"it might not be totally necessary, but seems like it wouldn't hurt "
Use that reasoning, you'll be able a hopele$$ audiophool.
Technics 1200G vs VPI Forever Model One
This is a bit of a loaded question, and the Forever line is probably still too new, but I'm going to toss this out anyway.
For backstory, I currently have a Mofi Ultradeck and it's treated me very well, but I'm starting to think about the next step and which piece I'd like to save for.
The Technics obviously has a legendary status, and is probably one of the lowest maintenance tables on the market. However they have become much more difficult to demo and you really have to purchase on blind faith that it will live up to expectations. The only time I've ever seen a 1200G was when I purchased my UD back in 2018 I demoed it alongside a 1200GR the dealer has one on display but I didn't get to hear it. That was before Technics scaled back to only higher volume dealers, which is somewhat annoying as a customer. But it's also the more affordable of the two options and I've also noticed the number of reviewers that continue to depend on the 1200G for their main systems. Obviously the option to quickly change headshells is part of the reason for reviewers, and that wouldn't really apply for me because I'm much more of a one cart type of person. But none the less, the 1200G sounds like a no brainer on paper.
However, I've always loved the looks and sound of VPI tables. I've heard several over the past decade, and every time I've enjoyed the sound and performance regardless of surroundings system and cartridge. It also helps that I normally hear them in fairly high end systems with quality cartridges. Last weekend I also got to meet Mat Wiesfeld at SWAF and got to spend a solid amount of time evaluating the Forever Model One. I really liked the sound of the table, love the look, and the modular design is interesting but also might be annoying. But the upgradability and repair options does have a real appeal to it, especially when I think about long term upgrades. The ownership experience will not be as easy. Replacing belts, oiling bearings, manual belt speed changes, suspended design. While it certainly seems easier to own than the older unipivot arms, it will require more effort and TLC. But it does have a cool factor that I just don't get from the Technics, and the idea of upgrading speed controls and arms over time does sound cool. I also have more faith that VPI will continue to honor service well past the production period of the Forever One. I'm not sure I have that same faith in Panasonic once the 1200G is discontinued.
Would love to hear thoughts from others on which direction you would go and what pushes you that way.
@tablejockey I think a better way to say what I was thinking is that I can’t really know until I try at least one. |
Whichever TT you ultimately decide to purchase you may wish to consider a Dynavector 507 MkII tonearm. Currently available from Dynavector USA. I can only attest to my DV 505 that I purchased in February 1981. Incredible tonearm and the DV 507 includes many improvements. Currently using it on my VPI HW 19. |
Looking back over this thread a couple of things stand out for me. These are my impressions based on my experience and how that differs from some of the impressions that have been expressed here. The first one is related to reliability. My SL1200GAE has a frozen VTF adjuster. This is a common problem and it is not trivial. If people think it is difficult to get a demo, or to find a specific model to buy, try finding qualified repair technical support. This does not render the TT inoperable of course, but it is a PITA. By contrast I have not had any trouble of any kind with my HW19 MkIII, bought new in 1986 and still in service, or with either my Prime (traded) or my HW40 Anniversary (current). Also VPI is a phone call away if I need anything. This difference is significant between these two companies. Finally, I have to comment on all the energy that has been expended on the difference between belt drive and direct drive turntables. This is a tempest in a teapot. Both are excellent, either is a fine choice. Basing a decision on either at the current state of the art is silly. Intelligent people will concern themselves with things that are more likely to matter. Like ergonomics, reputation, and dealer support. Has anyone mentioned the critical role that the dealer will play in how well a new turntable purchase will go? Here is my most important advice of all: Pick your dealer first. |