Teo Game-Changer IC's - get on the bus!
Well I received a refund for my purchase. Hey @ozzy sounds like the best solution and you got what you asked for... Come on, this is terrible! You've got to get better than this! They listened and re-imbursed you cause they were unable to meet your expectations - good on Teo. Enjoy those Cerious and High Fidelity cables - I'm sure they'll be pleased to have you as a customer. Happy listening. |
Muzikmann, Kclone, I didn’t get a chance to read the response from Taras22 before it was deleted but thank you for the support Well I received a refund for my purchase. I am quite surprised and disappointed. All I wanted was some communication and the opportunity to try the cables against my other highly regarded cables. ozzy |
Taras22, I don't think Ozzy deserves this. All he wanted was communication. I think that although you are extremely busy, you/co-worker should try and acknowledge to buyers via email that payment for an order has been received, and when buyers should expect to receive their order (and I would be very conservative). I would simply say that it may take from 3 to 6 weeks to receive an order, even if you know it will take a week. You can make this as a canned email that you copy and paste into new emails. I honestly don't think keeping one in suspense, with someone speaking on your behalf here that you are busy building cables is the best way. Please note that he is not the only one that has complained about this here. I hope you rescind your decision, as some of us were anxiously waiting to read Ozzy's impressions of the TEO compared to his Cerious and High Fidelity cables. |
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So it sounds as if the difference is similar to the difference between solid metal copper and silver cables. I'd say less than you're used to with copper and silver solid cables @meambler ; whereas silver was distinct from copper with traditional solid cables; liquid silver cables are more plosive than copper as a refinement. Solid silver cables can be very different from their copper counterparts from the same vendor in my experience. The difference between Splash Copper and Splash Silver is a refinement for those who want or prefer that slightly more defined edge to the sound. It's not as distinct a difference as you may expect. I find that silver offers more definition than copper, in a general sense. Agreed @jmcgrogan2 |
Ah, I see what you are saying @kclone - let us say you are sitting there listening to a wonderful recording on your GCs and really enjoying the music. Then you flip to another album and you say to yourself, "Oh, compared to the last album, this recording isn’t all that great!" whereas with lesser cables, you would not have noticed a difference. I have always found that to be the case. Back in the day you could adjust the sound of a bad recording with the use of a good equalizer separate. Can you still get a separate equalizer? When collecting albums I would look to see where a good recording was produced and then looked for other musicians under that label. I do like the GC's for the reason you stated bumperdoo... they make the great recordings that I liked before the GC's sound even better. The bad ones are improved slightly but they will always be just what they are... poorly produced. |
why would you want something in your system that shows everything how bad it is? Ah, I see what you are saying @kclone - let us say you are sitting there listening to a wonderful recording on your GCs and really enjoying the music. Then you flip to another album and you say to yourself, "Oh, compared to the last album, this recording isn’t all that great!" whereas with lesser cables, you would not have noticed a difference. The GCs will elevate your listening experience and will reveal more of the sound that you've likely been missing. Great albums will amaze you, ok albums will be just that, "Ok." Anyone experienced the difference between the Silver Splash and the Copper Splash? I have compared the Copper to the Silver Splash cables @jmcgrogan2 and they are very similar; I find the Silver gives you a little more definition. For example, if the artist is singing and using plosives like say the word "Play," the copper will give you all the definition, the silver just allows the sound to have more definition. I think of it as *seeing* the shaping of the plosive "P," coming from the singer’s mouth. If you have fast speakers, the subtlety is amazing. I love the sound of the copper but may be switching to the silvers - Taras and I did an A to B test last Friday and drew the above conclusion. |
Weak recordings and sub-standard equipment will show their short-comings rather quickly with these cables. There is no hiding... :) So it seems as if the Splash is quite different sounding than the GC cable then, huh? From what I've read, the GC seems to be a warm, full sounding cable. Anyone experienced the difference between the Silver Splash and the Copper Splash? I enjoy high resolution, but there is a point where I draw the line. I cannot listen to any grit, glare, or grain in the name of resolution. It is a very fine line to walk, but worthwhile if you can do it right, IMHO. Too much warmth can be as bad as too much resolution though. One makes you grind your teeth (resolution), one puts you to sleep (warmth). |
Excellent - now perhaps we can get back to the theme of this thread... Anybody want to update their experience with the product? I'm continuing to love my Splash an Standard cables @meambler - currently using the Splash Copper between my Meitner MA-1 DAC and Audio Valve Eklipse pre-amp and the standard between the pre and BHK 300 mono blocks. Absolutely loving what I'm hearing. It's all there - soundstage, speed, plosives... everything. Weak recordings and sub-standard equipment will show their short-comings rather quickly with these cables. There is no hiding... :) |
bumperdoo, Great line I’ll have to remember that one. aniwolfe, You make a good point. meanmbler, Unfortunately, patience is not my best virtue. And being ignored is even worse. More of an incentive for the seller, I believe if your not ready to ship then you shouldn’t accept the money until you are. ozzy |
Well tomorrow will be 9 business days since I ordered. Also, no replies to my email or my messages through the Audiogon system. @ozzy , that sounds a lot like the same complaints I read on that Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme cable thread that you started. Folks complaining about Bob Grost lack of speed and responsiveness. Same complaints on the Core Power Tech thread too. Maybe, if folks wouldn't start these threads praising the work of small, boutique manufacturers, they wouldn't get swamped and overloaded with work. Just a thought..... |
" I knew a guy once, you'd be at a bar with a group of people and someone would shout out, "Next round is on me!" and he'd say, "Too bad the beer isn't cold enough..."
More to the point: I knew a guy once, you'd be at a bar with a group of people and someone would shout out, "Who is the next round on?" But no one would answer. |
Come on, this is terrible! You've got to get better than this! @ozzy Come on buddy, it should be no surprise that Teo is slammed with orders. They can spend their time here telling people they are slammed and answering email or being busy hand-building your cable - which would you prefer? They are the most amazing ICs on the market today - your patience will be rewarded, trust me. Has anyone auditioned the speaker cables? Yes indeed @emailists - sublime. But I'd wait a bit before going there just now. With Ken's hand injury, the backlog of IC orders, and I know some exciting things are coming on the speaker cable end, I'd sit tight for a bit if you can? |
I have over 225 hours on the Splash. Things have really improved. I mentioned earlier the Duelunds were warmer, fuller, and yet still lively. The Splash has narrowed the gap in those areas, but is more clear, open, and definitely has a more a extended and pronounced bass. Stage is bigger with the Splash. On good to great recordings the Splash tends to scale up better than the Duelunds. Man, the good recordings sound fantastic with the Splash. On hot recordings or hard sounding recordings, it is close but I still prefer the two Duelunds. The Splash is a bit drier, perhaps because it is more clear if that makes any sense. The two Duelunds in the system are nice, very nice, there is definitely synergy with two of them in the system together. Now I want to see how having two Teo IC's in the system play together. For the record I had the Splash connected from the DAC to the Pre and the one Duelund from the pre to the amp. When the GC gets here on Monday I will probably just leave the Splash where it is and connect the GC to the between the. pre and amp. |
I have been auditioning different cables, Cerious Graphene Extremes, Amadi Maddies with 3 different connectors ( gold, silver, rhodium), Gabriel Gold Revelations v2, Morrow MA4. I'm using them to connect an Oppo BDP 105D to a Coda CSIB integrated. When I got the Cerious Graphenes I also got one of their Blue power cords for the Oppo. I will be keeping the Graphene Blue Power cord. It made a big difference in improving the sound quality with all the cables. So @kclone I think bumperdoo's suggestion about cleaning up your power source holds true. Until I received the Game Changers I thought the the Graphenes would be the end of my quest. I was thinking that I may want to continue the search... but now I know I'm done. I'm not one seeking to spent $1000's of dollars on one interconnect so I doubt I'll be moving up the Teo product chain unless down the line I find a great deal on a used one or hit the lottery. Bottom line my ears love the way these Game Changers allow me to hear my music like I have never heard it before. So much more detail, depth of sound stage, instrument placement, and zero ear fatigue... even on the recordings that tortured my ears before... especially on the high end. |
well, it doesn’t sound harsh with everything, it depends on what you are listening too. The Deulunds ICs in both spots along with the rest of my gear, it’s not there at all. So the rest of my system is okay. Besides, I have Proac D48s and McIntosh DAC, Preamp, Amp. Not hard sounding or bright gear. So I voiced my system to enjoy rock and pop. Bumperdoo, you may be on to something, I will check to make sure everything is connected tight. I do remember being in a hurry and anxious to get them connected and my not have done right. I will get some time in tonight and report back, again I will have 200 hours or more on them by tonight. Maybe things have smoothed out a little since. |
I had that *moment* about 1/2 hr. after I hooked them up. Can't wait to hear what's gonna happen after 70hrs or so. Totally amazing eh @meambler honestly, "that day" has not come yet with the Spash. Hmmm... I may be stating the obvious @kclone but have you loosened the barrels on the WBT connectors, slide them onto the components, then finger tightened the barrels? On first blush, me thinks the connectors may be vibrating if not connecting properly resulting in the harsh sound you're hearing. I'm sitting here with Taras auditioning a pair of silver Splash cables that will be en-route to a customer tonight and "harsh," is not a word that comes to mind, even playing something like Howling Wolf. Let us know! |
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honestly, "that day" has not come yet with the Spash. The two Duelund ICs sound fuller, more warm in my system and with just as much liveliness. Dealing with a little hardness/harshness with the Splash in combination with the Duelund. I have the silver version of the Splash. I listen to a lot of pop/rock and am sensitive to harsh sound. Unfortunately, a lot of my favorite music is not the best recordings and I use hot tracks (like the Replacements Let it Be Album) to test ICs and other gear to see how they handle it. When a singers voice hurts my ears and makes me want to leave the room I know the IC or whatever gear or cables is not the right fit. A lot of gear and cables can sound outstanding on the good recordings, so I don't use those to test with. Anyway, I am hoping things smooth out by adding another Teo to the chain. By tonight, I should have around 200 hours on the Splash, but I actually haven't heard system my since the 125 hour mark. |
Ordered mine on 4/24, so that makes it around 17 days and counting. Called Ken today... sorry to bug you again Ken :-)....they should be leaving early next week. So I should see them, maybe, around day 24.... All I can say is get well soon Ken. Sorry to hear about the broken wrist. Don't worry so much about pitching your future products. Stay in touch with your customers. And don't over-promise anything. |
I have a broken hand/wrist that I over-estimated the condition of the healing, when this order thing started to take off. I was forced to slow it down, against my will. The alternative was to damage my hand/wrist even more than it already is (from my being ’attacked’ by a car in a parking lot), by ignoring the inflammation created by over-working it. I was going to mention that in my earlier post, but decided against it. Additionally, your GC was purposely put on the back-burner, as your splash Rs was moved to get to you as soon as possible (as an earlier order). So the 32 days is unrealistically high and you are the only one who has experienced such an extreme delay, on that second cable. |
hopefully we will see some more reviews coming in. I have about 150 hours on the Splash IC but don't want to comment further on the sound until the GCs get here, which should be tomorrow (May 12) and get some hours under them. Teo, I would be conservative on what you tell people. Your ad said 9 business days when I ordered the GC, but it was 32 days total. |
To everyone who is waiting for a Game Changer... be patient... they have been slammed and are trying their best to accommodate all the orders. I placed mine about the middle of April and it got to me 2 days ago. All I can say is that it was WELL WORTH THE WAIT!!! I can now get of the cable-go-round. Thanks TEO! |
