Tweaks That plug in to speakers and ? Why they work
I have listened to the synergistic loudspeaker filters and fond a slight improvement then at our audio get together these much higher quality Loudspeaker filters made from Jupiter capacitors and Mundorfs NewUltra resistors noticeably better in every way, the ? Is how can something this simple work ? I was told you have to have the correct rated value of parts to be effective , they made a nice improvement especially in the top end .i found them on us audiomart but I see they just started to sell on here also , does the quality of parts really make Thst much a difference ? I am started to explore this modding trend maybe quality does count more then I thought itshould.
Looks like our other POOR poster has tattled and had posts removed? So much for " growing up on the mean streets on Chicago’s Southside. " Like many he’s good at calling out offenses. But he never sees his actions as offensive. Of course when you are superior to the other barnyard animals you have no concern about their feeling offended.
It would be easy to report the post which I found offensive. But I want it to stand in infamy to show his attitude towards the poor which he tries to cover After all, I WAS the poor person I was talking about.
My tech told me these purifiers are a filter which = cleaning high frequency hash or noise that absolutely rides about 12 khz typically ,and can be measured removing the noise does drop 1-2 db , but when taking a spl meter and matching output you can for sure hear better separation and depth of image which effects the whole upper end , they do take time to runin , much better then the low quality build synergistic type.
Parts quality is so important, I once bought a tweeter upgrade from the Linaeum speaker designer himself. Heard it on my speakers in his design studio. It required a different crossover that he showed me exactly how to build. One resistor, one cap, very simple. Bought the exact parts at Radio Shack, hooked it up, immediately called him up wondering WTF is going on this sounds like crap nowhere near as clear and detailed as what you did!
After some questions to make sure I did it right he asks what parts? Radio Shack. "That’s your problem." So I ordered new parts, exact same values, and instantly heard massive improvement.
The way it works, parts are measured under static load conditions. Music is never static, it is constantly changing. Frequency, amplitude, swinging all over the place all the time. Only way we know to "measure" anything this complex is by listening.
This is exactly the same as the way everyone has 120V AC, or 100 watts per channel, or .3mv output, but yet everyone’s AC, amp and cartridge sounds different. It is all the same, only for some reason hardly anyone seems capable of seeing the patterns.
The filter can only take away, it can ADD nothing, that’s why it’s a filter.
Impedance matching is going to cause the onboard XO to act differently, or correctly via the way it was built and tested, either more so or less so.
I can see why quality parts don’t sound WORSE, I just don’t get how they sound better?
There must a funky factory XO, that a (shot in the dark) filter makes everything sound better.
I’d pay a little more attention to what Erik is saying OP.
HF roll off will sound better if the room isn’t treated. Mid or BASS, it depends on what the filter does. It may, and most likely does, make the ramps a LOT steeper, so they sound sharper.
Dips are going to stay dips, but peaks, steeper roll offs and a lower frequency roll off is what that filter CAN do.. It can’t add a thing..
Cheap parts in the path.. vs quality parts in the path vs NO other parts in the path. I’ll go with room treatment, tone control and NO extra parts in the path. :-)
@artemus_5 Okay. Real class. You are severely deficient in grace, dignity, and intellect. Fact is you have zero humility and you are still poor. (figure that out). We really need that block or mute button. You have polluted this post enough with your indignant rant.
Not totally true Erik, we used a spl meter to match output you are correct in untouched the spl is a 1-2 db difference
Can you please point out what I posted that you are refuting with this sentence? Because it seems like all you are doing is confirming exactly what I mentioned. The question in the OP was how they work, not what they do. :)
I was poor once too growing up on the mean streets on Chicago’s Southside. Not on a high horse just think you could frame it better.
poor people are not on this forum at least not the financially challenged. There are a few that are challenged in character and contribution and intellect.
Artemis5 a very good choice of words , there are many people with $$ That are smart and buy tweaks,and areHumble, Unless you have owned any of these tweaks personally then you speak out of ignorance , just a comment without basis .
Not totally true Erik, we used a spl meter to match output you are correct in untouched the spl is a 1-2 db difference but once mstched there was more depth and better stereo separation. The Synergistic model that had crapped out in that little tube our tech friend showed cheap no name resistor capacitor , and just picked a average ohm resistor Thst may or may not work with 8 or 4 ohm speakers , the Jupiter purifiers are built per speaker, my tech friend said this is far more sound technically He has over 30 years in as a tech he knows much more then most , and I think 8 am going to let him mod my speakers .
Poor people often fool themselves into believing that the cheaper stuff is just as good
Great choice of words. So eloquent a put down.
let’s try. When people first start in this endeavor they will buy lower tier equipment or what they can afford and convince them selves it is as good as the upper echelon audio equipment available. You come off as an elitist snob. Not saying you are @artemus_5 just that post makes it appear that way.
I think the explanation of how and why these work is more than a little bogus.
Based on the values on the sample image it's more likely that these are acting as an impedance equalizer, lowering peaks that usually occur in the area between the mid and tweeters. Not a bad idea really.
In some cases though it may also just act as a tone control, lowering the output a db or so based on your amplifier's output impedance.
Yeah, they probably change the sound. Is it removing high frequency "noise" or just removing high frequencies? That's another story. :)
Of course quality makes a difference. But it costs more. Poor people often fool themselves into believing that the cheaper stuff is just as good. But after one experiences the difference that quality makes, it’s hard to believe that again. As to tweaks, I have made great strides in sound quality with various tweaks.I believe that the system has to be a certain quality point to make a noticable difference. Joe, a high resolution system will show more benefits.
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