Tekton DIs or Legacy Focus SEs?

Legacy's by a long shot! I have owned both this past year and the DI's are no where as refined and as dynamic for the type of music you listen to. And if looks matter to you, its kinda like the beauty and the beast. There is a pretty large difference in cost, but worth it for the Legacy's. IMHO.

I've got the DI's and agree with the Charles, Tom and Bill. The Raven Blackhawk tube integrated provided plenty of sparkle, vocals were amazingly textured, palpable. The bass hasn't fully broken in so hard to say. I can imagine that an AMT provides more air. "Neutral" is the most accurate term that comes to mind regarding the DI's

Bill, for clarity sake what "state" of the DI are you referencing above the base product you received, or the version after you highly modified it?

Any good pair of speakers worth their salt should reveal the micro details and disappear IMO.  

Bill,
Good points, the AZ Crescendo has a ribbon tweeter and I'd say it sounds warmer than the Double Impacts.  Honestly I like both of these speakers very much. The Legacy appealed less to me but this is simply my taste. Surely someone else could definitely prefer the Legacy.  This is the beauty of High End audio, something for everyone. Plenty of good audio product available. 
Charles 

Now we need to find out when those DI’s were made? Maybe those were a warm batch? Right Bill? :)

Thanks for the clarification Dave. We both agree that they are both great speakers......even if I don't agree that DI's are on the warm sice ;) That's what makes audio so much fun, we all have our perceived notions and it's all good. 

Have the DI's gone up in price? Mine were $3700 fully upgraded with high gloss automotive paint. I wouldn't be surprised if they have.

 Raven amps are voiced using Legacy speakers as they are authorized Legacy dealers and use both Legacy and the DI's in their showroom and at shows. So I believe I heard the Legacys at their best. Like I said, great speakers but I preferred the DI's. No right or wrong and you can't lose with either but I had to choose one as the wife wasn't down with two pair of speakers that size! Maybe I should tell her I have the DI SE's on order.......or maybe not just yet ;)

I just don’t want the poster or reader here to think the DI speaker is a warm sounding speaker. Nothing wrong with warm at all. Just hoping for the best info for potential buyers.  It is neutral, not warm. If you are suggesting they are warm compared to the Legacy speaker, then you can make that point. The seven tweeter array with its crossover points and design is not warm, but rather revealing, neutral. And completely natural. You may be confusing warm with natural. The DI speaker has amazing presence and immediacy revealing micro details missed before. It does this without “firing” this detail at you. Rather it fills your listening space naturally. It is not aggressive, but let’s you enjoy the details in a completely natural manner. Your gear can fine tune this speaker to lean towards warmth or brilliance. 

Also I have heard dome tweeters sound bright and ribbon tweeters sound rather sweet and warmish.....AZ Cresendo speakers for example. The crossover design and part choices play a bigger role here.

Mac Cohocks is looking at the Signatures which are $7k vs $4.3 for the Tektons.

The Legacy Signatures are very up to par with the larger Focus, the difference is the amount of deep bass and a slightly bigger soundstage and the Focus play louder, but other than that the two speakers sound the same.

In terms of warm, yes the Tekton's are warm, in fact most soft dome tweeters made by anyone tend to be on the smooth ie warm and slightly recessed side of sound, while ribbon tweeters, AMT, and exotics Ie Beryilium, or Diamond tweeters tend to the high resolution side of the sonic specturm which can also be a good or bad thing depending on how they are matched. 

I heard the DI on $60k worth of very high end electronics and they sounded great, but were definately on the warmer side of the spectrum also on the Zotel amps same thing. The speakers do have a characther, as I mentione before they the Tekton's sound fanastic as well and we are looking to bring in the Tekton Di SE as well.

Mac I don't know if the amps you had worked well with the Legacy's or your system wasn't voiced to bring out what the Legacy's do. 

I will still contend my findings are pretty accurate between the two speakers, this is a battle of the ages, for both systems are terrific and each one has its own strengths which I summarized before. 

As I commented before warm isn't a bad thing at all, it is how Eric voiced the speakers. compare these to a set of speakers with any of the above drivers and you will come away with the warm side of neutral.

As per the Legacy's working in a small room our demo room is 18 by 14 which isn't a giant room and they sound fanastic. 

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ

One can tell the innate character of a speaker if their system is close to neutral and they have heard several flavor of speakers on said system. Also, if a speaker is warm sounding, like my previous AZ Crescendos, one would be hard pressed to find a combo of gear that makes them sound bright. Darn near impossible with most decent gear. I have found all speakers show their personality with decent gear. Hard pressed to make a speaker completely change its color with good gear. Sure, you can fine tune things.  

Just to clarify I was using Odyssey Kismet Monoblocks and a Raven Audio Blackhawk when comparing the Focus SE's and DI's. Both amps had plenty of power to drive the Legacys. I don't think there is any way either the LTA MZ2 or the Aric Audio 300B SET that I'm using now would be able to adequately drive the Focus SE's like they do with the DI's. 

I certainly wouldnt characterize the DI's as warm at all. Like many here have already stated I consider them very neutral and they will convey whatever is upstream of them. 

Youre in a no lose situation with these speakers cohicks, but with the DI's at less than $4k and the Focus SE's at nearly $12k it should make your decision easier ;) I don't have any experience with the Legacy Signatures but can't imagine they are quite up to par with the Focus SE's or the DI's.

Lastly, my DI's sound great in a relatively small room.....about 13'x17'..... as they simply disappear. They may be physically large but can be as sonically large or small as you desire. I found them much more forgiving with room placement than the Legacys also, making them easier to place in a smaller environment. 

@ cohicks4

Just worried about the bass output. My listening room is 11' wide by 20' long. so the speaker will have to be 7-8 feet apart to not sound terrible from wall proximity.

My room is about 17 feet by 16 feet, but the couch is in the middle, its an open kitchen/living room.  With the Signatures, the speakers are around 35" from the front wall and 8 feet apart, and I'm 8 feet from the speakers. They are also about 4 feet from the side walls. These aren't ported, so you can set them up pretty close to the walls, they also have trim switches to cut the bass and treble by 2dB depending on your listening position if you find either to be overwhelming.  I have them turned off. At the nearfield listening position, the sound is perfect. None of the bandwidth is overwhelming. I did buy my pair from Dave, and it was a great experience. If you are comparing versus the base Tekton, they differ a lot in price, so I don't know if that's a good comparison. I'd find a dealer to listen to the Legacy's and perhaps find someone at Audiogon close to you who may provide a home audition. You can't decide without listening to these speakers.

Doug +1

I agree pretty much with what everyone has said about the tonal aspects of the Tekton Speakers. While I do not have the DI’s, I have the Electrons (compact version of DI’s). My take is that I can make them sound warm, neutral or bright very easily. Speaker wires have a HUGE influence just like amplifiers do. I am now using Wireworld Eclipse 5.2 speaker cables on them. The first thing that people say when they hear my system is "Sounds Warm". Basically Tekton speakers can be tonally changed to sound like whatever you desire rather easily.

The voicing of speakers is to a large extent dependent upon the rest of the system components and cabling. No one can tell you the innate character of the speaker if they have only heard it in one system. 

"Based on my listening the sound can really change depending on the chosen amplifier. " This is true of all speakers. 

Bill (grannyring),
Agree às we both know  audio opinions are by default relative and subjective. Different listeners will have varying impressions, goes with the territory so to speak. This is exactly why if at all possible you have to hear these speakers or any audio product when the opportunity exists.
Charles

Well your opinion differs from mine on the DI voicing. It is certainly not warm in the least. It is more on the neutral continuum . But, great to read different takes.  Warm speakers include AZ Crescendo and Harbeth 40.1s, both of which I owned. I now own the DIs and they are certainly not warm like these others. I suppose it is all relative to one’s experience with a wide range of speakers. 

Guys heard the Tektons at 2 different setups they are on the warm side of neutral not a bad thing they do not have the treble detail of an amt or ribbon type tweeter but compared to many speakers  which can be too anaylitical Eric did a fantastic job of voiceing the speakers.

Warm means softer treble more pronounced mids. Again two different setups same conclusion.,

Great speakers and a great deal.

It will just depend on what you value between these two superb speakers.

If you want your jaw to hit the floor listen to the Legacy with a nuprime amp the combo is freaking amazing brings out the bass & dynamics.

Add tube pre & viola.

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor Nj

I am also considering the Legacy Signatures for their size to room size ratio. Just worried about the bass output. My listening room is 11' wide by 20' long. so the speaker will have to be 7-8 feet apart to not  sound terrible from wall proximity. I may have to do some bass traps and wall treatments. Haven't gotten that far yet.

I wouldn't describe the DI  as warm either but it can preserve the full bodied sound if present in the recording.  But it can be somewhat tricky (in a good sense) with the DI  because they so reflect the driving amplifier.  So you can tailor the sound of your audio system by amplifier choice due to the lack of editorializing (well minimal) from the DI.

300b,845, KT 150, OTL, SS (bipolar or Mosfet) etc. You'll hear their individual distinctions with this speaker.  This is good in my opinion. 
Charles 

@rsfphil

Farther up in this thread, somebody brought the Legacy Signature SE in to the discussion, so I'm not sure at this point which Legacy model is being talked about, lol.  The Signature SE is right around $7k.

I've seen the Focus SEs on various websites and the MSRP is over $10,000. Are we talking about the same speaker?

I would never call the DI speaker warm. They are rather immediate and present in the mids, upper mids and highs. They no not have a warm mid-bass character either. They are certainly a very resolving speaker, but as Charles says,  in a natural manner. 

Dave,
I understand your point. Mac can answer this himself but I believe he was using SS and/or push  pull tube amplifiers with his Legacy speakers. He wasn't using the ZOTL or the SET  with the Legacy which wouldn't be best amplification option with this speaker.
Charles 

Charles1Dad you are missing my point, that what the amps Mac had might not have worked well on the Legacys and were better suited to the Tektons.

Also the Legacy's have a more detailed top end if you prefer a more rich midrange oriented sound then the Tekton's would be better.

As I mentioned these are two incredibly good loudspeakers from two companies that make very high for the dollar sets of loudspeakers compared to what you get from many others in this industry.

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ

If you are using a Parasound I would go Legacy, the Halo integratred is a little on the dark side and this combo would be fabulous on the Legacy's I think your top end would be  a bit polite with the DIs.

It is a hard choice both are fantastic

Wow!!! My mind is spinning! Thanks Dave, Troy, and Charles! This is why I was having trouble in the first place...I figured the speakers were equally matched on performance rather than price and appearance so much. It's just a matter of very personal choice...do you like to Jam at a good volume to beautiful sound? Or do you like to sit and sip wine at lower volumes and strain to hear every nuance of a jazz or classical passage? I like Vodka and do both! Now it's back to the drawing board. Whichever speaker I choose, I will be running my Parasound Halo A-21 through them. Let's have a solid state listening challenge because I can't get a good trial of both speakers in my home without losing some serious cash from shipping and restocking fees or taking an expensive trip. The Parasound has a damping factor of 1100 @ <20Hz...whatever that means in terms of performance...I don't know. So take the closest amp you have to the Parasound at Audio Doctor and hook it up...put on the Rush Moving Pictures CD or Album and give me your opinion on the performance at high and low volumes. Thanks Guys!

I believe that Mac was using different power amplifiers with his Legacy speakers. The ZOTL and SET amplifiers are very viable choices for the Double Impacts as it is easier to drive than the Legacy. The DI allows a wider range of amplifiers to be used successfully.

There are very happy DI owners who use solid state (SS) or even class D amplifiers. Also happy owners using their lower power (tube or SS) amplifiers. One thing I noticed with the DI is with proper speaker set up/placement they can disappear in your room. These speakers really reflect the amplifier and all upstream components convincingly. Based on my listening the sound can really change depending on the chosen amplifier. So be aware that you’ll hear whatever the sonic character of your system components. Resolution is high but isn’t analytical, in fact quite a natural presentation.
Charles

Cohicks here is the skinny we are Legacy dealers and are signed up to represent the Tekton DI SE when they ship out to dealers.

We have heard both here is the tale of the tape:

Price:

Legacy $7k a pair  Tekton with decent paint and wire upgrades $4,300.00 upgraded Tekton Se are going to be $6,500.00 so that will make them both very close. Winner Tekton

Styling: Legacy is much more elegant facted cabinet, vs plain box winner Legacy

Imaging: Tie both are excellent the Legacy's have a bit more defined sound stage, the Tekton's do throw a big image with a unique layered quality in the midrange. 

Impact: tie the Di is a bit easier to drive, the Legacy's generally work better with solid state in terms of bass the Signatures really benefit from a high damping factor solid state the Nuprime ST 10 at $1,695.00 sounds freaking amazing on them, with unbeliveable bass and dynamics. 

Tie

Ease of Drive: Although both systems are high effiiency the Legacy is a bit harder to control the large conventional designed bass drivers, 

Winner Tekton

Resolution: the Legacy's Heil AMT tweeter and upper midrange have a bit more air and sparkle

Winner Legacy

Midrange accuracy the DI tend to sound a bit more real on male vocals with a bit more weight.  

Overall this is a tough choice if you love air, clarity, stunning cabinetry for a bit more money Legacy

If you want absolute bargin for the money, and value a warmer tonality with a bit less treble clarity, and a bit of a boxy look Tekton.

In terms of Mac48025, setup the Zotel amp design as well as an SET is not good at controlling a woofer with the type of conventional design, like the Legacy, Eric uses Emminance pro drivers which are much less sensitive to having a higher damping factor, so the Tekton's are less fussy about an amplifiers damping factor and drive for that reason and I think Mac loves a really warm sound which the Tektons are warmer is the reason why he fell for the Tekton's over the Legacys. 

A conventional push pull or a high damping factor switching amplifier makes the Legacies come alive. 

I hope that helps either way you can't lose with either of these titans it will all come down to personal taste and what you value.

Davve and Troy 
Audio Doctor NJ

Cochicks4, I have the tekton monitor impact their dynamic and live presentation are hard to beat, how much more is the DI, my bet you will keep them. I only hear legacy speakers on audio shows they look very nice.

Thanks all! I think this gives me enough AMMO, to make a decision. I do love the aesthetic of the Legacys better and figured they would have more bass. As I said, my 802s are weak there, so I’ve been craving the speakers of old where 12-15 inch woofers were commonplace and gave a good visceral smack to your chest. But the majority rules, so I will try the DI’s...they’ll fit my listening room better anyway.

As Charles mentioned I had both speakers in my home for over a month. Both are great speakers. I sold the Legacys and have been enjoying the DI's for over a year now. Both speakers did many things right but to my ears the DI's are more musical and definitely more dynamic. In my room the DI's disappear creating a wall of sound that is deep, dynamic and precise with great tone and realism. The DI's won't be in my main system for long though......my DI SE's should be arriving in the next month ;)

+1 for Legacy SE's they rock! Oh, and you certainly won't need a sub. Can't speak to the DI's.

I can’t speak to the Tektons, but I bought the Legacy Signature SEs earlier this year, which are one step down from the Focus SEs I believe. These are spectacular speakers. The twin woofers and the AMT mid range/tweeter units...they produce a fantastic soundstage in my room now. I just tweaked the placement a bit recently...just a wide, precise soundstage, huge depth and it’s all so transparent.

Edit: They are great for rock and electronic music, as I mainly listen to jazz, rock and electronic, I needed a pair of speakers that perform well with all genres.

Cohicks4,
As already suggested home audition if at all possible.  I've heard both speakers but not in direct comparison.  Tekton Double Impacts I find more musical , engaging and more natural/organic in sonic character yet exceptionally dynamic and lively. Audiogon member Mac48025 has owned both, email him, he has good ears and is friendly. 
Good luck, 
Charles 

You are probably going to save some money with the Tektons versus Legacy. Also quite different aesthetics. Other than that, I think it would be a toss-up based on personal preference. It would be best to audition in home before committing if possible, especially if going to spend more on the Legacy. Tekton has a 8 ohm option which could be a significant difference with many amps.  Legacy Focus is  is 4 ohm I believe.

I do enjoy the sound from my DI’s quite a bit, so much so that I will probably upgrade to the DI SE to get more of this sound. I have only heard the Legacy at Audio shows and was never impressed, just a different sound that I don’t enjoy as much I suppose. The DI’s just sound more natural to me.

I would think the Legacy Focus SE are way more expensive, unless you compare used to new DI. Either way, the Legacy is better than the DI. I have heard both. The DI are an OK full range for their price, but comparing them to the Focus SE is not really fair.