The New Amati G5 or Joseph Audio Pearl Graphene


I’ve owned a bunch of Sonus Faber Speakers and I just love their sound. I’ve had a chance to listen to the Joseph Audio Pearl Graphene and met Jeff Joseph at the Tampa Audio Show earlier this year. The Pearl Graphene’s sound very accurate, clean, fast and detailed. Maybe a little clinical…? I tend to the more emotional organic voice of the new Amati’s.

What do you guys think of the the Pearl Graphene…? 
 

Nice choice to have indeed…!

 

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I think you completely answered your question in your post… Sonus Faber Amati. My last three sets of speakers have been Sonus Faber, the most recent are Amati Traditional. They have a very unique and musical sound I have not heard in any other speakers… when properly mated with electronics they are simply stunning. You have the perfect electronics to power them (same as mine).

To me there is nothing more disappointing than detailed speakers that compromise on rhythm and pace for the sake of extra resolution.

I think Joseph’s speakers are as good as any Sonus Faber. They absolutely do not compromise on anything. As they say, different strokes for different folks. I’ve heard the Pearls a couple of times and I will take them over any Sonus Faber any time. 

Another big JA fan here.  Clinical?  No.  Natural sound and just reproduce what they’re fed.  Pearls would be my end-game speaker. 

@arafiq Gosh - I am so torn...! I love my JA dealer as well and would LOVE to drop this wad on his business... I'm going over there agin this week to give them another listen for sure. Thank you for your comments...!

@soix I will deffo give then another listen. Thank You for your notes..!

 

I am curious on what you decide because I think your choices are win-win.

I have listened to the Amanti G5 powered by Audio Research 160 stereo, Moon 860AV2 and Boulder's 300 watt amp.  I think they sound awesome. 

@jomonhifi Please understand that I'm in no way implying that Sonus Faber is inferior to Joseph Audio by any stretch of the imagination. But for my taste, the Joseph Audio is spot on. It just does everything right. I currently own Perspective2 Graphene speakers. If I ever upgrade, it will most likely be the Pearls.

I didn't mean to come off like I was disparaging to the Sonus Faber brand. Of course, they make a fantastic speaker. I have owned and loved the Olympica II model. There's a reason they have stayed relevant for so long. 

I heard the Pearls again at Axpona. That room was as good as any.

The Franco Serblin line has a $20k model and a $40k model

that to me sound amazing. 

Neither clinical in my book.

 

Nice choice to have. I'm very close to buying a pair of Perspectives myself, have heard them at a local dealer several times and they just sound amazing. 

I can't answer your question, but somewhat related:  I have the Joseph Perspective graphene speakers and just recently I was able to hear the Sonus Faber Olympica nova 3 speakers for a little while at a local AV store.  I'd been wanting to hear new SF speakers for a long time.  They were hooked up to a Mcintosh tube amp, playing a selection of jazz and light vocals (of course...)

I'd first spent time listening to some B&W speakers in another room. I kind of enjoy the B&W sound "on first glance" because it really is so open and airy, and they've done a great job at reducing box signature, so it's all very well controlled.  Man do you ever hear in to the recording!   Cymbals have a nice pop out of the mix sparkle, things sound well separated.  After a while though I do miss some richness as I notice the B&W sculpted sound bit of a "smile" EQ).

My first impression of the SF speakers was that they were less overtly airy compared to the B&W.  However, to my surprise, they seemed perhaps even better at separating out all the elements in the mix, and giving each it's spotlight.  Cymbals which tended to be brighter and thinner on the B&W were fuller, rounder, bigger, more convincing on the SF. 

A recording of acoustic guitar, piano, sax and drums was very well sorted out and very clean and clear on the SF.  Though it certainly wasn't an overtly rich sound at all, as often attributed to SF, at least the SF of old.  If anything I'd say there was an emphasis on the leading edge and not tons of body to each instrument.  A bit reductive.  Though there was a nice solidity to the sound, a solidity to the leading edge of piano notes, snare, sax, guitar picking, which helped drive the music.

Soundstage seemed constrained between the speakers.  Depth was "good to great" - at first I felt it was a bit shallow, but then when I got to certain positions, I heard the central piano image recede quite well behind the speakers.  Drums had nice snap and drive.

The only two negatives that struck me were:

1. It wasn't quite "my" timbre for a speaker.  I liked that the SF didn't have to edge in to brightness in order to sound so clean and vivid, and I would not describe the sound as "dark" per se, but I wasn't quite getting the woody golden timbre I like to hear from acoustic guitar, the sort of burnished brass tone colour when I hear sax etc.  So it was a bit timbrally off than what i prefer.

 

2.  The bass was a bit overbearing and seemed emphasized.  It lacked the precision and control that the rest of the frequency spectrum had, so in the bass it sounded more "speakerly" than the rest of the range.    I wondered how much this had to do with the set up (they were several feet from the back wall) or amp.  But I noticed on more than one review the possibly-over-rich-bass was mentioned for these speakers.

Ok, my point in mentioning all this was to compare it to what I hear from the Joseph speakers at home.  The Perspectives have the same Joseph house sound as the Pearls, so...

What I'm getting at home is an incredibly disappearing act from the speakers, a wall-melting sense of depth, sonic images that can seem to come from well beyond the corners of the room, and yet nice palpability and precision in the imaging.

I don't know if the SF would pull off quite this much of a "magic act" even in the same place as my Perspectives.  I suspect not from what I heard...but you never know for sure.

Timbrally, the Perspectives give me that rich woody timbre from acoustic guitar, string instruments, that golden brassy glow for sax, trumpet etc.  They are very rich sounding from the lower mids down, not overly so, but it's closer to a sensual sound vs the tighter sound I heard from the SF.   Bass is very well controlled from the Perspectives, and has a reach-out-and-feel-it quality, without the sense of slight bloat I heard from the SF.  Drum cymbals have a more brassy tone than the silvery tone I heard from the SF.   And overall the Josephs sound more airy and extended.

(A bunch of this is influenced by my CJ tube amps, but this is still mostly in keeping with what I would hear when auditioning the Joseph speakers in the store with other amps).

I'd characterize the Joseph sound as having a vividness like the SF, sorting out everything in the mix as well, though in a slightly more suave, smooth, relaxed fashion.  That could be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on what you are looking for.

The pluses I would give to the SF over my Joseph speaker set up is that SF sounded to me a bit more evenly bodied from the upper bass up to the top.

The Joseph speakers have an incredible clarity give a nice insciveness to the higher frequencies.  However, as you move up from the lower mids, the sound does lose a bit more body, so things like upper female voices, then wood blocks, drum cymbals, will tend to be rendered thinner and dynamically a bit laid back.

I like the timbre of the Josephs for drum cymbals...but the SF sounded more convincing in terms of the body and fullness it maintained for drum cymbals. 

With the Josephs, I find it's the kick drum - which you really feel - and the snare work that drives the rhythm in drum parts.  With the SF I think the cymbals would also pop out with more force, and drive the rhythm as well.

Does all this translate in terms of the speakers the OP wants to compare?

I can't say.  But...I figured I'd offer my impressions in case they were of any help.

Cheers.

 

 

 

 

 

@prof What an extraordinary extrapolation….! I really appreciate it and will read this very carefully. More later. Thank you…!

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Thanks jomonhifi!

 

(I was going to thank Charles for his nice reply too...but for some weird reason it was removed)

@prof 

Nice write up. You put a great deal of effort into this. Great contribution.
 

Just to expand. No criticism of @prof. I owned several generations of Sonus Faber speakers and I have heard several levels in the current line up…. And own Amati Traditional.

While some folks like the pairing of MacIntosh equipment with Sonus Faber, some do not. For my tastes, Mac / Sonus Faber is not a good combination.  Mac is very heavy on midrange and bass, but completely lacks nuance of details on the upper end. This is why trebly notes pop instead of being part of the deeply detailed continuum of sound. So, if in the market for Sonus, I recommend really hearing them powered by Audio Research gear.  You will hear its natural, detailed sound across the whole audio spectrum. 
 

On one end there is Sonus Faber powered by MacIntosh and on the other is Sonus Faber powered by Audio Research. These serve very different markets.

@prof I am envious on your ability to describe sounds so elegantly.  I wouldn’t compare Olympica Nova 3s as a proxy for the Amati G5:

  • Amani is a much more refine speaker 3.5 way versus a 3 way design
  • The details are a whole other level especially in the lower frequencies.

 

I must emphasize agreement with ghdprentice w/r to Macintosh and SF.  I have auditioned the SF with McIntosh, Rogue Audio, Audio Research and concur that the McIntosh is the worse combination in that the sound is somewhat "blurred", detail lost, separation of instruments decreased, timbre too warm, soundstage smaller, etc, all in comparison to the other two brands.  Beware that the power cables, interconnects and speaker cables will make a significant difference in the sound, and also very importantly, do NOT listen to SF with the "jumper" plates that they ship with the speaker.  Immediately replace with a higher end jumper such as Shunyata Sigma, Nordost Valhalla, etc. The bass in particular will be totally different, but all aspects of the sound improve with good jumpers. I have owned SF Olympia, Amati and now enjoy the Cremonese.  

@prof

The Joseph speakers have an incredible clarity give a nice insciveness to the higher frequencies. However, as you move up from the lower mids, the sound does lose a bit more body, so things like upper female voices, then wood blocks, drum cymbals, will tend to be rendered thinner and dynamically a bit laid back.

In general I agree with your assessment, but as usual, caveats abound. I think some of the shortcomings you mention have to do with amplification. Earlier I was using a tube amp with my Perspective2 speakers and did notice some thinness in the mids. But once I moved to a more powerful amp (Aavik U-280), this problem ceased to exist. The sound I get now is full and tonally rich across all frequency ranges.

Also, after hearing the JA Pearls twice -- the second time was a very long session, the differences between Perspectives and Pearls are quite significant in my opinion. So yes, it retains the strengths of the Perspectives, but boy does it add scale, heft, and a sense of realism that is breathtaking. It just pressurizes the room in a way that Perspectives simply cannot. The Pearls are one of the best speakers I’ve heard cost no object.

 

 

Good contribution!

I've heard the Perspectives a few times on giant SimAudio monoblocks, so plenty of power.  And I did notice a bit more solidity to the sound.   Less body in terms of richness and roundness vs tubes, but more focused and a sense of solidity.

It still didn't give the Perspectives the type of richness and body in the upper frequencies as, say, the wider baffle speakers like the Devore O series.  But it did help somewhat.

The Joseph speakers are touted as tube friendly, at least in terms of impedance, but they seem to appreciate power too.

 

 

My experience with Mac/SF is totally opposite to two opinions posted here. I drive my Serafinos with Devialet 440 Pro and they sounded awesome. Moved on to Mac 611 monoblocks and C2700 pre, and they sounded significantly better. Upgraded C2700 to C12000 and Serafinos sound magical. Not sure what electronics from Mac was used when auditioning for the two members here, but I would not characterize my setup as lacking detail whatsoever. To me the combo of Mac/SF is a match made in heaven. 

This is an interesting read through. I have the McIntosh 901 amplifiers and it provides an opportunity to adjust the upper and lower range drivers to adjust for all the things I've read above. Plus it balances the tubes with the solid state amplifiers which is more ideal way for listening .