For sh#ts and giggles I just grabbed a pair of vintage recoaned the smaller advents with the fried green egg tweeters and the spit ball woofer, they are 4 ohms and I will drive them with my rogue sphinx, should be a blast! Acoustic suspension speakers are special.
There's a lot more bass in a 6.5" driver than most of you think
One topic of discussion I often see new audiophiles touch on is whether to get larger speakers for more bass.
I usually suggest they tune the room first, then re-evaluate. This is based on listening and measurement in several apartments I’ve lived in. Bigger speakers can be nothing but trouble if the room is not ready.
In particular, I often claim that the right room treatment can make smaller speakers behave much larger. So, to back up my claims I’d like to submit to you my recent blog post here:
https://speakermakersjourney.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-snr-1-room-response-and-roon.html
Look at the bass response from those little drivers! :)
I admit for a lot of listeners these speakers won’t seem as punchy as you might like, but for an apartment dweller who does 50/50 music and theater they are ideal for me. If you’d like punchy, talk to Fritz who aligns his drivers with more oomf in the bass.
I usually suggest they tune the room first, then re-evaluate. This is based on listening and measurement in several apartments I’ve lived in. Bigger speakers can be nothing but trouble if the room is not ready.
In particular, I often claim that the right room treatment can make smaller speakers behave much larger. So, to back up my claims I’d like to submit to you my recent blog post here:
https://speakermakersjourney.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-snr-1-room-response-and-roon.html
Look at the bass response from those little drivers! :)
I admit for a lot of listeners these speakers won’t seem as punchy as you might like, but for an apartment dweller who does 50/50 music and theater they are ideal for me. If you’d like punchy, talk to Fritz who aligns his drivers with more oomf in the bass.
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Read the stereophile review of diamond 225's...6.5 inch woofer, wave guide soft dome tweeter, and an unusual port on bottom of cabinet...one reviewer was astounded to see usable bass frequency output down to about 31.5 hz! Now that's nuts. Sure it was down several decibels from its rated 45 hz, but it was there and significant....pretty close to his words. I can attest to this as mine never fail to amaze me for a lousy $449 bucks! Freaking great speakers.... |
+1 for Fritz speakers. Have had a pair of his Carbon 7 MK II speakers -(here is a link to the Carbon 7 MK 11 spec page- http://fritzspeakers.com/DreamWeaverFritzCarbon7Mk2SpecPage.asp) I have Definitive Technology - SuperCube 2000 7-1/2" 650W Powered Subwoofer with crossover and phase control for anything under 35HZ....barely hear the sub except for very low sounds and sometimes don't event hear it at all. This is for more of near field listening in a 20X25 room with speakers and listening in an 8' triangle....Sound is amazing...just ask Fritz for a loaner for 30 days and hear for yourself ! |
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Yep, Erik. As an owner of the Joseph Audio Perspective speakers I know what you are talking about. Their (even smaller) dual 5.5" long-throw woofers continue to blow me away, often seeming to sound even deeper and punchier than the big Thiel 3.7s the replaced (3 way with 10" woofers). As John Atkinson, a man not unfamiliar with the performance of many speakers, said in his review of the Perspective2: ---- "When the kickdrum was doubled with synth dropped-bass notes, I was astonished by how much clean, low-frequency energy four 5.5" woofers could pump into my room. " ------- |
Subs when properly implemented increase midrange clarity, solidify and increase soundstage dimension and space. The Purifi driver itself has a resonant frequency of 30 hz.and can be used in a rather small box. This driver will be a drop in replacement for most Seas and Scanspeak 6.5 in. drivers. Tom |
My mission Cyrus 781 have a 6 inches bass driver with a potential so good that I dont give a damn now to connect the Kreisel subwoofer I bought 2 years ago... :) My tweaks, Helmholtz resonator, and room treatment, with an audio system at his highest potential level is more than sufficient... Who needs 20 hertz or even 30 ? The important thing is the clarity all across the spectrum for me.... |
In 5 yrs there will be someting better. If someone else understands how to reduce interfering energy all the better..mostly accidental in many designs and material shapes..Will let you know. I will also be applying materials from Perfect Path Solutions to this driver and magnet structure and also to the inside of the poured granite cabinet. What I have experienced with the PPT products is amazing. Also some other tuning methods that are used in string instruments that can be modified and adapted from my patents. It's all a continuum. Cant wait. Tom |
To be clear: I am a big fan of subwoofers. :) I have a 15" Hsu. I don't mean to advocate against large speakers, or against subwoofers at all. What I do want to say is that the path to great bass starts with the room. Whether you are going to stick with a 2-way monitor, upgrade to larger or start adding subwoofers, a well treated room is the shortest path to bass nirvana than all other paths. |