I thought I would let everyone on this thread know that I picked up a pair of Jade 3s and am very pleased with them. At some point I will audition the Harbeth P3ESRs, but the Jade 3s are just fine for now. Thanks very much for all the comments and advice.
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I'm relatively new here. Am in the process of upgrading a 2-channel stereo that is currently: Wharfedale Jade standmounters, Cambridge CXA-81, SVS sub, Bluesound Node2i streamer, Graham Slee phonostage, refurbished Dual 1228 with NOS Shure V15-III/Jico hyper-elliptical, various Pangea cables.
I like the "british sound" having around the house both Mission and Celestion speakers. Nothing too bass-heavy or overly bright. I think musical, rich, warm, detailed but not fatiguing. Type of music I listen to: Argentine tango (Go-tan Project), Van Morrison, Sinatra, Ellington, Pink Martini, Chicago blues. When in the mood I love the Rolling Stones.
The room is small, 15x13. I am currently building some tube traps and acoustic panels. WAF necessitates standmounters.
Budget is $1500, tops. New, I would probably stay with Wharfdale. Lintons, perhaps, but the reviews of the Evo 4.2 are uniformly good. My real question for this forum, though, is on the used market because I am unlikely to be able to audition most of what is offered for sale. There are a number of interesting options in my price range just looking at Audiogon and USAudioMart. For example: KEF LS50 and R3, ProAc Response 1sc, Spendor SP 2/2 and 3/5, Tannoy HDP/315/8, Revel Performa M.20. Then there are the non-british brands that might fit the bill like Sonus Faber Concertino/Electa/Venere/Luito/Minima. Yikes. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
I like the "british sound" having around the house both Mission and Celestion speakers. Nothing too bass-heavy or overly bright. I think musical, rich, warm, detailed but not fatiguing. Type of music I listen to: Argentine tango (Go-tan Project), Van Morrison, Sinatra, Ellington, Pink Martini, Chicago blues. When in the mood I love the Rolling Stones.
The room is small, 15x13. I am currently building some tube traps and acoustic panels. WAF necessitates standmounters.
Budget is $1500, tops. New, I would probably stay with Wharfdale. Lintons, perhaps, but the reviews of the Evo 4.2 are uniformly good. My real question for this forum, though, is on the used market because I am unlikely to be able to audition most of what is offered for sale. There are a number of interesting options in my price range just looking at Audiogon and USAudioMart. For example: KEF LS50 and R3, ProAc Response 1sc, Spendor SP 2/2 and 3/5, Tannoy HDP/315/8, Revel Performa M.20. Then there are the non-british brands that might fit the bill like Sonus Faber Concertino/Electa/Venere/Luito/Minima. Yikes. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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I've noticed a trend to front and/or base ported speakers since the powers that be started marketing the daylights out of home theater. Price differences in speakers often comes down to bass output and SPL because to get both without audible distortion costs real $$$. If you could pm me details about your chicago connection, I could throw a bit of work his way. Good luck, enjoy. Steve |
Ah, I was wondering. I have old Harmon Kardon Signature Series solid state pre and power amps that I swapped out for the new Cambridge CXA -81. I considered tube amps and hybrids, like a Rogue Sphinx, a Schiit set-up, or a Schiit pre and a Van Alstine power. Heck, I even seriously thought about buying old Scott, Fischer or HK gear as I have an excellent guy in Chicago who reliably restores old gear. Well, I kind of wimped out and took the safe route with the CXA-81 based on reviews. Too many options. I will move my Jade 1s further out today and see what happens. Thanks again. |
One funny thing, even if a speaker is not rear ported, often times they perform best when given more space from the rear wall. Try giving them a little more room, like 24" to 36" and you may find that sound improves further. That much room may not be practical either in terms of your room or WAF but it will clarify the issue completely. If that is the issue and you can't have them that far from the wall, then you can rule out Jade 3s Also, the Jades are a very warm speaker in my experience. If you want more warmth, I am not sure that Harbeth or Spendor will be warmer. You may find that an amp change is going to be more practical and/or effective. |
I originally had the speakers only about 6" from the front wall. I moved them out so that the back of the speaker is now 14" from the wall. Distance from the side walls is 40" to the tweeter. Also turned down the gain on the sub (although the frequency cutoff is only set around 40hz). That all helped. I have acoustic panels on order to put on the walls directly behind the speakers (wife approved!), and am making the tube traps for the corners nearest the speakers. Guessing this will all go a long way toward taming any remaining muddiness. Assuming I've got the acoustics in reasonable shape, that still leaves the question of speakers: if I like the sound of the Jades then moving from 1s to 3s is perfectly reasonable. But if I want more "warmth" then the small Spendors and eventually the Harbeths is the route. I realize that I really need to hear these speakers so buying the 3/5s to audition them is an option. Then I'd know which sound I prefer in my own room with my existing gear. Worst case is I put the 3/5s back on the market and buy the Jade 3s. Thanks for helping me think this through. |
Verdantaudio - A very perceptive question. I have the Jade 1. What sent me down this rabbit hole is muddieness in the 200-400 HZ range, mainly with piano jazz. The issue is probably room acoustics, thus the acoustic panels and tube traps. But it also got me thinking about speakers. I like the Jade speakers very much (assuming the bass issue is the room, not the speakers). The best I can say is that, as much as I like them, I suspect there is more to be had. So, a simple low-risk solution would be to just find some Jade 3s. I am chagrined to say I didn't think about that until I read your post. Thanks. |
I have wharfdales in my theatre, I can't recall the model they were about your range and I run acoustic zen adagios there is no comparison honestly (they are like 4500 5k new) .If you go used I highly recommend you investigate Acoustic zen ,adagios are usually a little more used but there stand mount monitors and eventually a couple subs would blow you away imho |
So....I spent some time listening to the Jades and I am curious what the issue is. The Jade 1s were maybe a little lean, but the Jade 3s were amazing. I found them warm for my taste but with brighter amplification, they are brilliant. A lot of the speakers you are looking at are not necessarily going to be better than what you have. They will be different. Different might be better, but I would need to understand your challenges with the Jades before making a recco. That is a VERY good speaker that punches above its weight. I would not say that the Kef LS50 is inherently better. It is just different and in some ways (bass response) it is worse. |
I find it very interesting to figure out at each step what the weakest link is in my stereo, and then assess the options for addressing it. I have to say that I started using the Bluesound DAC, then got a Pangea coax to bypass it and rely on the Cambridge CXA's DAC. That was a major improvement. I don't doubt that there are a range of better DACs available. My guess was that room bass control was first priority, then speakers to take better advantage of the rest of my system, but your comment has given me pause to reconsider. Food for thought. Thanks. |
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I don’t think I have ever seen the P3ESR going for less than $1500. But the Spendor 3/5 should be in the $600 range. I have bought and sold many of these speakers! |
I don’t think you would go wrong with the Spendor 3/5, I have owned many of the versions of that speaker. You should add the Harbeth P3ESR to your list of contenders in that category of British monitors. If you can find a pair within your budget you should jump on them! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqFIaiPT_kY |