You are not seriously suggesting that a passive filter affects clocking? i’d love to see ANY earthbound explanation for that!
The best plug in filter ever!
Puron AC Power Conditioner by Greg Voth
After reading rave review of Puron AC plug in filter, I had got one 10 days ago.
For your information my system is very complicated with bi amping and three Farad linear supplies.
Thus I have 14 power cables, one main power conditioners, three isolation transformers.
I had tried plug in fliters from quiet lines, quartet stecker, IFI, furutech, Nordost Qv2 and QX2 fliters.
I still have all of them in my system without selling any of them.
I am collector. 😁
All of them had brought slight improvement but not drastic change.
But as soon as I inserted Puron Ac filter, it made background black with more details and clear bass.
The stereotimes review is spot on.
Encouraged by the result, I had ordered two more of them so that I can insert more of them close to amps and Dac.
Now my system got transformed with more vivid and clear sound stage but not overetched.
This is the best 750$ that I had spent during last 5 years in my audio system.
Thomas
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@jerryg123 I watched the video, thanks. The Akiko requires a significant amount of burn in time. Right out of the box, it's harsh and bright and the graininess is cringe worthy. After a few days, it begins to settle in but it probably needs a full two weeks to perform its best. The Akiko passive power conditioners require an even longer break in period. I'm not proselytizing Akiko but this test wouldn't be capable of testing the Akiko products fairly. Since Akiko and HiFi Cables are the only plugs that I own, I wouldn't know anything about the other companies. I will say that if these other plugs perform at their best right out of the box, that would certainly be an advantage. |
@goofyfoot I have a couple of Akiko passive filter in my systems also. I was just relaying what the video summary was. Scince going to LessLoss Firewire 640X's in my system the rest of the plugin filters are relegated to secondary systems. The LessLoss Firewire products cost much more and do that much more!
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@jerryg123 then maybe I ought to consider the Les Loss filters over any others. Thanks! |
totally agree with your experience on Akiko. As always, the answer to me doesn’t seem to be either or. Much rather a gradual approach to find out what’s best for what has resulted in the following approach to cleaning up the power: Akiki Audio fusebox holder, Blck Box and Tuning stick on the junction box for the separate spur as well as tuning chips on all power cables, AddPowr Symphony pro+PSU on the main power lead, Acoustiv Revive RPT4 distributor + Furutech NCF clearline on digital, battery power on phono. For completeness sake I run my router supported by an Add Powr Eau2 and use Acoustic Revive REM-8 EMI suppressors on all torroidal transformers in the system. Sounds messy? Well it took me over 15 years to fine tune and a whole box of discarded widgets at no small expense…Cleaning up the power is singularly important, hence the need for all the stuff above as well as a total of 6 highgrade linear power supplies serving dac, clock, 2 switches, the router and the Etherregen. |
@antigrunge2 I’ve had the same experience by trying certain plugs in a variety of places. For example, I have two XLR inputs on my DAC and by plugging an XLR Tuning Stick into the right channel, it renders a more forward presence while plugging it into the left channel, it renders a more relaxed presence. I opt for the more relaxed option given that my Quad ESL’s have a slightly forward sonic signature themselves. Also, by placing the triple enhancer in a variety of different outlets on my line conditioner, I’m given various choices. Fortunately my amplifier is battery powered, so that avoids the ac garbage on that end. In your opinion, is it possible that these higher quality, plug type filters, could potentially replace the need for a line conditioner at all? |
Tony, Good questions. Yes, each addition brought better sound quality in some way, otherwise I didn’t use it. When I ran my 3 dedicated lines, I used 10-gauge wire terminated in several quad wall outlets with Furutech outlets and with Oyaide covers. I also have several 4-8 outlet heavy aluminum junction boxes that I made with Furutech outlets/inlets and 10-gauge pure silver wiring. But most of my components are plugged into the Niagara's I am such a tweaker... ozzy |
So I removed 1st Puron and then 2nd Puron from my system…. I thought the difference would be minimal but wow I was wrong. The sound quality quickly degraded. It became so grainy and scratchy. Soundstage and image were unbearable that I had to plug them back in within an hour. PURONS ROCK
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I have no reason to doubt the efficacy of this product as I realized a positive SQ benefit with a Shunyata Venom Defender plugged into an outlet which also has my power conditioner plugged into. However, I don’t get these types of comments "It became so grainy and scratchy. Soundstage and image were unbearable that I had to plug them back in" One would think that if the system was this unbearable to listen to it would have been quite noticeable before installing the Puron, or anything like it.
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Not yet, I want to observe its raw, effectiveness and signature sounding first. As i shared previously on this thread, these Purons sound very similar to Q45-T… which means, warmer and fuller than NPS-1260 At the moment, It’s right on the money in my system. By Adding more Q-45T, I’m afraid my system would prob be too dark or too warm. Between you and me, Pete, this Puron is actually more effective than MC-05 and more beautiful sounding |
nasaman, I noticed your comment about the MC-05. What do you think of using both the HF MC-.05 and the Puron at the same time? Prefer one over the other? I am using both the (HF Helix Signature+) and the Puron’s at the same time. I have never removed the HF plug while using the Puron. I guess I could, but to me, the HF stuff takes time to break back in once unplugged. Once I get additional Puron’s I will no longer need to move them back and forth between my audio and video. Then, I probably will apply some NPS-1260. ozzy |
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Yup. I cannot help it…. your system must sound like schiit without one of your 127 tweaks 😂🤷♂️😉🤦♂️🧐😝
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@ozzy I have 5 of MC-05 and 2 of MC-1. I left them in when adding Purons in my system. The finding was posted here in this thread.
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@ozzy 😂😂. Good one. I deserved it. |
I received an email response from Akiko Audio regarding the break in period and their newest tuning stick. Here it is, The burn-in time of the tuning sticks is indeed about 14-21 days. You can add a Triple AC Evolution to your system. This new Triple has a completely different structure and goes well with the older version! It is a nice product, which offers a lot of quality, in my opinion. |
@antigrunge2 I believe there’s something to say about the fact that Akiko has been able to stay in business for such a long time. Not sure if that’s due to the cost and effectiveness of their products or if it says more about their savvy business practices but they were one of the first, if not the first to make these ac plugs. And I’ve found that by being anal about where I place the tuning sticks, that I’ve been able to finely tune the sound. I don’t doubt that other more recent products might perform better but the Akiko Sticks have worked for me. I may at this point however be more willing to try the Less Loss products. But has anyone tried the AC Triple Evolution? |
I have a Puron on the way. I have the Furutech device and never felt it did much in my system however. After watching the filter shootout video I was wondering if anyone has tried or would be willing to try plugging the Puron into an extension cord that could reach your listening position. Hoping this would emulate doing an AB comparison without relying on someone to help. From what I have read from Puron owners on this thread is the unit would only herd when pulled as seems its effects come on over time. Any thoughts or volunteers for this experiment? |
@antigrunge2 I have also and they work well. I have an NFC plug in and it is nowhere near the LessLoss Firewall 640X.
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Good Evening,
Per my note to everyone in the Puron queue, they did in fact arrive tonight on time.
Tomorrow they will begin shipping. Look for Tracking Numbers for those that have paid in the AM
There are more reviews coming – today, Aural Musings posted their excellent review on Facebook |
thyname, I wasn’t able to try them yesterday. Today is the first with 2 of them on the same dedicated circuit. So, with just a couple hours there seems to be more of everything. That is; bigger, deeper soundstage, stronger bass and for some reason the music seems to be a little louder at the same volume settings? ozzy |
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sgordon1, I tried the FoQ tape and at first, I liked it, but then I began to detect the closing in of the upper frequencies and the soundstage. So, I removed it. Question: Has anyone tried the Puron’s into a power conditioner? I initially tried the Puron’s plugged into my Niagara 7000 and did not like it. I even wrote a review about it. But now after many hours of working with them I have discovered certain things do not work well with the Puron’s. It’s not the Puron’s fault so just don’t be afraid to experiment. Thus far I have been plugging them into the wall where the conditioner plugs in. But next step will be the conditioner again. Anyone find they work better in or out of the power conditioner? ozzy |
So here is something that I have discovered with the Puron. I have just begun experimenting with them plugged into my AudioQuest Niagara 7000 power conditioner instead of at the wall and I have noticed a strange phenonium. I started by using 3 Puron’s plugged into each of the 3 sections of power outlets on the Niagara. That is: High power, Analog and Digital. To my surprise, the music is louder, quite a bit actually. I’m not sure if sonically it is an improvement at this early point, but the music is definitely louder. Can the Puron’s be affecting the circuitry inside the Niagara? I wish someone else with this power conditioner could chime in, or perhaps anyone who can help explain it. ozzy |