Very bad idea bondmanp. It will leave a residue on your stylus which you will transfer to your records the everything will stick to everything.
If your records are clean the only thing you need to keep your stylus clean is an artist's brush. If you have old or used records always clean them before you play them for the first time. If you use a grounded sweep arm and a dust cover you will never have to clean them again. If the stylus collects something the brush can't get off the a solution of 25% 91% isopropyl alcohol in distilled water using the same brush will take it off. With modern styli that are glued to the end of the cantilever you do not want to do this more than once a month. |
mijostyn... It will leave a residue on your stylus which you
will transfer to your records the everything will stick to everything ... I've
not heard that complaint about Zero Dust. Are you simply speculating,
or do you you have actual experience with the product?
If
your records are clean the only thing you need to keep your stylus
clean is an artist's brush. That will work for everyone who
plays records in a "clean room." For those of us who live in domestic
environments, even a pristine LP will eventually accumulate dust.
If you use a grounded
sweep arm and a dust cover you will never have to clean them again. That is quite mistaken, but I'll let you prove that to yourself:
If
the stylus collects something the brush can't get off the a solution of
25% 91% isopropyl alcohol in distilled water using the same brush will
take it off ... If your records are truly clean there will be no dust for the stylus to collect. By the time a stylus visibly accumulates dust you've changed its effective VTF (because the force is distributed along a wider area), you've potentially ground some of that dust into the LP itself, and the dust has likely accelerated stylus wear.
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I’ve also heard that Moongel works just as the Onzo.
I also have an Onzo, but I switched over to Blu-Tack which is even less expensive and highly recommended by Peter Lederamann @ Soundsmith. |
I found the Onzow a HUGE waste of money. It works, but 3MBluetack or Magic Eraser do the same thing maybe better, for less.
Good move getting away from the audiophool stuff. |
I’m still using Last.stylus cleaner.
Occasional use of the ultrasonic stylus cleaner.
So old it was made in Japan.
stylist each play
Keeps the wear at bay
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@tablejockey... I do use magic eraser on my Ortofon OM40. But when I tried it with my Denon DL160, it didn't really grab much. I think magic eraser works better on some styli profiles than others. That's why I got the Onzo in the first place. |
You'll see the moongel is different. No problem in peeling your Onzow apart to clean it. I've been using the same one for over 10 years. When they get filthy, just clean under purified water, shake off excess and let air dry before putting it back together in its box & backing material. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es7YrqbQd_cThe Onzow Zerodust is an outstanding stylus cleaner - all you need. It is amazing at removing crude and fibers that brushes can't touch. When viewing cleaning results at 200X stereo magnification, styli appear to be "polished". The fact that they can be picked up cheaply on Amazon and last indefinitely make the product an easy recommendation. No need to purchase fluids! Use it after playing a record side when the stylus is hot. Ready to go next play. |
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Cleeds, Well said.. Thank you. |
I was so pumped to get the Onzo Zero Dust. Then I read Ortofon's website which specifically said, "We do not recommend using Onzo Zero Dust on our stylus".
Benz Micro same.
Why? Must be a reason. Cantilever damage? Anyhow, now I am skittish about using it.
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Peter Ledermann does not recommend it for his Soundsmith cartridges either. Which is when I switched to Blu-Tack |
Well, I read the comment on Ortofon’s website. It seems their objection is that the turntable could move while the stylus is in the gel thereby damaging the cantilever. I avoid this potential disaster by placing the Zero Dust on the plinth under a pad of post-it-notes that has been adjusted to the correct height to allow the stylus to drop in via the cuing lever.
Soundsmith's website doesn't mention Zero Dust specifically, but recommends Blu-Tack and no wet cleaning. I couldn't find anything on the Micro Benz website, |
Actually @ericsch , you’re right about Benz. I wrote Benz and they told me that they never heard of the Onzo....Got that one mixed up.
What I tried doing after reading Ortofon’s site was to carefully raise up the Onzo to the stylus tip while the tonearm is locked in the holder and gently tough the stylus.
But lately, I’m just using the brush. I cut off a flat ended piece of Magic Eraser and gorilla glued it onto the end of a flat ended toothpick, but have not used it yet.
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@vinylshadow... That's what I do, with the tonearm locked I raise the ZeroDust up to the stylus. I do this with the system powered up do I can hear when the stylus contacts the ZeroDust. I will carefully inspect the Moongel prior to using it on my styli. If it seems different than the ZeroDust, I may not take a chance. Although I do have an old OM30 stylus I could experiment with. If it's no good, I only blew $7. No big deal. |
The Zero dust comes out of its box like a dead jelly fish so you can clean it. Maybe you can remove it and get the original shape back. |
hello everybody, For many years I have used and advocated for Moon Gel as a stylus cleaner; and yes, it is pretty much the same Onzo Zero Dust. I also, maybe once-a-month, use MoFi's LP#9 stylus cleaner and the stiff Ortofon brush. I have observed no harm from the MoonGel. However once I tried Onzo I never returned to MoonGel. I Zero Dust after each record side.
peace and Noel
herb |
Cleeds, we seem to be perpetually miss understanding each other. I was talking about the Moongel not the Zerodust. Personally, I would not use either particularly with a more expensive cartridge that has it's stylus glued on and not set into the cantilever. Any lateral movement can potentially take the stylus off. If you don't believe this can happen take a look at the pictures on my system page and I do not even know how that happened.
Now lets see if I can explain this correctly. There is always dust in the air. If there are smokers in the house and a real exhaust fan is not used for cooking there is a lot of other stuff in the air besides. For the sake of argument let us just say that nobody smokes and an exhaust fan is used for cooking. There will still be dust in the air. If a record is charged it will pull dust into itself deep into the groove where it is harder to remove. If the record is not charged some dust will fall on it but will remain on the surface where it is easily removed by any brush. As an uncharged record is removed from its sleeve and placed on the platter some dust will fall on it. Once the dust cover is closed no further dust will fall on the record. If a conductive sleep arm is used any dust on the record will be collected before the stylus gets to it and the record will remain neutral. When finished the record is removed from the turntable and immediately placed back in its sleeve. Obviously a little dust might fall on it on the way but as the record is not charged it will only be a very small amount. In my house nobody smokes, an exhaust fan is always used when cooking and both air handler's have high efficiency filters. Consequently there is no other contamination in the air to dirty the record. The records stay clean. The stylus stays clean. Yes, occasionally a little dust will get by the sweep arm and I might have to knock it off with the artist brush maybe once a week. Records that are placed in an antistatic sleeve will never have a charge. I have noticed that some records stored in a paper sleeve can come out of the sleeve with a slight charge. So I encouraged everyone to get rid of these paper sleeves and compare what I have just said with their own experience.
The only record cleaning device I have is a spin clean which I only use on other people's records when they bring them in to be played. I do not buy used records.
As an aside, the 5 Analog Productions albums I sprayed with a chlorinated solvent are doing wonderfully well. Having removed some of the plasticizer on the surface of the records I expect them to last longer than normal. My guess is that this is how Last record preservative works. If you think brake cleaning fluid is bad for records, guess again. Hopefully, I will be able to disclose USP microscope pictures of the results.
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mijostynCleeds, we seem to be perpetually miss understanding each other. I don’t think we have any misunderstanding. You insist that a new LP is inherently clean, presumably because it is "new." I know that LPs are not made in clean rooms and that most - to one degree or another - are not truly clean but contaminated with some dust. You think that once an LP is clean by your standard, it will remain clean for all eternity so long as it has been handled properly. I contend that for those of us who live in domestic environments, it will eventually attract dust. You seem to acknowledge that only in part, but insist your turntable’s conductive sweep arm will remove the dust. Yet you are at a loss to explain how dust can accumulate on your stylus if your LP and room are free of dust. You’ve also argued strongly that changing a pickup arm’s VTA will also change its azimuth. I contend that as long as the arm was properly designed and installed, the two angles are completely independent. Your arguments can be proven false: Dust can be seen with the naked eye and azimuth can actually be measured. Yet you cling to your notions. That’s no problem for me, but it’s no misunderstanding, either. |
