@geoffkait I'm being nice and you still have to have a barbed comeback.
The new Synergistic Research BLUE fuses ....
New SR BLUE fuse thread ...
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
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As to your suggestion to Geoff, didn’t you know that he doesn’t really LISTEN to music? We all know that, you just have look at his avatar to see what he’s into. And this is his! http://sshc.in/voodoo-dolls-black-magic-voodoo-love-spells-evil-spirits/ Cheers George |
My sincere well wishes during - and after - your hospital stay. @amg56 As to your suggestion to Geoff, didn’t you know that he doesn’t really LISTEN to music? His enjoyment is derived herein the forum. Reminder.. withdrawal can be painful....😌 |
Heh.... I am out of the battlefield and will watch from the sidelines. It will make for good viewing anyway. Thanks for the best wishes. I'll be in good care, and I'll have this crappy notebook with the keyboard that has a mind of its own (I swear it's possessed sometimes) to keep in touch while in hospital. @geoffkait Geoff, take a Valium mate. Life is to short. So forget the competition and let it go. Listen to some good music and enjoy what you hear. |
cleeds geoffkait “I’m saying there isn’t such a thing as a valid listening test. I thought I made that clear. The reason is because pitfalls can sometimes be beyond anyone’s control.” Sorry, we’ll have to disagree about that, Geoff. I absolutely think there is such a thing as a scientific, valid listening test. It is not as simple to conduct as some here would have us believe, however. And the results of any one single test are of limited value, especially to an audiophile who’s comfortable and reasonably confident in what he hears. Hey, no problem. You sound a little bit like the spiritually minded scientist, Dr. Elizabeth Shaw, who replies in the movie Prometheus when asked why she thinks heaven would be beautiful, “Cause that’s what I choose to believe.” You seem to have much more confidence in the abilities of audiophiles than I do. I also happen to think you’re not really following my logic. |
gdhal There are no "demands"; at least not coming from me.I guess you use an odd definition of the word "demand." Here’s one good definition: "an insistent and peremptory request, made as if by right." ... any testing and associated procedures would be conducted FILL IN THE BLANK.That makes no sense to me at all. But because you’ve agreed to end your demands, we can allow the matter to end here. |
cleeds - That's just not true. If it were, you'd conduct such a test yourself. Instead, you demand others do it for you, ante up $25,000 first and work with your attorney to "protect" themselves. Those are the facts, and the reason your posts keep getting deleted. There are no "demands"; at least not coming from me. To your point about the forum rules, perhaps you should be reminded I asked (rather politely too I might add) that any testing and associated procedures would be conducted FILL IN THE BLANK. That ends that argument. |
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gdhal I embrace the idea of "lets reverse and *RELIABLY* hear a difference"That's just not true. If it were, you'd conduct such a test yourself. Instead, you demand others do it for you, ante up $25,000 first and work with your attorney to "protect" themselves. Those are the facts, and the reason your posts keep getting deleted. Again, I direct your attention to this clause in the forum's rules: " ... you may not use the Services in any way that violates applicable federal, state, or international law, or for any unlawful purpose." |
geoffkait I’m saying there isn’t such a thing as a valid listening test. I thought I made that clear. The reason is because pitfalls can sometimes be beyond anyone’s controlSorry, we'll have to disagree about that, Geoff. I absolutely think there is such a thing as a scientific, valid listening test. It is not as simple to conduct as some here would have us believe, however. And the results of any one single test are of limited value, especially to an audiophile who's comfortable and reasonably confident in what he hears. Unlike many of the loud voices here, I've actually participated in a few listening tests. These were very much scientific: level-matched, double-blind, with training that preceded the actual test. The results were ... interesting. To be clear, I think such tests have very limited value to most audiophiles and are mostly a waste their time. But if we are going to discuss listening tests, it should be done without hocus-pocus, and without the requirement to wager $25,000 and include the involvement of lawyers to "protect" us. I think scientific blind listening tests have very real value to manufacturers, by the way. But I think it's interesting that the best manufacturers use them only as a guide - not an absolute measure of their work. |
gdhal It’s a shame the more appropriate and more comprehensive response is - apparently - against forum policy.If you're not clear about the forum's rules, you might want to review them. They are here. In particular, you might want to note this condition, which would seem to apply to you: " In addition, you may not use the Services in any way that violates applicable federal, state, or international law, or for any unlawful purpose." If you don't like the forum rules, you're free to move on. |
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cleeds geoffkait “Please note that I’m NOT saying the test has to be rigged.” It’s obvious that’s there is such a thing as a valid listening test, isn’t it? >>>>I’m saying there isn’t such a thing as a valid listening test. I thought I made that clear. The reason is because pitfalls can sometimes be beyond anyone’s control. That’s independent of the actual test results, or how the results are interpreted. >>>>That’s what they would have you believe. Just because someone follows test procedures exactly doesn’t mean the test results are valid. Obviously positive results are more meaningful, though, since positive results can be obtained even when there are errors in the system, hearing issues, failure to follow instructions, etc. |
geoffkait Please note that I’m NOT saying the test has to be riggedIt’s obvious that’s there is such a thing as a valid listening test, isn’t it? That’s independent of the actual test results, or how the results are interpreted. Anyone with a genuine interest in blind testing of audio would want to ensure in advance that the efforts of conducting such a test would at least be rewarded with a meaningful result. There’s a lot of science about how to conduct a valid test, so there’s no reason to reinvent the wheel, or to call in lawyers in advance of the test to somehow "protect" the participants. |
amg56 ... Sorry to hear about your diagnosis. That really sucks. For what its worth Adrian, I've never thought of you as anything other than a "normal" poster in these threads. There is absolutely nothing wrong in expressing an opinion no matter how many disagree with those opinions. Counter opinions are one thing, while personal attacks are another. I don't think I recall you ever attacking anyone here on a personal basis. If you have, I've missed it somehow. I actually enjoy your input. This is how we learn, no? I wish you the best ... and rest assured that medical advances over the past years have saved tens of thousands of lives of those suffering from a vast variety of afflictions ... including the "Big C." Take care ... Frank |
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geoffkait The threat of a blind test is simply a ruse, a ploy, a rather obvious one, used by naysayers to browbeat people into doubting what they believe or hear or to subject a controversial product to doubt and ridicule. Putting up money on the testvonly adds to the absurdity of the whole thing. The test hasn’t even taken place and the naysayer already knows the result?Yes, he knew what the "test" result would be advance because it was rigged, like three-card monte. That’s why he was willing to wager $25K on it, and why he continues to promote it on this forum. Of course, gdhal will respond by saying he’s not promoting the $25K challenge but only "offering" it. No matter. It’s a ruse. |
Actually it’s not true that carefully agreed terms of the test procedure ensure a valid test. As I’ve oft explained, the reasons why a blind test OR ANY TEST can go wrong are sometimes BEYOND the control of either party or any lawyers that might be involved. Especially when they are not test experts. It’s completely naive to believe that a negative result of a blind test, even one that is very thorough and agreed to, proves anything. In fact I’d go so far as to say anyone who suggests a blind test for an audio tweak is either naive or scheming. The threat of a blind test is simply a ruse, a ploy, a rather obvious one, used by naysayers to browbeat people into doubting what they believe or hear or to subject a controversial product to doubt and ridicule. Putting up money on the test only adds to the absurdity of the whole thing. The test hasn’t even taken place and the naysayer already knows the result? Come on, people! Wise up! Geoff Kait Machina Dynamica The difficult we do rapidly, the impossible takes a little longer |
I can't afford the blue (or black) fuses. Therefore I am not interested in purchasing any. However, if I am honest, I cannot say that those who have them find them to their liking. Its the prerogative of the owner to opine on the product. If I or others are not persuaded to purchasing them for what ever reason, so be it. |
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georgehifi I think all of us, would like to hear from Synergistic Research themselves ...Actually, no we wouldn't. Please don't pretend to speak for the entire group, George. Those who have a genuine interest in Synergistic fuses buy one and try it. Those who don't have a genuine interest seem to want to just perpetuate the squabbling. |
gdha ... persons who perceive what should be impossible to receive, haven’t been completely honest with themselves in-so-far as **how** they "perceived" it.It's rather odd how the one user here who has repeatedly promoted his $25K rigged "listening test" accuses others here of not being "completely honest." A listener can be "completely honest," and still reject your repeated demands that they conduct some sort of listening test to satisfy you. |
amg56 - I can’t disprove what you perceive, I can’t prove it wrong, nor are there evidential proof one way or another.That is true. No one can disprove what someone else perceives. However, one can point out (repeatedly) that persons who perceive what should be impossible to perceive, haven’t been completely honest with themselves in-so-far as **how** they "perceived" it. In the case of this thread, the perception was done with ears, eyes, fingers (touch), expectation bias (advanced knowledge), perhaps smell, etc. whereas realistically, the perception should occur *only* with ones ears. |
Truce guys, truce. Lets agree to disagree but lets not allow this fine forum AudioGon go to the dogs, where we are at each are either out insulting each other or disrespecting the products that, I am sure of, people have worked to make work. Ok, at times we have conformational or expectation bias. Agreed. Lets call it at that. I can't disprove what you perceive, I can't prove it wrong, nor are there evidential proof one way or another. This goes to all the other threads as well. I feel very uncomfortable knowing that I have contributed to the insults and personal and product putdowns. I feel uncomfortable posting something not knowing whether I'll get a thrashing for it. It's not a nice feeling to be excluded in a hobby I love as much as you all, Can we just call a truce and be civil with each other. I am sure there will be other posters who will respect us more for it. Adrian |
I asked you what facts would satisfy you? ... You asked here it is again. I think all of us, would like to hear from Synergistic Research themselves, personally saying the same as what is said here by the "Awesome Foursome" and others regarding the "massive increase in sound quality" that these mains fuses give, and the "directional ability" they have also, over a good quality standard $2 new fuse. Cheers George |
Highly respected designer Dennis Had director/founder of "Cary Audio", opinion on snake oil fuses ect. https://youtu.be/xLQsEeBKg1E?t=1791 This is all you potential fusers need to know, forget the "snake oil’ being preached. As this is what happens to any fuse (including the "snake oil" ones) that have seen too many turn on cycles, it’s called fuse ageing with "switch on surges", as there’s far more current goes through it at the moment of switch on than any other time, as it has to charge up empty power supply caps ect.Cheers George |
Their backers comments speak for themselves, like with all products that people are happy with. What need does SR have that they must rely and promote what others say? This is really quite a stretch, even for you. I would say you can do better, but you seem to be running out of negative options to toss around. All the best, Nonoise |
And, you found out that SR steers people to what they think is a sane discussion on their fuses. But when it comes to the backing up the user comments SR points to, their silence is deafening. As they never say themselves, not even close, what you fusers are saying these "snake oil" fuses can do. Cheers George |
I sure love my SR Blacks and, more so, the Blues. The only real proof is found in the art of listening, in knowing your system's sound and how it changes after you make alterations---cleaning connections, adding isolation schemes, moving speakers, changing fuses, power cords, etc. You need the discernment in hearing to evaluate your work. We have no proof from the naysayers and know-it-alls they possess any of these qualities. |