New Tweak --- Its Fantastic
It's time to stop the arguments and try the product. I don't feel it's necessary at this point to apply TC to my electrical system. The improvement is incredible after just applying TC to my components. I'm hearing such detail even from background vocals and instruments. As I said previously, the music is projected further into the room and so much cleaner and clearer. My system has been elevated more so than any other product or component in the past 40+ years. I would like to hear other opinions of this incredible product instead of all the negativity on these forums lately. |
shadorne sez:
So answer this, shadorne, ... once "proof" that qualified electricians did the panels for Tim, and all doubt of the "danger" of TC is removed, and you no longer have anymore doubts ... WILL YOU BE BUYING THE PRODUCT? Frank |
Ozzy ... When Tim first contacted me with the proposal of becoming a beta tester, I was very reluctant based upon previous experiences with products like Quick Sliver. You’re right, they did dry, were difficult to remove and eventually degraded the sound. Total Contact is different ... in fact, apples and oranges. If you remember, the first batch, which you had, had little black specks of graphene in it that could be seen by the naked eye. The second batch less so. The third and final formula that is for sale now, and what is presently used in my system and those of my friends, is a completely smooth blend that applies in a thin, even coating. None of the versions, including the first one that you had, caused any dulling of highs in my system, but that could have been system related. I would encourage you to try the final version of TC. Its an amazing product. I keep finding new contacts to paste and there is an improvement each time I do. Frank |
@perfectpathtech You read completely wrong. I said I am confident that what you said is true about bonded electricians insalling your TC paste in 35 electrical panels. I am helping your cause. I am sure you will provide links to documents confirming what you say. As you know, anything can be said in an Internet forum and your sales will be helped by concrete proof of the safety of your product. If your product works in electrical panels then it has a far bigger market than audiophiles. This is all a great and welcoming thing - isn’t it - or am I missing something? |
I guess I must have had one of the earlier Beta versions. I used it for about 3 months. All the improvements in the bass as others noted were there. I guess you just get used to the sound as the new normal. But, when I removed the stuff the high frequencies returned and I then I realized that this stuff was dulling the sound, at least to me in my system. I would be willing to again try the final version if a sample can be obtained. Yes, I tried the Mad Scientists product as well and did not like it either. Perhaps I used too much material, I don’t know. In the past, products such as Quicksilver silver left a nasty dried up paste on the connectors which was not easy to remove. I’m in the camp of keeping connectors clean for the best sound. Unless as noted a new sample can be obtained to prove me wrong. ozzy |
@shadorne Proof? Wow, Tell you what, I have absolutely nothing to prove, especially to you. Questioning my creditably, hinting that I might be a liar. Electricians? I have had 1 he has been with me close to the start of my journey his name is Christopher Roy, licensed Master in both New Hampshire, and Massachusetts. Want his license number then Put the time in to find it. Second I did a panel service in Connecticut for a prominent reviewer. Used Herrick Electric, company owners name is Jordan Herrick, ask for him, sure he will provide you with a license number, and info about Tim Mrock. His company is licensed in MA, RI, CT, NY, for anybody living in any of these states, and needs and great honest electric work done. Anything else? |
@geoffkait No need to discuss further. Either it is true or it isn’t true that licensed bonded electricians did the work on 35 electrical panels (and documented evidence will be forthcoming on at least a few to confirm). I am confident it is true. Once proof is provided then we all know that it is safe to use as described and recommended. Without proof ....this is just an Internet forum and anyone can say anything... |
oregonpapa Again, the only time I have ever gone on the offensive here is when I’ve been attacked, or whenever this fine product has been attacked with verbiage like "snake oil." "goop," "scam" ... ect. Other than that, I’m a very mellow guy ...I'm the guy that first called it "goop" and I really didn't intend it in an negative way, so I'm sorry if anyone thought otherwise. I think the term "snake oil" gets bandied about here much too casually, usually to the discredit of whoever is making the claim. |
It’s probably lack of experience that someone would argue that electrical “opens” are the problem, or a problem, since anyone who’s ever used these contact enhancers to any extent, such as your friend and humble scribe, knows they are very conductive and can create shorts when used too aggressively, you know, such as going down too far on tube pins. But not opens. Recall that one issue that Silver, Silver/Gold and graphene contact enhancers address is incomplete contact due to micro imperfection of metal surfaces. I’m not referring to contact cleaners such as Deoxit. This all just illustrates that pseudo skeptics will think of ridiculous arguments in an attempt to stop the train of progress. 🚂 All aboard! Toot, toot! |
35 electrical panels is impressive... Actually it is often the opposite of a short that can be a problem. A poor or incomplete contact can create high levels of heat so it is important that whatever you apply does not dry out or break down over time or expand and/or interfere with the connection. Since this is done with 35 bonded electricians then you should have paperwork to support your claim - an electrician’s invoice and a description of work performed. No doubt you also have a city inspection certificate as electrical work on a breaker panel normally and legally requires a city inspection. Since TC is so thoroughly and rigorously designed and tested can you provide links and share the above information on just a few of the 35 electrical panels treated with TC? |
slaw sez:
yping stated the problem very well with these two thoughts:
Slaw ... Its one thing to have an honest opinion and to have doubts, and another to constantly deride a product and anyone who promotes it by hurling personal attacks. Until you’ve tried the product for yourself, in your own system, you have no legs to stand on and no credibility to fall back on. Why do you continue to come into this thread? Are you lacking in social graces? Missing a filter? Asperger's perchance? And by the way, slaw ... it doesn’t bother me either way if you buy the product or not. The only one losing here is you. It is what it is ... a fantastic product that enhances the performance of audio/video systems beyond where they were before in a very special way. Something that you won’t discover or enjoy because you’ve allowed your nose to get so far out of joint. Again, the only time I have ever gone on the offensive here is when I’ve been attacked, or whenever this fine product has been attacked with verbiage like "snake oil." "goop," "scam" ... ect. Other than that, I’m a very mellow guy. In the future, if you don’t want to be called out for the negative naysayer that you are, try to be a little more civil in your discourse. Reread yping’s last post in its entirety for a hint on how to act while around adults. Frank |
I guess, without you knowing it, you made my case by (your own words). ’’There WAS the gobblygook", but you know this..right?nope, not at all and you are clearly wrong. TC appears to be gobblygook to you and interesting how you have interpreted the posts but your interpretation is dramatically incorrect and even rude. Why do you want everyone to support your unfounded opinion when you haven't even tired TC? This is really quite unreasonable, don't you think so? Until I try it, I am happy to read other posters opinions and continue to ask, hopefully, reasonable questions. |
To @oregonpapa , I received a few audio devices this week that took my system to a new level. What may be of concern to you, is that the over 1K I spent this week on tweaks, some of that may well gone towards your TC product....if it wasn't for YOU! ...and frankly, Frank, I'm glad you had no interest in this purchase, Slaw |
So, how can a skeptic be a person who has any experience with any product that is under discussion?It would appear that you need proof, which is reasonable, but perhaps measurable proof isn’t available or easy to obtain and the measurable proof available is that it definitely appears to be very audible, by peoples ears. If TC works, for people, then compared to mega dollar component/speaker upgrades, this tweak is quite reasonable. I always trust my ears because my ears (and my brain) have to live with the resulting music reproduction, but it is nice that others have spent some money and time, and given there opinions on the musical result. |
A skeptic..what’s wrong with that?if you haven’t tried it then really you are a poor skeptic and a nay sayer, and if you are really vocal then you are an unreasonable skeptic and nay sayer. Flat earth comes to mind and measurable proof isn’t always easy. In fact, I would say that there is no measurable proof but it definitely appears to be very audible. Sorry in advance, just my thoughts. |
resolution1, I'm glad you are finding the same results even by applying TC a little at time. Tim had recommended I treat all connections at the same time so I could hear the total impact. I believe it was well worth the investment even if some say it's too expensive. If this product is too expensive, why do they spend so much on equipment and cables when there are so many great products for a fraction of the cost. Ron |
Tim, I treated the Audience AR2p TO power conditioner and the Audience power cord AU24 SEi going to an eichman powerstrip, that my main system plugs into. As mentioned in my last post, the CD player that I treatmented last night, also plugs into this powerstrip. That improvement by itself was quite noticible. Now, combined with this treatment, I can safely say that the improvements in clarity and dynamics are cumulative. I went though this as I was upgrading power chords, interconnects, and adding the Stillpoints over a two year period. The main difference is that each TC application maximizes each of these already quality upgrades for so little money. After just about five days, I can say that this stuff is a bargain, even if it does not get any better after “break in”. I will continue to treat different links in the chain and report back. Thanks |
Just want to add that Frank's CD player modified sounds 98% like my EAR Acute CD player ($6000). It is difficult to tell one from the other in a high end system.
Slightly tighter bass in Pioneer, slightly warmer mids in the Acute It proves that CD players don't have to be expensive, just well designed with good parts (and top quality ICs/power cables). |
You mentioned last week that I was a skeptic, as if that was something that is a negative? Do you really think others are suppose to just (fall in line) if someone like you posts positive comments about an unheard product? A skeptic..what’s wrong with that? You seem to have an inherent, built in adverse reaction to someone that (may) have any question to a new product? It seems to me that your reply, (no, your role) would be one that would readily accept skeptics and try to guide them through your extensive product knowledge in a even keeled way to bring those (skeptics) around to the correct way of thinking about the very product you are trying to endorse? What the hell is wrong with you? I’m still here, just like I promised. |
Frank, You totally mis-read me/people. If you really thought the way you post, why on earth, would you continue to make (your case)? Is it that you feel "your case" has not been made? Then, if so, Is it that you still feel a need to have someone to blame for all of your negative comments/posts/roll-out, for this product? If so, Am I the (fall-guy) that you think may be your only outlet to let all of your past failures in your effort to advertise this product in a constructive, ongoing way that relieves you from your initial responsibilities? You stated that I don’t want people/companies to succeed. How do you come to such a conclusion from my posts? When have I ever made statement that could support that sentiment? Of coarse, I do realize I’m asking the same person who made that crude accusation to respond to my question??? And...Frankly, Frank... I think the product does what others say it does. It is YOU that kept me from being a customer. Slaw |
slaw sez:
Grudge? Not me Junior ... I just call 'em as I see 'em. Go back and re-read all of your negative posts in this thread from the beginning, slaw ... then tell us how trying your best to derail the new product has failed. Utterly failed. Tell us how sorry you are, slaw. Then after that, apologize to Tim about your destructive behavior. That's what a REAL man would do, slaw. For the life of me slaw, I cannot imagine why you continue to return to this thread, other than to continue to interject your negative BS ... especially in consideration of all of the very positive reviews starting to come in. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By the way ... for the positive thinkers ... Grover modified a Pioneer Elite DVD player for me a couple of weeks ago. New caps and a beefed up power supply. I've been using it as a CD player. This is one hell of a player. It was treated with TC upon bringing it home two weeks ago. Had to get an adapter so it would accept the SR power cord. Robert came over for a listening session last night and commented on how much more coherent everything was compared to when he listened last, three nights ago. I attributed it to the TC starting to set. I only pasted the power cord and the IC's. A fantastic product. Frank |
I just applied TC and want to add my impression to these discussions. Before applying, I contacted Tim the other day concerning application to the various contacts. Tim was most informative and very genuine. We spoke at least 20 minutes and he answered all my questions so I felt quite confident prior to the application. Application went very smoothly on all my components which took about 2 hours. This included 10 power cords, both on the male pins on the cables and in the components IEC sockets; 7 RCA/ SPDIF cables and the outer socket shell on the components; 4 fuses; speaker spades, SR XOT banana pins; 6 SR power warts and connections. I did not apply any to the electrical feeds to the receptacles which I may do later. I did not use the supplied gloves but it was easy to wash off with soap and water. I used approximately .5ml TC on all these contacts so there is enough for 2 additional systems. Now to the sound. My dedicated sound room is 13x18x7 with a suspended acoustical ceiling, area rug and acoustic panels placed at specific locations. The speakers are approximately 4’ from the front wall and 3’ from side walls and 7’ apart. My listening position is 8’ from the speakers. The first thing I noticed was a larger soundstage which also extended forward. There is also more pop in the music. Voices and instruments were cleaner and clearer. Digital glare on poorer recordings was reduced. This is truly a great product and tweak to my system. I’ve tried various tweaks throughout the years and not all have made a difference or improvement. I’m looking forward to any further improvement over the next 8 week break in period. BTW- I want to thank Frank for starting this post and responding to my personal questions. |
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@oregonpapa, Now! Your question "since when have you been willing to be incorrect" is really invalid. OK, I missed it. You want to make a federal case out of it. Again, you let your passion get ahead of whatever guides your posts here. (You really hold a grudge, don’t you?) (for the record, I answered (now) to Frank’s question as to whether I could admit to being wrong) I did not find it hard to do. I expect the same going forward. |
Hope everyone is enjoying this beautiful day! I wanted to make a statement pertaining to the use of TC in electrical panels. I stated before I have 35 full panel treatments under my belt. All were done with a Licensed & Bonded Master Electrician, My panel I did alone, but that is my legal right. My point is in no way do I advocate anyone going into their panel without a Bonded Electrician. I also would like to state The reckless posting of the panel fire. It is obvious the poster has never been in a panel, the scenario it utterly absurd. For starters, it is almost impossible to create a short between circuits or the legs. For the current customers that are going to have a electricians go into their panels, feel free to call me, I will walk you through the important contacts to do, which you will know what to look for while the job is being executed, or you can have your electrician contact me. Have a great Weekend! |
Slaw sez ...
Slaw ... go back to page one and read the thread from the beginning. And since when have you been "willing to be incorrect?" Frank |
yping ... You had a question regarding the comparison of what the Mad Scientist is offering in his graphene contact solution vs TC. I haven't tried the MS product, but there are plenty of reviews on the web. Based upon the reviews I've read, MS is oil based and is really messy. There are a couple of good reviews, but mostly the improvement gained was marginal. That's not the case with TC. Because of its unique binder, it goes on in paste form, is not messy ... and offers amazing results. The old adage is still true ... "You get what you pay for." Frank |
Total Contact dulls nothing. None of the three versions I beta tested dulled anything at all. In fact, the highs were improved right along with everything else. The final version, the one that is for sale, is the smoothest and best sounding of the three. Just a simple question for the "scientists" and the "electricians" with PHD's in these various sciences: If one eliminates micro arcing in a circuit panel by "pasting" each switch's contact points with TC, therefore enhancing the contact points, how does that create a fire hazard? Inquiring minds want to know. Electricity is electricity. After a year of trials with TC, so far none of my audio equipment has gone up in smoke. Just way more efficient in operation. Tim ... how many panels have you done to date? As a result, how many Nagasaki's and Hiroshima's have you created? Frank |
Mribob ... Thanks for the kind words. I enjoyed the time spent with you and your music system. There's lots left to do in order for you to appreciate what TC can do. Power cords, fuse ends, TV cable box, DVD player ... and any other connection you can find. And boy, was that scotch delicious! :-) Frank |
Its time for me to report my experience of having TC applied to my inter-connects and speaker cables, Frank himself was gracious enough to come over and assist with the project. We used paper towels, to keep my coffee table clean, we got some graphene darkening on our fingers, which cleaned up easily. I've had the system 'cure' for over a week, and have at least 30 hours of music playing through it. My impression is similar to other positive posters: it clearly tightened up the bass, it is now less 'muddy' and clear. A bit more organic and full sound, what I call 'meat on bones' sonic density, and removed some digital grunge from the highs. I think my system was already pretty resolving...for digital I am using Vivaldi dac 2.02, connected to Network Bridge and solid state NAS drives, with TA cords, Veloce tubed battery powered pre, Hegel H-30 stereo amp, Venture speakers. I wouldn't say the changes were as dramatic as some have posted, but everything matters, and with tweaks, some work, some don't. In this case, I feel it definitely helps improve my enjoyment of listening to music, which is primary goal. It's an easy process, and to help calm some of the hyperbole, you just need to try it yourself, and make your own evaluation.I'm glad I did, I now need to paste my power cords and power conditioner...something I didn't complete.I'll continue to enjoy the benefits of this simple tweak, and hope for a bit more refinement as I reach the more critical 80 hour period of burn in and stabilization. Thanks, Frank...you are a good man, a true friend, and I am grateful for your pursuit of allowing us to improve our home listening experience with simple tweaks like Blue fuses, and TC contact enhancer. I am also glad to learn more about jazz and music from you. Please keep it up, and remain true to yourself. |
Total Contact dulls nothing.. I have the latest version the same as I understand Frank is now using and is the subject of this current thread. Frank stated he had tested 2 previous versions that he pasted and easily removed before the application of this final version. I never heard the older versions. The latest version I have sounds wonderful and is easy to work with. Tom |
