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Should people who can't solder, build or test their speakers be considered audiophiles?
So, if you bought that Porsche but can only drive it and not fix it do you really understand and appreciate what it is? I say no. The guy who can get in there and make it better, faster or prettier with his own hands has a superior ability to understand the final result and can appreciate what he has from a knowledge base and not just a look at what I bought base. I mean sure you can appreciate that car when you drive it but if all you do is take it back to the dealership for maintenance and repairs you just like the shape with no real understanding of what makes it the mechanical marvel it is.
I find that is true with the audio world too. There are those who spend a ton of money on things and then spend a lot of time seeking peer approval and assurance their purchase was the right one and that people are suitably impressed. Of course those who are most impressed are those who also do not design, build, test or experiment.
I propose that an audiophile must have more than a superficial knowledge about what he listens to and must technically understand what he is listening to. He knows why things work and what his end goal is and often makes his own components to achieve this. He knows how to use design software to make speakers that you can't buy and analyze the room they are in and set up the amplification with digital crossovers and DSP. He can take a plain jane system and tweak it and balance it to best suit the room it is in. He can make it sound far better than the guy who constantly buys new components based on his superficial knowledge who does not understand why what he keeps buying in vain never quite gets there.
A true audiophile can define his goal and with hands on ability achieve what a mere buyer of shiny parts never will. So out comes the Diana Krall music and the buyer says see how good my system is? The audiophile says I have taken a great voice and played it through a system where all was matched and tweaked or even purposely built and sits right down next to Diana as she sings. The buyer wants prestigious signature sound and the audiophile will work to achieve an end result that is faithful true to life audio as though you were in the room with Diana as she sings. The true audiophile wants true to life and not tonally pure according to someones artificial standard.
So are you a buyer or an audiophile and what do you think should make a person an audiophile?
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petg60, "i don't find jokes about Alfa amusing. Annual service is coming."Skip it. It won't come out of it any better. A wise guy once told me that any time you take a car to the shop, whatever the reason, you will be back in two weeks. Not necessarily for the same reason. I visit my car mechanic on the bicycle, for a chat. |
My car is rented and my wife drive it.....I walk most of the times..... :) All cars are boring except the Bugatti Atlantic 1936....I dream to buy one.... a seller here? There is a great similarity and a family ressemblance with the Berning ZOTL amplifier but objects of my dreams partake something for sure..... :) |
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Once upon a time, a mechanic worth every penny he refused to take from me told me that pinpoint oil leaks are common after an oil change and are the way to rack up the bill. I have no idea how to fix any of 911's engines, or how they look, but that is what I was told. While I have the attention of 911 experts, where did the spare tire go before it disappeared? There must have been one. Was it? Where was it installed? When did it go away? This is a real question and you guys seem to have the answer handy. |
Have you ever open the engine lid on a 911? Not a lot of room in there to work on things! Not so fast, Grasshopper! You forgot to say "new" 911. If you open the engine lid on an early air-cooled 911 you will see a couple Weber carbs, and... not much else. The engine was very clearly exposed on a 911. Before watermelons (green on the outside, red on the inside) took over the automotive industry and without anyone ever being asked declared the exhaust fumes coming out must be cleaner than the air coming in. (True- allowable exhaust particulates are lower than the air in many places.) Now thanks to computer aided design hardly a cubic inch of engine bay space is wasted- its all used to meet regulatory requirements. Not only Porsche. Try and find any carmaker today with an engine you can just reach in and put your hands on. Now I don’t know about Spectron but if you were a smart and discerning audiophile and bought a quality tube amp then odds are you will find plenty of room in there and it would be no problem to replace that binding post. Not that it would have broken off in the first place. Tube gear tends to be made to last. Digital ages in dog years. |
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Pretty silly OP, for sure. Audiophiles are those that enjoy audio equipment. Those that can solder, build or test their speakers, are a subset of the greater set of audiophiles. As one who does build and test my own audiophile level speakers, I am no different in my love for audio equipment than those that do not. |
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Give me a break. Just another in a long line of troll posts by the OP, to whit from 2 years ago,
" Hyperbole much?? Lets see that makes two in two years so I guess you are right I am FLOODING this place with, well, with whatever you say. Do the flying saucers help if you sit in a room of them? You of all people talking about trolling and the validity of things. |
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Glass universe? What is that photo supposed to be showing or prove? Are those the ashes of someone’s passed relative tapped to the cables? And why would we care I wonder. Jkf I think it boils down to some people have self image issues and if they’re part of a smaller more exclusive club then maybe their sense of self worth will have been raised. People outside of the hobby arnt audiphiles either, but I never miss a chance to try to start a coverstaion on the subject to see if we can add a new recruit to the hobby. |
" He who lives in a glass house shouldn't cast pebbles: " I think it is closer to a glass universe:Dhttps://www.machinadynamica.com/machina5.htm |
I think most forums have a continuum of people with various talents and abilities. We come together to benefit from, to be amused, or just to kill time. There are people here, like me, who are just starting out in this hobby and have very little knowledge. If I solder anything, it’s because something bad happened. And the people I know have less knowledge than me and ask my advice — imagine that! I have benefitted from the advice here that those who know more than me have provided, and I appreciate that. Some discussions here are way above anything I have studied or done, and I try to understand something and think about it, though I may never use the info. Likewise, my systems will likely never total $10,000 in value, but I enjoy looking at other members’ top-drawer systems and image owning and enjoying something like that (need to shore the security system!). For those whose knowledge and hands-on experience is great, what is the attraction for them? Do they hope to still learn something new, to discuss the nuts-and-bolts with others who enjoy experimenting? Do they get some satisfaction at helping the lost find the path? I sure hope so! I find it interesting when someone talks about the prominent engineers and how they started out, and how they collaborated with others to create some ground-breaking technology. Or, maybe they have made friends here and come not so much to be educated as to catch up with what those buddies have been doing (and especially now that we are distancing from others in our daily life). I hope and trust that everyone gets a bit of what they want when they visit here. As for me, whatever you call me, just don’t call me late for supper! |
He who lives in a glass house shouldn't cast pebbles: https://www.machinadynamica.com/mikro-pebbles.jpg geoffkait22,850 posts06-22-2020 11:16amGive me a break. Just another in a long line of troll posts by the OP, to whit from 2 years ago, |
Like a lot of boomers, I got into this hobby building Dynakits, Heathkits, even an HK Citation 12 kit (1971?), b/c of poverty, a love of music, a fascination with the technology that could re-create a musical experience in my dorm room! I have always been a "hobbyist" more than a big A Audiophile b/c in my value system, high bucks gear just never fit...I never made that kind of dough. Being in the business, I leveraged accomodation pricing, points-for-product, and buying good used gear so I've had some pretty fantastic systems, but nothing truly "high end" as now understood. I definitely count myself a small a audiophile, though, and I suppose It enhances my self esteem at some level to look down on those with large incomes (and no soldering skills) who buy their way in...but they're also the ones by whom I support myself! So go figure! |
Give me a break. Just another in a long line of troll posts by the OP, to whit from 2 years ago, mahlman OP “What is trully important? So I read about all these expensive bits of gear here and I have some thoughts. In the world of large money bands and their touring where individual seats can cost well north of 5G is there any sort of restriction on equipment they can buy? I don’t think so and they want fidelity. What do recording studios use for session recordings? Is the idea of true to life important and what do you use to get there? Does real life reproduction matter or is some sort of electronic pure tonal thing the most important even though you will never hear that in live venues.I am fascinated by the amount of money spent that the pros never spend to get results and the pros are a purely result driven group.“ >>>>>>There is also this jewel, cut me some slack, Jack! https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/so-what-is-real |
Judging by your presence, the answer is obvious. geoffkait22,846 posts06-22-2020 8:40amDid someone forget to leave the Roach Motels out last night? |
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I just assumed it was sarcasm and a play on the earlier thread https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/should-people-with-no-turntable-or-reel-to-reel-be-considered-audiophil But you did manage to get a lot of responses. Regarding the sokogear thread I did not really know if that was trolling or not but it has too many answers to read through now. |
" Fortunately I started young, planting the Redwood tree that would grow to provide the Rosewood veneer for my DBA. While that was growing I was busy digging the ore I would refine down into voice coils and speaker cables. Fortunately tubes are not that hard, mostly silica for the glass although it took years building my lungs up to where I could get enough vacuum. Speakers actually not that hard, paper pulp cones only take a year or so to make, not bad at all. I did cheat and use melted down plastic bottles for the platter. All was on track and I was close to my goal of being a genuine Real McCoy Audiophile, one who built everything from scratch and trial and error, until I heard wire is directional. That’s it. I am done with audio. Fortunately I was saving aluminum cans the whole time and have almost enough to melt down into the case and pistons for a flat six.... " Remarkably similar path to the one I took. My biggest problem with the platter was finding a good Porcupine quill to do the little groove squiggly thing. I figured out how to solve directional wiring too. Lay your wire out double the length you need and cut in half and join them at the ends making sure the direction is marked so the flow is reversed. What one sends the other returns but if you screw up and don’t get the direction right you will only be able to send or receive so be very careful. The direction is not readily evident many times so judicious attention paid to the original wire when you cut is very important. I use beginning or end markers applied as I cut and as long as I put an end with a beginning I know that all will be well. |
Put simply NO! You do not need to be able to use a soldering iron to be an audiophile, just like if I own a a Porsche I don’t need to be a mechanical engineer. That’s why there are people who train for years to work on the complex machinery that makes up a Porsche. It is like saying that in order to be considered a Posrsche owner you have to drive any number of the 911 combos and the Caymen is not a true a Porsche but that would be wrong. I know my way around a soldering iron and maybe some day I will build a speaker system from scratch, but thankfully there’s an Italian company that makes some of the finest sounding speakers on the planet and I will buy them soon, but I still consider myself an audiophile...I have been into this hobby since I was a Freshman in high school. To me it’s about the music and listening to the music as the artist intended it to be heard. The equipment is the non musicians way to achieve that goal. We tend never to be satisfied. In the end it’s about finding that diamond in the rough. I’m looking got a transparent warm and natural sound in my home that grabs you and drags you on to the stage. That’s what an audiophile is, it’s not about building a speaker. That is a great thing for some for others-we rather spend our time searching for the best albums to listen to. |