To Fuse or Not to Fuse... That is the question!


Ok.. I think I understand that no fuse is better than a cheap fuse. And a good fuse is better than a cheap fuse. But is no fuse better than the best fuse?

One person on Audiogon said that he achieved better sound by using a Blue fuse over no fuse. I guess my question is... Do these new, high dollar fuses just allow the current to flow better with solid protection or do they actually due to quantum physics or something, actually improve upon the signal by eliminating errant bad electrons and thereby actually improving the music over no fuse at all?

I gots to know!


captaindidactic

Showing 25 responses by georgehifi

Do you reach 100 hrs for Oranges?
Does it take less time of break-in than blues?
It seems Blues take 200 hrs or more for fully break-in

Cukoo! Cleanup aisle 4
I think due to rapid progressive improvements of fuses these years 
When the SR Orange fuses were completely broken in, they were way better than the SR Blue fuses they replaced.

Are you guys listening to yourselves, really!! you must be all related to geoffkiat in some demonic way. Oh yes you haven't mentioned turning them around the other way. YET!

You mention the BS $160 Orange fuse 4 times in the last post.

Now say your not shilling
(even though they say you have stated on Audiogon that your a Synergistic Research beta tester)


The only way a fuse can sound better, if it replaces old crusty one that seen too many switch on surges over time, doesn’t have to be $200 fuse, should be $2 same one but new, and the same result will happen, and switch-on surge ageing will be the same for both $200 fuse or the $2 fuse

A slow-blo fuse ageing over time right to left
https://ibb.co/8XGQf2z


A fast-blo fuse ageing over time left to right
https://ibb.co/QcKk94M

Your better off spending $2 on a "new original fuse", and save hundreds.




Obviously an SR shill hatched a couple of months ago to be released into SR promoting threads.
wolf_garcia
"fuse rot"


Good name for it wolf, we’ll go with that and hammer that one home, should hit the spot with the gullible that pay >$150 for 50c fuse.
A slow-blo fuse ageing over time right to left
https://ibb.co/8XGQf2z


A fast-blo fuse ageing over time left to right
https://ibb.co/QcKk94M

Cheers George

Oh!! thanks for reminding me!!

  The only way a fuse can sound better, if it replaces old crusty one that seen too many switch on surges over time, doesn’t have to be $200 fuse, should be $2 same one but new, and the same result will happen, and switch-on surge ageing will be the same for both $200 fuse or the $2 fuse

A slow-blo fuse ageing over time right to left
https://ibb.co/8XGQf2z


A fast-blo fuse ageing over time left to right
https://ibb.co/QcKk94M

Your better off spending $2 on a "new original fuse", and save hundreds.

Cheers George
Dam, didn’t save those, and looks as if that fuse thread got shut down also.

Cheers George

And if you want to change your old crusty fuses that may have seen too many turn on cycles (pics attached), then do it with the same $1 fuse, not the BS $150 SR boutique ones, as they will sound the same and age just as fast.

Pics of fast and slow blo fuses that have seen too many turn on cycles over a couple of years.
https://ibb.co/PzWvzwr (left to right over time aging)
https://ibb.co/17Tvy6t (right to left over time aging)


Cheers George
ieales

Littelfuse spec 5A 250v Slo-Blo 21.4mΩ
Measured 22mΩ with precision supply and resistor divider @ ≈115mA

Measured R after 10 minutes at each current.
0.55A 31mΩ
1.10A 31mΩ
2.20A 31mΩ

Power Transformer input Z ≈100Ω. Fuse is 0.023% of input Z.

Please explain how ZERO change in fuse characteristics can rob low level detail.

Crappy holders in harsh environments can create ugly artifacts. Ditto poor quality or wrong characteristic holders or fuses.
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This says it all, "if" you voodooist fusers can understand

Good work for the effort measuring


And if you want to change your old crusty fuses that may have seen too many turn on cycles (pics attached), then do it with the same $1 fuse, not the BS $150 SR boutique ones, as they will sound the same and age just as fast.

Pics of fast and slow blo fuses that have seen too many turn on cycles over a couple of years.
https://ibb.co/PzWvzwr (left to right over time aging)
https://ibb.co/17Tvy6t (right to left over time aging)


Cheers George
Clean up aisle 4!!!!!.
Someone please mop Geoff up, and flush him down the dunny.
I rarely promote my products here, fellas.
Are you kidding, that crap, if you did it would be shot down in flames quicker than any voodoo fuse posts here are. 
there is this forum where you get to do it for free

You see SR (Synergistic Research) aren't stupid they don't post here like other manufactures do to back up their wares in any conflicts, they know they become liable then, get the stupid shills to do it for them for them.

Because they know if someone is seriously injured trying the multitude of different colored mains fuses in different directions doing a/b as fast as they can, that someone one day will forget to unplug from the mains and die.
  
And if they don't post here they are not liable, only their stupid shills are (which will plead insanity anyway with proof).

Cheers George 
roberttcan
geoffkait
If you went to school, which I seriously doubt, I suggest you run down there real fast and demand your money back.
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Have a good look at his website, interesting doesn’t even begin to say what a ****** ** individual he is, he seriously need to seek professional help, it will make you shake your head.
http://www.machinadynamica.com/

Cheers George


Now it looks like a serious attempt to sell stuff, serious for Machina Dynamica at least..
Oh yeah, he's no dummy if it comes to that, he preys here on the gullible to believe his **** which then they buy from him.

Cheers George
Really Geoff!! he could be your twin.🤢  Can’t see the forest for the trees???

What do you think, there’s a 15mm long strip of unobtainim in that glass tube, get real.

Ok, ok, lets double it to 50c still dam good in anyone’s books.

I had no idea!!! there’s even one for $225usd!!!! Talk about preying on the gullible
https://highend-electronics.com/collections/accessories/fuses

Cheers George
oregonpapa
Just as soon as I think I’ve tweaked the system to it’s maximum, something else comes along to take it to new heights.
How many times have I seen you say this, from stock to black to blue to red to purple now orange, you must have the best sounding system in the world.


jetter
I wonder if you have separated more audiophiles from their hard earned than any other individual on this site
That’s a roger roger, straight into SR’s pocket at the speed of light, not only for fuses but anything else RS has, and maybe a little honey back on the side, for yours truly.

BTW: no more SR $150 "Orange fuse" thread that was just blatant s******g.
You can guarantee a new trainee SR s*****r, will start one up in it’s place.
Because there’s now a million Orange fuses to get rid of at rrp $150, cost price 20cent, nice profit if you can get it.

Cheers George

To the gullible reading this thinking of spending hundreds on fuses, and if not technically competent risking your lives by going inside your amps, don’t listen to the fuse snake oil peddlers.

The only way a fuse can sound better, if it replaces old crusty one that seen too many switch on surges over time, doesn’t have to be $200 fuse, should be $2 same one but new, and the same result will happen.

A slow-blo fuse ageing over time right to left
https://peakpinball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/fuse-8312-640x426.jpg

A fast-blo fuse ageing over time left to right
https://i.stack.imgur.com/0uqWX.jpg%20

Your better off spending $2 on a "new original fuse", and save hundreds.

Cheers George
no fuse I will not discuss this issue any longer.

Regards,
-- Al
I'm with you Al, it's also stupidity of the highest order to bypass mains fuses, and to play around with them to see which direction sounds better is ludicrous, and then to tell the "gullible" to do it is down right dangerous.

This thread has been reported to admin, to be moved to "Misc Audio" and with an Audigon disclaimer, should someone should get hurt doing this ****, because of the stupidity of others telling them it ok to do so.

Cheers George  
You’ve now been told here by a couple of members who have more Electronic Engineering knowledge in their little pinkie than all of you "mains fusers" have collectively.

And what your doing and telling the "gullible" to do, is down right dangerous, and liable.
I have told no one to do such a thing. I asked a question. Can you not read?
Really!!! because indirectly just you did not listing the others. 

I may be in the near future buying copper tubing and installing it in place of a fuse

Ok, what I meant by No Fuse, was bypassing the fuse with copper or silver wire.

Ok.. I think I understand that no fuse is better than a cheap fuse.

 McIntosh 2105 with regular fuses,  I went all the way and replaced it with a piece of high purity silver wire. How did the sound change after you silver wired your McIntosh?

I am frantically searching a previous post in hopes to find what I think I read, that someone bypassed the fuses
It's this kind of suggestive talk that will maybe end someones life, this is a dangerous practice. Fuses have no direction, and do not sound better.

The only way a fuse can sound better if it's replaced with an old crusty one that seen many switch on surges.
A slow-blo ageing right to left
https://peakpinball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/fuse-8312-640x426.jpg

A fast-blo ageing left to right
https://i.stack.imgur.com/0uqWX.jpg%20

Your better off spending $2 on an original new fuse, and save yourself >$98 as the ageing process will happen just as fast with the >$100 fuse.

Cheers George

NOT AGAIN!!! please mods shift this toxic subject to the MISC Audio forum where it belongs and take GK with it, before he start saying he can hear the inserted direction of mains fuses

ibmjunkman
I thought AC changed directions 60 times a second?
You are correct, everything else you posted up is pure BS, show us a link to where you seen this c**p.

Cheers George
Again, to the mods please move this toxic **** to the Misc Audio forum where all the other were moved too. Before it festers any more.

Cheers George