atdavid, I am not the one who said what you’re accusing me of saying. It was jea48. You should probably eat more fish. If you can’t keep up with the discussion you should drop out. You don’t listen. God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason.
To Fuse or Not to Fuse... That is the question!
Ok.. I think I understand that no fuse is better than a cheap fuse. And a good fuse is better than a cheap fuse. But is no fuse better than the best fuse?
One person on Audiogon said that he achieved better sound by using a Blue fuse over no fuse. I guess my question is... Do these new, high dollar fuses just allow the current to flow better with solid protection or do they actually due to quantum physics or something, actually improve upon the signal by eliminating errant bad electrons and thereby actually improving the music over no fuse at all?
I gots to know!
One person on Audiogon said that he achieved better sound by using a Blue fuse over no fuse. I guess my question is... Do these new, high dollar fuses just allow the current to flow better with solid protection or do they actually due to quantum physics or something, actually improve upon the signal by eliminating errant bad electrons and thereby actually improving the music over no fuse at all?
I gots to know!
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I must say, your ability to argue from a position of ignorance is truly remarkable .... just like your attempt to use simplifications to justify your reasoning. almarg, and others have tried repeatedly explain the concept to you, but here let me put it to you in the easiest way possible. I will leave out the basics of Poynting VECTOR since many others have raised this with you already (quick search shows that). Energy is a scaler in the same way that velocity is also a scaler whose SI unit is m/s = meters / second. Now lets do an example. Geoff leaves his house at 9am and travels, for 1 hour at 30 meters/second. Where is Geoff? You don't know do you. He could be anywhere within a radius of 108,000 meters of his starting point. If you want to use this "scaler" argument for energy, then you have to accept you can't say that energy always travels from the source to the load because that would require direction .. and energy has no direction. But then again, the Poynting vector units are watts/m^2. That is not even an energy term, that is a power term ... which defines along with a direction vector where the energy is going and the rate of energy transfer. |
atdavid And just because you repeat the wrong things over and over that you don’t seem to understand does not make them right either. Saying there is current and ignoring current everywhere in the cable, just like ignoring that the e-field and b-fields change direction, and that they lead to the energy vector and spouting blindly "but but but the energy vector is always towards the load", again, does not make anything you are trying to claim correct. It is not. >>>>>Nope I never said that, you’re putting words in my mouth again. What I actually said here at some point is that energy is not (rpt not) a vector, it’s a scalar. It has no direction. Just like Bob Dylan has no direction of home. Better luck next time. I promise I’ll let you win one sometime. Maybe you should try keeping a log. That way you recall better who said what. I hate to judge before all the facts are in but you have all the signs of the very thing the article you posted described - The Backfire Effect. Hel-loo! |
And just because you repeat the wrong things over and over that you don't seem to understand does not make them right either. Saying there is current and ignoring current everywhere in the cable, just like ignoring that the e-field and b-fields change direction, and that they lead to the energy vector and spouting blindly "but but but the energy vector is always towards the load", again, does not make anything you are trying to claim correct. It is not. |
It’s push me, pull me 🔛 plain and simple. The current is alternating on the + and - wires. When the current travels one way on one wire current travels the opposite way on the other wire. You can’t make it any simpler than that. When you switch the + and - wires the speakers operate out of polarity. I agree electrons are a red herring. So are the E and B fields. They are a function of the current. Current is the moving charge. |
herman, E-field is due to charge differential, which is a factor of electrons everywhere in the circuit all at once. Moving charges, i.e. moving electrons in traditional model or (photons quantum model) leads to magnetic field (b-field). Energy vector is integrated cross-product of e-field and b-field over the whole circuit which points to the load always. The b-field and e-field change direction, but the product of them does not. So while energy transfer is one way, AC is bidirectional and has different field directions for the electric and magnetic fields. Charge does move, whether very slow, or what is effectively back and force in one place. |
listen to Almarg the mistaken idea that electrons flow like water in a hose that is promoted in entry level physics classes has caused untold confusion. AC is not bidirectional. Energy is transferred from the source to the load. Any movement of electrons is a byproduct of that, not a cause, and they most certainly do not "flow" as most people envision it. forget about electrons. Any attempt to explain what is happening that involves electrons is doomed to fail. |
Pop quiz! The inmates in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest are divided into Chronics and Acutes. Some Chronics are patients who arrived at the hospital as Acutes but were mentally crippled by excessive shock treatment or brain surgery, common practices in the hospital. Nurse Ratched encourages the Acutes to spy on one another. The Acutes are made up of patients who are seen to be "curable." As a group they hang out together during the day and often play cards. It is this group, led by McMurphy, that challenges Nurse Ratched’s authority. OK, here’s the quiz. Which one’s George? Is he an Acute, a Chronic or Nurse Ratched? Part 2 - What ARE they putting in the water down there? 🦘🦘🦘 |
You mention the BS $160 Orange fuse 4 times in the last post. Now say your not shilling (even though they say you have stated on Audiogon that your a Synergistic Research beta tester) The only way a fuse can sound better, if it replaces old crusty one that seen too many switch on surges over time, doesn’t have to be $200 fuse, should be $2 same one but new, and the same result will happen, and switch-on surge ageing will be the same for both $200 fuse or the $2 fuse |
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I think due to rapid progressive improvements of fuses these years When the SR Orange fuses were completely broken in, they were way better than the SR Blue fuses they replaced. Are you guys listening to yourselves, really!! you must be all related to geoffkiat in some demonic way. Oh yes you haven't mentioned turning them around the other way. YET! |
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I think due to rapid progressive improvements of fuses these years it may not be strange that new SR Orange fuse going to be much better than AM ultimate beeswax which has introduced one year ago and just like as when AM Beeswax ultimate released in late 2018 and had improvements over AR Blue of 2017... so as this story goes should wait for something like Super Mega Ultimate beeswax fuse in 2020 to retake the throne:) |
I was about to buy 4 AM Beeswax ultimate fuses for my setup (arc ref 10, ref 75se,cd9,ps audio p20) but I just noticed that the new SR Orange fuse's released, I am sure that the AM Beeswax ultimate is better than SR Blue according to reviews but if even the new Orange is equal to Beeswax ultimate with $45 less in price I'm going to save $180 with 4 Orange fuses! |
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wolf_garcia Good name for it wolf, we’ll go with that and hammer that one home, should hit the spot with the gullible that pay >$150 for 50c fuse. A slow-blo fuse ageing over time right to left Cheers George |
Oh!! thanks for reminding me!! The only way a fuse can sound better, if it replaces old crusty one that seen too many switch on surges over time, doesn’t have to be $200 fuse, should be $2 same one but new, and the same result will happen, and switch-on surge ageing will be the same for both $200 fuse or the $2 fuse A slow-blo fuse ageing over time right to left https://ibb.co/8XGQf2z A fast-blo fuse ageing over time left to right https://ibb.co/QcKk94M Your better off spending $2 on a "new original fuse", and save hundreds. Cheers George |
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There are too many fuses out there now, all giving a different flavor, better subjectively, yes. Absolute improvement, NO! Well, thanks Synergistic when my Blue fuse blew, not even a an email reply on whether the fuse could be replace for a fee as it was a week old! I tested my equipment with the stock fuse, no problem! So whilst there was a sonic flavour , warm and full with the Blue fuse. I soldered a 1cm long, 0.015mm silver wire. The rest was history, it shows how veiled and blue the Blue fuse was. So, readers will be able to make a judgement, Yellow better? maybe....... But what is the flavour of the day apart of the maybe next purple fuse being again better than the Yellow. Stay tuned for this space,, 1 year later. |