great and nice surprise with my AKG P8E mint sample. It is the first time I heard it.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear nandric: I think does not exist the P8 but P8Es. In my original AKG cartridge box you can read: P8E and curious because in the manual front you can read no model description but: AKG TS System.
Well, this is AKG: no surprise here.
R. |