Hey 64voxac30,
My three favorite amplifiers in a ranked order on the Ulf's are:
1) Coda No.8 2) Threshold S/550e 3) Pass Labs XA-25
The XA-25's harmonics/tonality are beautiful on the Ulf speakers. However, because it does not drop as much current as the other two amplifiers it just misses out on the total control of the speaker that the other amps offer. |
jahatl513, I believe I go into the use of one channel on each amp in the review of the First Watt J2 I wrote for dagogo.com
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I'm really fond of the SIT-3. |
Teajay,
For the Ulf’s, do you prefer the Pass x250, the Aric SET KT88, or are there other amps that bring out their maximum capabilities? I’m planning on significant upgrades 18 months out and currently doing my due diligence. Thanks. |
Douglas_schroeder - your use of one amp..... sounds interesting and I’d like to understand it exactly. Can you elaborate the details or is there a place to read up??
Coming from the Conrad Johnson world. Everything is single ended so initially my pre was an excellent match for the XA25. Also the little amp is built to punch with authority way above its weight and an unusual onfiguration or deviation from the rest of the heard. I’ve since updated to Pass XP-22 and all important inputs are on XLR into it and a significant upgrade. |
I purchased the 260.8 in dec and am happy....
I previously had in same system pass integrated 250 and difference is considerable.
The integrated is very good for an integrated but prefer tube integrated...
The monoblocks throw a massive soundstage and wonderful instrument separation and voices sound real.....sounds pretty neutral too...
I think each model should be considered on own merits and not generalize about company sound....also each room sounds different and rest of equipment synergy important.....i keep it simple buying same preamp company as amp ....
I tried the EAR 912 with the 260.8 with my harbeth 40.2 and found was sublime for jazz or vocals but bass was not good for modern rock
I thought of auditioning a different phono preamp than pass xp17 but like same company same current model synergy.....xp27 would be better still but way pricier and system already great sounding...
Will say system really began hitting all cylinders after upgrading power cable on pass preamp and fuses in pass preamp and phono (mono fuses cant be changed).....
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jahatl513, yes, but the 25 doesn't have balanced inputs. That is a serious drawback to me as a reviewer. I build lots of systems with XLR, and that would cut out half of them.
That may have been a tactical move on the part of Pass labs. If they were to stuff them with XLR then the unit might cut into the big boy amps in terms of sales. A company has to manage its products, and I respect that. Or, they might march the changes up the line and add XLR to follow on the lower model.
I am currently running a pair of J2's as monos; only using 1 channel for each, and doubling up the speaker cable to the PureAudioProject Trio15 Horn 1 Speaker (reviewed). It's impressive to say the least, especially with a pair of Legacy Audio XTREME XD Subwoofers. Total of 8 15" woofers and horn system. When I apply my Schroeder Method of Interconnect Placement it becomes a completely different ball game.
Pass/First Watt products are pretty easy to make sound respectable, and have good potential to be stunning.
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For me the pass Int-250,or X-250.5 (monoblocks XA 200.8) in combination with the preamp from EAR 868,912 or 918. A perfect combination. |
I am currently waiting for delivery for my first (and hopefully my last) amp upgrade. I elected to go with the 260.8 mono's and Tuesdays delivery cannot get here soon enuf |
How about the X260.8 monoblocks???? Has anyone heard them?
XA-160.5 vs 160.8? |
Thanks for jumping in markum01, I was hoping somebody would mention the 260.8 monoblocks, which are sort of on my radar. I assume the 260.8 monos offer as much as the 250.8 stereo amp, plus some? Any comparisons between the 260.8 monoblocks and the 350.8? |
jtucker - Can you comment on the INT 150 sound?
douglas_schroeder - I spoke with Nelson Pass when I wanted a First Watt for the Wilson Sophia's and he directed me to the Pass XA-25. Said that it was a mix of First Watt and Pass; something that First Watt just could not execute like Pass can so it became Pass XA-25 and recommended I try it first. |
I have the 260.8 monoblocks. I have never been happier. They stay in class A till about 34 watts. |
Well, I’ve had an X250.8 since 2015 and think it is fabulous! I run it with an XP-20 preamp and use balanced cables between the 2.
i had an X150.8 previously. The X250.8 is much more than simply a more powerful version of the X150.8. The X250.8 has a nuance rarely found in other amps.
It’s a rock solid winner of an amp |
Yes I agree all Pass amps have to be mated to the appropriate speaker In order to determine what Pass amp would be best suited for the loudspeaker based on the loudspeakers efficiency. In our store which is called Sound Insight on Long Island We have over 20 different brands of loud speakers that can be auditioned with Pass amps.
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I've owned a Pass Labs XA30.5 the last couple of years.I like it mainly because it got me off the amp merry go round and had great synergy with both my vintage KEF 107s and more recent Spatial Audio M3s. The only other amp that came close to the 30.5 for me was the Rowland Model 2 (another lower powered amp).
I tend to lean towards higher quality watts than quantity and the 30.5 offers plenty of quality.
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I have the X250.8 and XP-22 and very happy... |
makes sense Jetter, as these Pass threads are up, pretty much every model has been liked and not liked by someone else... |
Pass 350.8 i owned it wonderful ,powerful and great sound. |
jl35, everything in good time. I will either eventually do a home trial with Reno HIFi or maybe wait for the dust to settle a little and pick up one on the used market, but I don't want to hurry the decision too much. It was not that long ago when I wanted a Luxman Integrated.
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Only owned and listened to one, Pass INT-150, which is my current amp. Did own the Pass designed Adcom GFA-5802 (2 of them in a bi-amp system driving Infinity IRS Gammas). I owned them a few years apart and drastically different speakers, so I can't make any meaningful comparison. Have to say I am a fan of Pass Labs. Not changing any time soon.
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Brother Mike,
Your right! At my age this were you start to forget your old girlfriend's names and what pieces of gear you owned throughout having fun is this crazy hobby. |
Hey Teajay...you owned so many of Nelson's babies, you don't even remember them all :o)
Don't forget you also own(ed) the...
Threshold Stasis 1
Pass XA100 (prior to the .5 that you had)
Pass X350.5
...and the SIT2
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Jetter, you need to call Pass and Mark at Reno HiFI, then go listen to some amps... |
The best Pass Labs is First Watt. Nuf said. |
Hey Jetter,
When Nelson Pass has been asked what is his all time favorite amplifier that he created/designed he says all of them!
As I stated it's my personal favorite of the .8 generation of amplifiers. However, I have a soft spot in my audiophile heart for the Threshold SA-1 mono-blocks because they too were warm,full, and sweet sounding but with great dynamics.
I forget to mention I also own a First Watt SIT2 that's also a wonderful music maker. Each of Nelson's creations offer slightly different "flavors" and the matching of the amps with the right speaker load also is very important. I loved the XA-25 on Tekton Double Impacts-pure magic, but found that my much larger 21 driver ULf's, that are easy to drive but love high current, did not match up as well with the XA-25 that's were the X-250.8 sounded better.
So, it's not the amplifier in isolation, but the matching/synergy to different speaker loads that tells the tail of the sonic tape. Still, the XA-25, with the right speakers is a "gem" of an amplifier at a reasonable price. |
Hi teajay, did you mean above that the XA25 is your favorite .8 series amp or your favorite of all pass amps? If its not your favorite and I am not inadvertently putting you on the spot do you mind me asking which is? Thanks
I'm thinking this may not be a fair question.
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Nelson Pass is a true genius when it comes to solid state amplification. I have been a life long owner of Threshold SA-1 mono-blocks, Aleph 1 mono-blocks, XA-100.5 mono-blocks, reviewed and bought the XA-60.8 mono-blocks, XA-25, and reviewed both the class A integrated amplifier and the 250.8 single chassis amp.
Recently I have gotten two pristine refurbished Threshold s/350e and a s/550e which still are wonderful amplifiers.
As I stated in my review on the XA-25, also made it a product of the year award winner, even though its the least expensive of the current .8 series amps its my personal favorite because of its rendering of timbres/tonality, and the image density that it creates. It also drops over 60 watts into 8 ohms and 120 watts into 4 ohms, so unless you drive very difficult speaker loads you might be shocked on how much power it can drop if needed.
I love/enjoy all my Pass Labs amplifiers and feel lucky that they are part of my stable of amplifiers. |
Kind of disappointed that more Pass owners didn't join in and discuss their amps. I have Pass on my radar lately. I guess we could just go ahead and give the stock answer "Pass owners are too busy enjoying their systems to write about them".
I believe my speakers are on the border of medium and low efficiency, so I was wondering if anyone who has the XA25 that found they could use a little more power. So far it seems enough power for everyone who has written about the amp.
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With Wilson’s you want x250.8 |
