Tekton Double Impacts


Anybody out there heard these??

I have dedicated audio room 14.5x20.5x9 ft.  Currently have Marantz Reference CD/Intergrated paired to Magnepan 1.7's with REL T-7 subs.  For the vast majority of music I love this system.  The only nit pick is that it is lacking/limited in covering say below 35 hz or so.  For the first time actually buzzed the panel with an organ sacd. Bummer.  Thought of upgrading subs to rythmicks but then I will need to high pass the 1.7's.  Really don't want to deal with that approach.

Enter the Double Impacts.  Many interesting things here.  Would certainly have a different set of strengths here.  Dynamics, claimed bottom octave coverage in one package, suspect a good match to current electronics.

I've read all the threads here so we do not need to rehash that.  Just wondering if others out there have FIRST HAND experience with these or other Tekton speakers

Thanks.
corelli
Just dropping in after a long hiatus from audio due to a new baby. Sometimes you just stop listening and forget how magical music can be especially with DI's and an LM508 lying dormant.

It all unfolded when my buddy from work stops by unannounced with a surprise gift, and I suggest "Hey, you've never heard my system". Let's do this I told myself, I haven't listened for 6 months! I had the herbies giant glider footers installed but I never recalibrated. After that night I was reinspired. Picked up some bass traps and panels used that weekend and got a new usb cable. Also recalibrated after careful speaker repositioning with REW bass response measurements.

The footers and room treatments brought a large improvement. The Curious Cable improved even further. Realism of instruments, vocals, soundstaging is stunning. Bass is super tight. Thoughts of bringing a subwoofer in are dashed. This LM508ia is a beast, and what a beautiful pairing with the DI's!

This is the thread that lured me back into audio, selling all my gear and building a do it all music genre tube amp / DI speaker system.

Thank you david_ten, waltersalas, grannyring and many others for inspiration and wise guidance. 
@sathtom  Thanks. I did a quick read up on the amp and it will work fine in terms of powering the DIs.

I, of course, do not know your preferences however (for my sensitivities) I would look to pair it with the DI-BE version or the SEs, which can be had used at reasonable prices. I say this because the MA252 / DI is more of a like-like pairing. The BE version or the SEs with the MA252 will likely be more balanced. Again, my opinion. 
@sathtom Do you own the McIntosh MA252 or are you considering it?
@david_ten: I am considering it. I want to pick a speaker & Amp that should work properly for many years. As Mcintosh Amps lasts long and also because of its reputation I am interested in the cheapest Amp (MA252) of Mcintosh.
Hi All,
I am a newbie in Audio. I am looking for stereo setup for my room (22 ft long x 15 ft wide x 10 ft high). I have been following Tekton Double Impact (including this Thread) and very much impressed on the reviews. I like Mcintosh MA252 Integrated Amplifier but it has mixed reviews, one of the cons is it doesn't pair well with medium sensitvity speakers. I know DI is a High sensitivity speaker but I want to know if anyone has tried DI with MA252..?

Thanks.

@vidiot33       My hat is off to you--that's quite a read. Perhaps not War and Peace, but still an accomplishment.

Many pages back there was an individual who had space issues and went with the Impact Monitors.  He actually bought a pair of REL subs I had for sale (back when I first bought my DI's) and he was very pleased with the result. Many people would probably be happy without subs. Honestly, I don't think you can go wrong with any of the above choices as they all share the critical tweeter array.  But if I wanted a full range all in one package I would lean towards the Electron SE's.  Wish I could tell you I've heard them all--I haven't.  Just a gut feeling that they are well worth the cost.  Then there is the Perfect SET to consider.  What electronics will you be using? 
Hi:
Just completed reading this entire thread: quite an education! I respect very much the generally cordial tone expressed here and the excitement is absolutely contagious! I’ve also read all I could find about Tekton speakers (and all YouTube videos), so I think I have a pretty good handle on them. I also auditioned a pair of DI’s a couple of years ago and it’s probably the greatest demonstration I’ve ever heard. 
  At any rate, I see this thread has been silent for awhile, so I hope it’s still active. I’m downsizing, moving to a small condo. If not for that, I believe I’d have gone with a pair of the new Moabs, as they seem to me to be the greatest bang for the buck at this time. Alas, my much smaller new space will not accommodate them (or even DI’s). So my question to you guys is: should I go for the Impact Monitors or the Electrons? I like floor standers and I believe midbass might be better on them, but there is the cost consideration (if I go with the Electon SEs, they are actually more expensive than the DI’s). The room they are going on is about 12” wide, 16” long, haven’t measured the ceilings, but probably not much over 8 feet high. It’s on the second floor and is really a living room and kitchen combined. I’d greatly appreciate any thoughts on what’s the best choice would be on my situation: Impact Monitors, Electrons or Electons SE.
many thanks!
@jaytor The Double Impacts have a large (3D area) ’sweet spot’ for listening positions. The DI-SEs even more so than the DIs. A performance attribute I loved about the SEs.

I worked with the SEs more extensively (to get them ’dialed’ in) so the same may be true for the DI base versions.

So I disagree with the PF "findings’ on off-axis response you point out in your post.

This is an area and feature/benefit of the DIs/DI-SEs that is superior to my Cube Audio Nenuphars.

I cannot comment on the Moab as I have not heard them. All Ulfberths (3) that I have heard had a large ’sweet’ spot (in other folks’ systems and rooms). The double tweeter array may behave differently than the single array.

@teajay would be a great resource on this.

FWIW: My room is 19 ft (front wall) by 26 ft by 9ft. Very close in size to yours. And I also (at times) sat 12 feet from the speaker plane.
I've read through (or at least scanned) this entire thread over the past month and I'm pretty intrigued by these speakers (or perhaps the Moabs).

One area that I don't recall being discussed much is how directional these speakers are. Steve Lefkowicz's review on positive-feedback.com mentions that these speakers are highly directional implying limited off-axis response (at least in the midrange). This doesn't seem to jive with the Stereophile measurements of the Impact Monitors. 

I realize that every speaker is going to sound it's best in the ideal seating position (and from what I've read, the DIs are pretty stellar in this regard), but is it possible to get respectable imaging for two or three listeners sitting on a sofa?

I'd be using these in a fairly large room (about 19' x 27' x 8'), so distance to the speakers could be 12' or so.

Thanks.
@holley   Thank you for your comprehensive, thorough and detailed comparison and impressions of both speakers. These comparisons are tough to do and time consuming, as are the write-ups. Thanks also for taking the time and effort and for sharing your findings!!!
@bstatmeister - Audio Advisor states the Nuforce STA200 is not compatible with 4 ohm speakers, so you would need to talk with Eric at Tekton and specifically request a different impedance than the base model. 
I have followed this forum since its beginning, and have been pondering whether I should give the Double Impacts a shot. I currently have a pair of Zu Definition IIIs that transformed my musical enjoyment past any of my previous systems, but the accolades for the DIs finally got the best of me. I purchased a pair about 7 months ago, and as luck would have it, my wife and I decided it was time to downsize and put our house on the market the next week! At any rate, after 5 months of looking at 2 huge boxes, the past 2 months I have had a chance to put them through their paces and compare them to the Definitions.

First off, as all of us audiophiles have experienced, the room has as much impact on the sound of music as any piece of equipment (maybe more actually). Our new (old) house that we purchased allowed for some remodeling, and I was able to build a 26' x 14' listening room (it also has vaulted ceilings). Compared to our previous house, where I had a loft that was 35' x 15' x 8', the difference in soundstage and 'openness' is staggering. Even my wife, who rarely listens to music, commented on how much better the Zus sounded. "The band is in the room."

I am powering the speakers with the Lyngdorf TDA-2170 (special thanks to Grannyring and others who kept lauding that piece so much that I had to give it a try). That unit replaced amp, preamp and DAC, netted me a decent chunk of change, and provided increased enjoyment and satisfaction. I setup both the Zus and the DIs with the 2170, and achieved a 99% room analysis with 13% room correction. I then had several audiophile friends over and we ran through music ranging from hard rock to classicial to country to jazz to Christian contemporary to blues. Some spectacular recordings, some not so good -- we wanted to see if there were some recordings that simply did not sound good on the speakers.

I have been an audiophile for about 35 years, and while not near the experience of many contributing to these forums, I have had my fair share of speakers over the years (Infinity RS3B, Snell A IIIi, Legacy Signature IIIs and Focus 20/20, Tyler Super Towers, PD30s and Decade D1s, Zu Omen Defs, and Tyler Lore, Lore 2.0, and Pendragon), and have heard many other systems. I currently still have the Tekton Lore's, and consider them the best bang for the buck speaker I have ever owned.

Let me start by saying both sets of speaker sound fantastic, and I could happily live with either (note the Zus retailed for $7500, and the DIs $3300). They are actually very similar in sound, with that dynamic, live, open sound. Both throw a huge soundstage, with the Zus offering slightly more width, and the DIs more depth. Both are full-range speakers, easily reaching the low 20's in my room. Top-notch recordings were spectacular on both, and even mediocre recordings were still enjoyable on both. Here is my quick summary of the differences, and my own, personal preferences (YMMV of course!).

System (pretty basic, nothing exotic): Lyngdorf TDA-2170, Auralic Aries streamer, IBIS speakers cables (for the Definitions), Grannyrings recommended Western Electric 10ga for the DIs (what a bargain!)

Soundstage - I would rate this a tie, with as I mentioned above, the Zus offering slightly more width and the DIs a little more depth. For being so large with so many drivers, I was surprised at how easily the DIs disappeared. Both speakers gave a realistic presentation.

Bass - Both plum the depths, but I give a slight edge to the Zus. They have a built-in subwoofer amp with a decent amount of customization, and as a result the bass was slightly cleaner, quicker. "Mekossa Beat" by Don Gruisin from GRPs 30th Anniversary digital master will easily reveal deficiencies in bass, and both speakers did a fabulous job on this song. Rick Braun's "Cadillac Slim" is also a good test of dynamic bass.

Midrange - This was actually a surprise to me. Looking at the DIs one would think integrating all of those tweeters and midranges would be a nightmare, but they sound very cohesive, leaning every so slightly to the warm side. Female vocals were really something, with detail and 'liquidity' that is really special. Male vocals were equally engaging. One song that I have heard hundreds of times, "Your Latest Trick" by Dire Straits really shows off the DIs midrange strength (in 1985, this was one of the best available recordings, and has become my 'go-to' song when evaluating systems). Knopler's voice and guitar float through the air, and the saxophone in the background has just enough grit to make you feel like the band is in the room with you.

Listening to the Zus, everything the DIs excelled in was there, but the Definitions had more energy and dynamics. This translated into slighty more body and heft, and seemed to bring me a little closer to the live event. Mind you it was subtle, but apparent. This did make the speakers sound slightly more forward, but I ultimate preferred the midrange of the Zus. Carrie Underwood's rendition of "How Great Thou Art" from the Country music awards highlighted the power and energy of the Zus midrange.

Highs - Up until a couple of years ago, this was the one area of the Zus could become slightly fatiguing. I upgraded the tweeter crossovers with Clarity MR caps, and after they had time to burn in, the slight harshness disappeared. The DIs were again stellar. They are not overly analytical (read hi-fi sounding), but I definitely never felt like I was missing detail in the music. In fact, several times those listening with me would comment that they heard things in recordings they had brough with them they had never heard before. The Zus are also not highly analytical, not the last word in detail, but never do I feel like I am missing something. I would call this area a tie.

Low-level listening - This is an area both speakers excel. While both will play at ear bleeding levels, listening at night at low volumes one still gets a full-bodied, well-rounded sound. The soundstage also retains most of its grandeur at low levels. I would rate this as a tie as well.

Enjoyment factor - One of those intangible areas is how much I enjoy listening to music. Both of these speakers filled this niche for me. I can always tell a good speaker if I find myself tapping along with the music. With both the DIs and the Defs, I would start listening to a song, critically analyzing details and tone, but would find myself a few minutes later simply listening and tapping along with the music. Neither speaker was fatiguing. Nothing disappoints me more than listening to a speaker that after an hour or so starts to 'grind' on me. Both the DIs and the Defs were listened to hours at a time, often at levels much higher than sane people would listen, and I never felt the desire to turn down the volume due to high-end grunge.

Appearance - Neither speaker is something to write home about as they are pretty much rectangular boxes. Surprisingly, my wife did not think the DIs were ugly, and while large, they didn't overpower or dominate the room.

Ease of setup - I would give this to the DIs. They sounded good in just about any location, and subtle improvements could be gained with slight adjustments. The Zus also sound very good just about anywhere, but they can achieve substantial gains with slight adjustments. They require a lot more fiddling than the DIs, but if you are patient, you will be rewarded.

Ultimately, after listening now to speakers for the better part of 2 months and getting them setup in the room, I would say I prefer the sound of the Zus. But that doesn't imply I did not like the DIs - far from it. They do so many things right, better than most speakers costing several times their modest price. All those listening with me were equally impressed. The midrange of the Zus is just special to me -- they give a realism that most speakers cannot equal (a business associate of mine has a pair of the Infinity IRS Vs, and they give that same 'you are there' realism - he also has about $75k in associated equipment - I could live with his system!). The DIs do a great job of this as well, but the Zus do it slightly better. I must add that the Lyngdorf and the Zus are a special combination (the 2170 works very well with the DIs as well, though I didn't get to try other amps with the DIs).

For those on the fence about the DIs, I would highly recommend giving them a try. For the price, I have not heard any speakers that do so many things well without any real shortcomings. And I would add, as someone who owned the Pendragons for several months, the DIs are an entirely different animal, in an entirely different league. I struggled to get the Pens to sound cohesive, and the midrange did not have the power and tonal balance that the DIs have.


Anyone powering their DI's with a Nuforce STA200? I'm thinking this combo might be particularly good
I suspect with a tube amp, the 8 ohm version will afford a better match with less alteration of frequency response.

Eric feels that the 4 ohm version is best suited to solid state amps. I would wonder if there might be a tad better dynamics/slam but you really would have to ask Eric as few if any of us have compared the two versions.


Hi, folks!

There will be any sonic changes amog 8 and 4ohms DI version?

Whats the tradeoffs of each specs?
Thanks Kristofa! yep that Mike Oldfield CD is a real gem. For those who don't know, it is a 1 hour long track, where the melody, pace, rhythm, instrumentation is constancy changing, so it really keeps you on your toes. On top of this, it is probably the best example of Dynamic Range I've ever heard in a recording.

And, I'm still thinking about those DIs. I'm flabbergasted. Thanks to you my speaker journey is coming to an end. I've found the speaker for me and don't need to restlessly search anymore. Plus, you saved me from driving to LA to drop some cash for a used pair of Vandy 3As. Thanks again.

@bstatmeister - it was a real pleasure having you over for the audition, and I am glad it was a positive one in relation to how the DIs compared with the many other brands and models you have been auditioning lately. Also, thanks for turning me on to Mike Oldfield’s Amarok as a demo disc!


@klh007 - thanks for pointing me to the Moabs! I want to hear both the Encores and Moabs now, as I can imagine the strengths of each configuration after living with the DIs for about a year and a half. And with @david_ten stating the Uthberts sound wonderful in a 12x16x8 room, I am less concerned about the negative effects my 7’ ceiling would have on either model.


@bstatmeister Congratulations on your successful audition!!! : )

@smodtactical I believe @audioezra ’s room is very close to the dimensions of your room and his Ulfberth BEs sounded wonderful (and continue to).  And yes, they will "best" the DIs.
Anyone here with the ulfberhts or heard them? Also who have heard them with the beryllium drivers ?

I'm thinking of getting a pair for my bedroom lol, 12x16x8 ft . Eric said they would best the DI even in my small space.
OK, did the DI demo today with a big shout out to the gracious forum member (not sure if he wants to be identified). But hands down this is my new gold standard. As far as comparisons with Vandersteen, it actually reminds me a lot of that type of sound, just a notch or 2 above it (just more of it if that makes sense) - including the Treo CTs. (Keep in mind I have not heard the Quatros, 5As or 7s). There is nothing I did not like, it did everything extraordinarily well from top to bottom. Thunderous palpable bass, liquid mids (oh man the mids...) and that high-end sparkle you crave in a high-end audiophile speaker. Eric is building something SPECIAL here folks. I wasn't a Tekton fan boy before, but I am one now. Now time to convince the wife. Not gonna give in until the UPS pallet arrives at my door....Holy Smokes!
kristofa, The Moab model has the 15 tweeter array like the Encore but in a smaller/shorter package.
Marigo Audio in Washougal WA has them. You'll have to book an appointment, however
Who has the Encores in their showroom, @bstatmeister? You mentioned they were a couple of hours drive from you. I would love to hear these after seeing jcarcopo’s gorgeous red ones and get a taste of that extra 15% in transparency. My 7’ ceilings may force me to only consider them after I move to a more appropriate room for them though.
Good to know, thanks for the insight jcar! Looking forward to hearing these. I will be getting a chance tomorrow from a gracious forum member. We will be playing some Dire straights, Toto and perhaps some Mike Oldfield.

My main comparison will be against the Vandersteen sound (I've heard up to the Treos, which are my current gold standard). Can't wait to see if the Treos get dethroned.
@bstatmeister I have the Encores, but previously had the DIs. They are better in bass response and have entirely different and larger long throw 11" woofers vs the high efficiency accordion-type surround paper pro-audio 10" woofers in the DIs.  This makes the speaker a bit less efficient, require a bit more power to achieve the same volume level, but produces more prodigious bass.  The mid-bass drivers are a refined French driver and cost about $200 a piece.  The MTM array uses higher quality tweeters that cost about $100ea for the Encores which goes 1 octave lower than the DIs covering 300hz-20khz seamlessly and coherently.  What I noticed more with the encore's array is more transparency, detail, and an even better sound-stage. The Encores disappear easily and produce even more of electrostatic wall of sound effect.  The DIs are very good for the money and I highly recommend them at their price to performance value.  You will get at least 85% of the Encores in the DIs IMHO. GLWYS
I'm interested in the DI big time, so far, I have not found anyone near me that has a pair I can demo. Fortunately, I found a dealer a few hours away who actually has the Encores in his showroom. At a quick glance the Encores look very similar to the DIs except for an extra tweeter array and slightly bigger mid-bass drivers. If I hear the encores, will it be a good representation of what the I could expect with the DI? Are the sound signatures similar enough? (obviously the Encore is the better speaker here).
I am using a Linear Tube Audio preamp (MZ2) and amplifier (Ultralinear) to feed my DIs. I am highly satisfied with the result. In particular, the detail, dynamics, tonal balance and soundstage seem natural.
Nothing published that I know of. The impedance curve dan be measured on your own for $100, DATS V2.
The curve has roughly 5 peaks and dips below 4 ohms a couple of times around 100 as I recall.
To my knowledge, there are no published measurements.  I would expect the DI's to measure similarly to the monitors but with greater low end extension.  Will they reach their published sensitivity? Highly doubt it.  The vast majority of speakers do not.  Nothing new there.  Sensitivity does not the whole story tell.  Other factors come into play in determining how a given speaker will perform with lower powered tube electronics.  And it's a fact that many on this thread have been thrilled by what the DI's can do with 300b or 2a3 SE amps.  
Well, I thought we had measurements for DOUBLE IMPACTS , not Impact Monitors.
Does anyone know if the Double Impact speakers have been measured , or published anywhere ?
"I kept coming back to that superbly even on-axis response"

You mean that measurement, right.
+2 for Aric Audio! His gear is first rate, and his client service is equally great. I have the original Motherlode preamp and it continues to impress me and all those who see and hear it.

robt22 check out GIK Acoustics website for help with your room.You can upload pics and dimentions of your room and they will help you figure it out.No obligation to buy anything and a generous return policy of you decide to try some treatments.
If you're interested in trying tubes consider trying a preamp first to get a taste of that tubey magic:)+1 for Aric Audio.Email Aric sometime and discuss your requirements.He's a super nice guy and never pressures you to purchase.
Something to try with your speakers is to toe  them in quite a bit so the direct sound is crossing about a foot in front of the sweet spot.Good luck and enjoy!
@robt22 if you are interested in tube gear I recommend Aric Audio. I don’t know what his return policy is but he hits a lot of price points and many have had good results mating his gear with tekton. I have his Mother Load pre and the Special Push Pull amp and am very happy. 
Room tweaks seem to be very intimidating to me. I have a decent size room but to the left of the left speaker is perpendicular to a hallway and parallel to an open stairwell. The wall running parallel along the right speaker has a large window and then a double glass door. Also a large window on the back wall. Figured I’d start with curtains but there really is a big void in the front to the left of the left speaker. I also feel a couple subs or 4 are in order and would love to hear some tubes with these speakers after all the rave reviews. I have never listened to a tube component so will probably get one with a generous return plan in case I can’t live with it. Mostly listen to rock/pop/dance however every type of music I’ve played on the DI’s sound special. 
@robt22 
Not sure on what I should congratulate you on first--the new DI’s or reading the entire thread!
One of these days maybe I’ll read the whole thing--I’m sure it would bring many smiles. It has been a fun journey shared with a great group of individuals.
As you are finding out, the DI’s are very transparent and they readily reveal the gear you place upstream. My DI’s sounded good right out of a very cold box, and they just keep getting better as you tweak your system and room. So I encourage you to experiment with these variables and am sure your speakers will bring you years of enjoyment.
Glad this thread was helpful!
Wow!  Finally got to the end of this thread. Started reading in October. Ordered the DI’s on New Year’s Eve and they arrived about one month later. Grills came another month later-no biggie as I think they sound much better without. 

In the meantime I’ve upgraded to a parasound hint6 from a zamp. Huge improvement there. Also went from 14ga bare wire to audio quest type 8. 
Mostly stream Qobuz and cds on a 20 yo Sony 5 disc changer.

I am in heaven with this system. 
Wish I would have gotten into this game 20 years ago but I settled on a pair of Cerwin Vega 3ways ran with a pioneer avr. I always knew I was missing something and now I know. 
i appreciate everyone’s knowledge and opinions on here. Thank you!
Hi Tim. This goes back 6 months, so things may have changed. I was very keen on upgrading my SE speaker tweeter array to a BE array, after hearing the Ulfberth BEs. At that time, Eric said it wasn’t possible (SE specific). You may want to check with him. Plus, he should be in the best position to describe the differences between the standard and BE tweeter array.

Let us know what you find out!
Hi. @david_ten !

Actually, my question should have been, "Has as anyone heard the Double Impact SE vs Double Impact BE?"

to all,

I saw, on the current Double Impact page of the Tekton site, where addition of the Beryllium Tweeters was a +$3500 option.  

If I were interested in upgrading my DI SEs... Is the difference in sound quality, the Beryllium Tweeters add, REALLY worth $3500?

Thanks to All for all the advice You have contributed to this thread.

tim.
Looking forward to it teajay.  No one is in a better position to comment on how this compares to Tektons other models.
Hey Tom,

Just talked to Eric this week and the review pair of the Moab Speakers should be ready to ship by the end of next week.  I'm looking forward to it and my reviews for Six Moon are posted almost immediately when I send them to Srajan.  So, I'm ready to hear Eric's latest creation and write the review!
Would be curious if anyone has a chance to listen to the Moabs.  This seems like another extremely high value offering.  It offers what I assume is a simpler crossover which might offer some advantages.  It's weight is not as high as what I originally thought but it does visually dwarf the DI on Eric's video.  Will look for the pending review that david_ten noted.

Looks like someone started a Moab thread which was removed--no doubt due to the likes of __________.