"it might not be totally necessary, but seems like it wouldn't hurt "
Use that reasoning, you'll be able a hopele$$ audiophool.
Technics 1200G vs VPI Forever Model One
This is a bit of a loaded question, and the Forever line is probably still too new, but I'm going to toss this out anyway.
For backstory, I currently have a Mofi Ultradeck and it's treated me very well, but I'm starting to think about the next step and which piece I'd like to save for.
The Technics obviously has a legendary status, and is probably one of the lowest maintenance tables on the market. However they have become much more difficult to demo and you really have to purchase on blind faith that it will live up to expectations. The only time I've ever seen a 1200G was when I purchased my UD back in 2018 I demoed it alongside a 1200GR the dealer has one on display but I didn't get to hear it. That was before Technics scaled back to only higher volume dealers, which is somewhat annoying as a customer. But it's also the more affordable of the two options and I've also noticed the number of reviewers that continue to depend on the 1200G for their main systems. Obviously the option to quickly change headshells is part of the reason for reviewers, and that wouldn't really apply for me because I'm much more of a one cart type of person. But none the less, the 1200G sounds like a no brainer on paper.
However, I've always loved the looks and sound of VPI tables. I've heard several over the past decade, and every time I've enjoyed the sound and performance regardless of surroundings system and cartridge. It also helps that I normally hear them in fairly high end systems with quality cartridges. Last weekend I also got to meet Mat Wiesfeld at SWAF and got to spend a solid amount of time evaluating the Forever Model One. I really liked the sound of the table, love the look, and the modular design is interesting but also might be annoying. But the upgradability and repair options does have a real appeal to it, especially when I think about long term upgrades. The ownership experience will not be as easy. Replacing belts, oiling bearings, manual belt speed changes, suspended design. While it certainly seems easier to own than the older unipivot arms, it will require more effort and TLC. But it does have a cool factor that I just don't get from the Technics, and the idea of upgrading speed controls and arms over time does sound cool. I also have more faith that VPI will continue to honor service well past the production period of the Forever One. I'm not sure I have that same faith in Panasonic once the 1200G is discontinued.
Would love to hear thoughts from others on which direction you would go and what pushes you that way.
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'I can’t help but think if they’ll lower it to $4,500 in a year." Funny you mentioned that... I was going to write something similar. The UD is a fine table at the adjusted price. MD price probably will drop in a couple of years due to many competitors and a not so big demand/market. Should be a $3500/4K table. I'm sure the VPI sounds good, but the asking price is too optimistic. Used VPI's don't hold value- a win for a buyer.
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2 different "sound signatures." Technics will be speed accurate over the VPI. The 1300G has most of the 1200G and is less "DJ" looking. Get bored and put a nicer arm for another step up in performance. I would be comfortable with either for long term use. Longtime VPI Classic user. If you REALLY like VPI aesthetic, save a little more dough for a used HW40 DD. If you look around, they can be had for $10K or less. The new VPI to me appears overpriced for what you're getting. Haven't heard one, so not really qualified to give a solid opinion on it. If you're set on choosing between the 2, go with your gut. Upgrade to a next level phonostage if you haven't already to make either choice perform its best.
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"PLX-1000 in the same category as the 1200G" Comparing a base model sedan with smallest motor and hand crank windows to turbocharged, computer controlled everything flagship. Perhaps underneath everything the core used is made by same manufacturer, but NOT identical? PLX however, does get high marks for the price. |
"I currently have a Mofi Ultradeck " MoFi Electronics MasterDeck Turntable Maybe worth looking into, since it's around the same price point as your chosen models. |
" You are making the1200G feel like a bit of a goldilocks here. " Reality, it's going to be your call and ears. I truly enjoy my VPI Classic. Would I ever buy another VPI? With the exception of the HW40, doubtful. I do like the traditional look of the VPI Classic IMO, if you're seeking "close enough" to SOTA, Classic series can do the job. Perhaps the Forever has a more "lively" presentation, being suspended? An actual side by side would be the only way for you to decide what's your "Goldilocks." As you mentioned, Technics is a Toyota/Lexus that will keep you listening as long as you're upright. As lewm mentioned, ADS speed control for the VPI is paramount. A more precise option is the SOTA/RoadRunner setup.
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"Are any of the arms you mentioned really better than the one it comes with." "have set up Tri-planars twice over the course of time and they do not perform measurably better than it does." billstevenson- Your comments could raise eyebrows for those with hyper setups!😄 Confirmation of my immediate thoughts. The VPI gimbal & unipivot are both low tech and simple, yet effective. I've been curious about what a gimbal upgrade would do in my Classic, since it's a drop in mod. "I would certainly plan for the ADS if I went that direction," displayname- Sota/RoadRunner is superior to ADS, if you're serious about VPI. https://sotaturntables.com/products/eclipse-package/ The website is not the greatest, but the RR is what VPI failed to implement for their products. Real time speed correction and more precise. My understanding is they were in talks with original designer, but no deal. SOTA purchased design.
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"Dang, listing ended before I even saw it" Looks like it's relisted. GRAB IT! MoFi Electronics - Masterdeck Turntable an... For Sale | Audiogon The assesment of your Ultradeck being a sideways move to the Technics or VPI? Everyone has their opinion.
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"What about tables that don't use or require a platter pad? My mofi table, VPI tables, etc." As mentioned-"most" VPI is in the no mat group. Some owners prefer one-bare for me. To my ears just get a cartridge to your liking and get all the setup parameters dialed in. Playing an LP at an affordable/reasonable high level shouldn't be so complicated. A used VPI IMO, is where the real value can be found.
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VPI does have good support AFTER you've purchased their product. I bet Technics would at least offer a technical support service center location as a resource especially for a model still in production despite being out of warranty? Regardless, if you end up going for a VPI or even that MoFi(when they drop the price of the MasterDeck due to lack of sales) it's a solid choice. Turntable madness is SO FULL of right/wrong and "authorities." The LP pedigree is also a topic of endless discussion which IMO, is of equal importance. I'm one of those best available period,original press weirdos. No audiophool/ re-release (except for unobtanium super rare) for me!
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