Ah! They are refrigerator magnets.
Perfect Path "Solutions" (PPS) eMat
Does anyone know the intricate details of how these most current PPS eMats differ, aside by appearance, from the previous two generations of PPT eMat & eMat+?.any insight will be greatly appreciated...
Thanx! Mooncrikit
Thanx! Mooncrikit
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Do you read the posts of others, or is your super inflated ego too large to enable you to see past your nose?? I shared with you exactly what the mats were in a previous post. Tim DID NOT manufacture the mats. He only used the mats as a vehicle for his product. Scroll back up and you’ll find "The Secret." < Sheesh! > Frank |
Well designed turntables and electronic gear to not need any voodoo witchcraft to operate correctly.Vibrations are not affecting PERFECT audio system design then... The electrical noise floor of the house and room dont affect PERFECT audio system... "Any audio design is optimal by virtue of his PERFECT design out of the box: connect it, he will work perfectly optimally WITHOUT any external means or optimizing device controls..." You call that "science" or market gullability about alleged PERFECT engineering ? Myself i chose the second case.... |
Who's fighting? I'm having fun:-)))) Some people are so defensive. Here are some real audio pioneers; Edgar Villchur, Saul Marantz, Joe Grado, Paul Klipsch, Bob Carver, Rudy Bozak, John Curl, Nelson Pass and many more. We still celebrate their inventions today. Well designed turntables and electronic gear to not need any voodoo witchcraft to operate correctly. This stuff is designed and marketed to take advantage of the gullibility of human hearing particularly those who do not understand it. If people want to be taken advantage of that is their business. But, don't B---h at us because we point out the truth. I'm not quite sure what Glupson point out but I think his heart is in the right place:-) In the old days manufacturers would go out of their way to prove their products performance. Edgar Villchur set up his speakers on a stage with musicians and compared them to the real thing in public. He also designed and built the most successful turntable of all time the AR XA which has been copied by numerous manufacturers. The Linn LP 12 is nothing but a fancy AR XA. |
"How do you defend the dead and their ideas..from closed minded dilberts?" Easily, you separate the dead from their surviving ideas. Simply focus on ideas rather than how someone was nice, smart, or whatever. Check the threads and see who brings the name of the man into them. In this thread it was oregonpapa. In New Omega E Mat from Perfect Path Technologies | Audiogon Discussion Forum it was jafreeman who started the thread. Any inventor is not his product. There must have been brilliant products invented by real jerks. It does not matter who the inventor is/was, products are fine. Why proponents of the PPT products feel an urge to tie a person and product’s preformance together is slightly puzzling. It is not surprising that other side then starts responding to exactly what proponents brought to the table and that is the name of the person and not only the invention. |
" Leave Tim alone......your beating on the dead guy." My attempt at that went unnoticed a day or two ago. At the same time, for another unexplained reason, it seems that supporters of PPT products do, insensitively so, bring the man’s name into discussion. Can you stop it, please?
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Can anyone join this turntable hating club mijostyn and I are ostensibly a member of? I hope that comes with a membership card and cool t-shirts. Strange, that the two founding members of the turntable hating club were probably the most accurate in advice to a recent member who was having trouble with their turntable setup. While others were calling for throwing the turntable away or any number of expensive upgrades, mijostyn, in one of his early replies called out the exact primary issue. I would put money on the remaining issue being what I described the issue to be. Weirdest hating club ever! |
You have these right papa? ... Go get one, the mat, and look at the surface. Quite obviously that came off a real production line, and not someone's basement shop. How do you think these things are manufactured? oregonpapa4,349 posts01-18-2021 10:37pm audio2design ... |
Your contribution to this thread is? I find your post toxic and an ad-hom. Are you not capable of sticking to the topic?? If you believe I am wrong, then prove it. cal37131,157 posts01-19-2021 11:40pm"If you do post anything useful, its ability to have any positive impact is neutered by the accompanying condescension." |
Orval and Wilbur Wright (owned a bike shop) - 1903 - Did not invent flight, but did the first perfection and their big contributions were control methods, and formal engineering design methods applied to the endeavour including building a wind tunnel and testing prototypes. They did real research, published results, even spoke at engineering conferences. Howard Hughes with Lockheed (was not an aeronautical engineer) - 1930's - he was the pilot, financier and front man, not the engineer who did the designs. He hired engineers and designers to build his products. Henry Timken inventor of the taper roller bearing ( wagon builder) - 1800's - Co invented by Heizenlman who did appear to have a formal training. Gottlieb Daimler Inventor of the Motorcycle and Automobile (was a gunsmith) - 1800's (University of Stuttgart, among others. He had a lot of formal education) You may want to find some examples from at least the last 25 years. The world is a much different place. Most of the "simple" advances in science are long past. It used to be that scientists made their big discoveries early in their career (20's, 30's). Now the big discoveries are being made in their 40's as it takes that long to learn everything else so you can build on it and not recreate it. |
The only effect it has is on the minds of the people who were foolish enough to spend money on it. Such is the mythology of audiophilia nervosa. I understand Pfizer is researching a drug for this rather common condition. I gave them Audiogons web address as a source for study subjects.I dont understand WHY you go on insulting a group of people, not one but many ? it is not "turntable ignorant crowd" this time like for some other, for you it is "ignorant tweakers".... I dont understand WHY you exclude yourself from this disease "audiophilia nervosa" on what basis ? I dont understand WHY you can decide by yourself what is right or wrong about a product and going through many threads where you dont participate in a positive way bashing all others active positive participants, because they bought, not your "equalizer" audio club reference gear, but another product? I am pretty sure you dont work in psychology....For audio matters listening too much to some here, and in your "club" probably, who dont even understand what timbre concept is, apart from being "a colored warm subjective illusory" perception is not the right things to do i think.... I dont understand; but wait a minute, you give yourself an explanation in another "historical" post: Well folks, some of us are gifted and can tell by looking at some things that they are absolutely not suited for the suggested purpose. |
I love that airplane. It is the best looking aircraft ever made. The DC 6 was so bland in comparison. The 1st Air Force 1 was a Connie. Eisenhower's Columbine II. It is harder to be a pioneer now. Advancing technology has become so much more complicated than it was at the end of the 19th century. But they still exist. I believe most of us would call Elon Musk a pioneer. Perhaps visionary is a better term. Anyway, getting this emotional over the Perfect Path Technologies eMat is pretty silly. The only effect it has is on the minds of the people who were foolish enough to spend money on it. Such is the mythology of audiophilia nervosa. I understand Pfizer is researching a drug for this rather common condition. I gave them Audiogons web address as a source for study subjects. |
Science and technology have become very diverse and complicated since those (relatively) early times. As much as it is possible that some brilliant mind makes a technological breakthrough anyway, most of the developments might be by the people who have dedicated some time to formal education about the basics of the studied field. These days, at least. All those people mentioned above have been dead for a while. They might have lead the world forward in technical fields without formal education at the time when there was no formal education. "Gottlieb Daimler Inventor of the Motorcycle and Automobile (was a gunsmith)" Was there a College of Automotive Sciences in 1878? "Howard Hughes with Lockheed (was not an aeronautical engineer)" He might have been smarter than thinking he could do it all... "He hoped to hire Lockheed to design a revolutionary aircraft capable of comfortably shuttling 20 passengers and 6,000 pounds of cargo across the United States, offering commercial aviation’s first coast-to-coast, non-stop service." "Hughes outlined the initial performance specifications, but it was Lockheed that would design the sleek, distinctive, now-iconic aircraft." How the Constellation Became the Star of the Skies | Lockheed Martin |
How many people do you see leading the world forward in technical fields "without a formal education". The answer is pretty close to none. If you don't know what was done by those before you, it is impossible to build on what they have done. Orval and Wilbur Wright (owned a bike shop) Howard Hughes with Lockheed (was not an aeronautical engineer) Henry Timken inventor of the taper roller bearing ( wagon builder) Gottlieb Daimler Inventor of the Motorcycle and Automobile (was a gunsmith) I can go on and on shooting holes in your post. |
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@audio2design You kill the usefulness of every thread you participate in with claims of superiority and otherwise irrelevant commentary. If you do post anything useful, its ability to have any positive impact is neutered by the accompanying condescension. If your expertise actually matched its claimed size, you'd find a way to communicate the knowledge without all the bullsh*t. It's just ridiculous. |
audio2design ... Again, when it came to the mats, there was no pouring of anything into a mold. One can pick up a pretty darned good education just from reading books, and then applying the knowledge learned from the research. As I said, 15 years spent in research, trial, and error in developing the products. Too bad you never had the opportunity to speak with Tim. He was a fountain of information, albeit, much of which was over my head from a technical standpoint. Frank |
Why does every time, or virtually every time, when PPT products are discussed talk shift to inventor instead of continuing with invention? To the point when proof that products are working as advertised is that inventor was a very friendly and chatty person. Why not leave the man in peace? His products are his products, they are not him. Let him rest. |
Just how do you think the EMI mat was made? Do you think it was poured into a flat mold and then allowed to harden? I have never mentioned his contact enhancer. How many people do you see leading the world forward in technical fields "without a formal education". The answer is pretty close to none. If you don't know what was done by those before you, it is impossible to build on what they have done. |
audio2design ... Why do you continue with the " roll extrude or mold an EMI mat" nonsense. Did you read my above post? There was no rolling, extruding, or molding involved. And Tim Mrock was no neophyte. While his hobby was audio, his products were originally intended for commercial use. Read all of the threads on the PPT products and you'll find how they save on energy consumption. Tim told me that he spent over 15 years in experimentation and research in order to end up with the final products. He was a semi-partner with Brian Kyle years ago in developing another contact enhancer. I tried it, and while good, did not come up the to standards of the PPT Total Contact. Not even close. One thing about Tim Mrock ... he did not have a formal education in electrical engineering. Perhaps that is why he was able to keep such an open mind. Frank |
"I have a minor observation for this and one more thread. I stand corrected. Apparently, sKeptic is in North America and sCeptic more or less everywhere else. Well, that is also some knowledge gained here. |
glupson definitely wins for the best comedy, though, realistically, MC provides an endless source of material. MC, you work in a hospital and you don't even know how masks work. I hate to tell you this MC, but the physics of electricity and sound don't change between a recording studio, a mixing studio, and a home. antigrunge2, I didn't diss the product by the way. I actually gave it the benefit of the doubt that it actually did something, probably even along the lines of some of the claims. Absent evidence (and I still don't see MC or Papa providing any), I have no reason to believe PP had the wherewithal to develop, test, or manufacture such a product from "scratch" i.e. roll extrude or mold an EMI mat. Absent such capabilities but giving them the benefit of the doubt it somewhat does what it says, a logical conclusion is they sourced and branded it. I have no issue with that. If people can do it with fuses, why not EMI mats? |
mooncrikit, For a person starting a thread with a question, you appear hostile to people not answering the question with what seem to be your preconceived answers. Why don’t you simply post an answer? You seem to know it anyway. Use deduction. You already know what is wrong so whatever will be left will be right. So far, your contribution to this thread, apart from starting it, has been less than zero. You contributed only negativity. If you do not like answers and explanations people give you, by all means, move to another thread and stop spreading your vigilant negativity here. |
antigrunge2 What gives audio2design the right to diss any product he choses without listening to it ...It's consistent with the terms of service here. Of course we're free to discount or ignore such uninformed claims. |
What gives audio2design the right to diss any product he choses without listening to it on grounds of superior insights, however acquired? Shouldn‘t the Moderator intercede on this type of counterproductive behaviour? I for one am fed up. You’re not the only one. Almost everyone somewhere somehow manages to post something useful and worth reading. Most of the people in audio have little if any formal training in the field. Some do, sure. But you would be surprised how many of the very best in the business learned it all by listening and trial and error. Whatever engineering, acoustics, electrical knowledge or whatever they need they learned as and when they needed along the way. Hang around this site long enough, get good enough at doing this, you will come to realize as I have that formal education is one of the bigger stumbling blocks. The man who thinks he has all the answers has after all no reason to go looking. That’s our empty suit. He posted his resume, as if anyone cares, which it turns out is all perfectly unrelated to home audio. Poor guy didn’t even notice the question he was answering was a diagram of a recording studio. The poor OP who came looking for help, you kind of expect he might miss something like that. For the guy who parades his superior education and professional experience to miss it, well what does that do but show him to be an empty suit? Empty as they come. Except maybe for being full of himself. mooncrikit, They changed the name. They changed the stickers. End of story. |
oregonpapa... First off, thanx for offering your positive insight. I have seen many informative posts created to and responded to by you and appreciate them for their straightforwardness, convincing factuality and candor. (Please resist TROLLS!) However Sir, my question in regards to these mats is about the last, most latest/current version (I believe maybe @ V3?) labeled "Perfect Path Solutions" or PPS, not Perfect Path Technologies. Their appearance has both sides in all black with a Pink & light blue highlighted logo sticker on one side... |
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audio2design Using something and understanding it are clearly not the same thing.Exactly! And that's precisely why so many here urge you to actually try some of the items you mention when you so forcefully assert your opinion (or speculation) as fact. |
You realize PPT did not give any appearance of having the ability to mold/extrude these mats right? His "proprietary" formula is fairly well enough described in his patent on his contact enhancer which comes down to a conductor in a binding solution. Keep the comedy coming. RF absorption is not the sort of thing you guess at. Again, no indication of the knowledge, experience, or equipment to even begin to develop something like this, let alone the in house manufacturing capability and no one is going to run something they are not pretty familiar with through their molding machine / extruder given the potential for damage. I believe that the same technology was used in the mats as was used in the PPT Total Contact contact enhancer. Judicial use of Tim Mrock’s graphene formula under the label of the mat. And as for the mat itself, I believe that it was the same material as that used for refrigerator magnets. And yes, the mat material can be bought through Internet suppliers. However, the graphene formula used in developing the PPT mats died with Tim Mrock ... the genius who came up with all of these great ideas. |
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Right. Frank and I are two of a very select small group who actually knows what they’re talking about. Based both on extensive use of the products as well as lots of nice long talks with the people involved in developing them. Frank already confirmed I know what I’m talking about. Now let me reiterate neither of us nor anyone else who knows is about to be telling you or anyone else any of the information you seem so keen on getting. Nor will Krissy. You will be no better off in that respect than now. What I can tell you, what Frank just said, what anyone can learn by reading my review- they are not refrigerator magnets! That’s actually the first thing I thought myself. Being completely opposite your average poster here rather than bloviating and pontificating and acting the fool I went and got a few refrigerator magnets and tried them out. Again, read my review! Compete fail! Not only are they NOT refrigerator magnets, but if they were they would make the sound WORSE not better! Try it yourself if you don’t believe me. Always say that. Hardly anyone ever does. So much more satisfying to be like the empty suit pretending to know. Head so empty one day its gonna implode like one of those cool science experiments. Closest to science he will ever get. Sorry for the attitude but the fact of the matter is you can learn everything you need to know by buying the stuff and using it. Anything beyond that is worth exactly zero, unless you are trying to rip them off by replicating it for yourself. Already told you everything there is to know. Only as usual no one is interested in the truth. The signal is not what you think it is. If it was Frank and I would have normal pedestrian level systems just like everyone else. Instead of what Frank said: with Tim and Krissy’s help, we have turned our audio systems into magic music machines. The results have to be heard in order to be believed. Indeed. All that matters. All you need to know. |
mooncrikit ... I don’t think there is anyone posting here who has more PPT mats in their system than I do. I have both the original mats and the "Plus" mats. The difference between the original PPT mats and the PPT "Plus" mats are exactly what MC said. The "Plus" mats are more powerful than the original mats. Both versions provide a significant upgrade to the SQ, but the "Plus" mats are more so. audio2design ... I believe that the same technology was used in the mats as was used in the PPT Total Contact contact enhancer. Judicial use of Tim Mrock’s graphene formula under the label of the mat. And as for the mat itself, I believe that it was the same material as that used for refrigerator magnets. And yes, the mat material can be bought through Internet suppliers. However, the graphene formula used in developing the PPT mats died with Tim Mrock ... the genius who came up with all of these great ideas. Those of us who fully committed to Tim Mrock’s products realize what a loss it was when Tim passed on. Why? Because with Tim and Krissy’s help, we have turned our audio systems into magic music machines. The results have to be heard in order to be believed. Frank |