@elixir I would advise against it. It is really designed to be applied and reconnected.
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Good day! This is Tim Mrock developer of the new Total Contact. I have spent most of my spare time the last 15 or so years playing with contact enhancement. Early on after trying several, I tried Quicksilver Gold, top of the class for sure, actually cutting edge. The real genius in Brian's product was the binder. He was taken back with what I was enhancing.
I had nothing to do with his product development! I was the art guy, or creative applications. I also became the money guy as well for the patent pursuit. Took MY SWEAT EQUITY out of my home to go for the patents.
The problem with Quicksilver was to much binder and the fact you had to mix it. It does not take a rocket scientist to realize with that set up, that it is impossible to control the quality of the product. I never experienced degradation with it, but I poured most of the binder out before mixing.
I have very intimate knowledge with all available contact enhancers. Could go on and on, however that is not what this thread is about.
Total Contact is a engineered product. If you think it is as simple as A+B+C, and a little Cryo, and bingo, it is not, and by a long shot.
I also saw it put out there that TC cost nothing to make, oh really? You are welcome to contact me, come over and show me how its done! I cant wait!
I have loved Audio and Music since I was little kid, I hate snake oil as much as anyone. Tweaks they have to make big improvements for me or well, a no go.
I also see TC is being called goo, actually the correct terminology would be Cold Plating Compound. Goo would migrate, TC does not. I also suspect goo would not clean up or remove easily, again not the case with TC.
What happens after it has fully polymerized, and you want to remove it? Alcohol will easily break it down for removal.
If a connection is broke after it has polymerized if the connection is put back together exactly the same ,like a XLR or power plug it will self repair, at least once, I have not tried multiple times.
As far as the amount vs price, all I can say is less is more with this product it just goes on and on, like the testers have said. More than enough to do a really big system.
If TC is anything less than what has been claimed sonic-ally, It will be done within a month or less after the first tubes are sent out,that's a fact.
The only drawback with this new product is shelf life, 6 months for sure. Longer not sure. If the product is well received I will invest in a special mixer that will air-rate the compound that will dramatically increase shelf life.
I will before product launch load our system in virtual systems just to show we do have real skin in the game. I will also make the room available by appointment to anyone who would like to hear what music sounds like without micro arcing all the way to the electric meter, over 1000 connections in our case. We live 25 minutes to Manchester International Airport. Its worth the trip!
I honestly cannot be anymore transparent, or genuine then what I have posted.
The launch of TC will be exclusively through Audiogon & their Express checkout. The 9th is in 3 days not going to happen, confident I can make it by the 15th or close to it.
As a member of this community meeting the expectations of fellow audio, music lovers is more important to me than anything else! I would like to thank everyone for their interest!
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@jafreeman
That's exactly right ! Thank you for the perfect text book description!
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@maplegrovemusic
Yes, and thank you for the question. On the connections as log as its left on. The base metal under the connection will not oxidize either.
Yes 6 months and counting because that's the most time I have had with the 3rd revision. eventually it will harden. That's the number I feel comfortable with. Air-rating would improve longevity. Keeping it in the freezer will slow it, vacuum sealer to store it in would extend it the most.
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Good evening all!
Just wanted to clarify today Is the 9th and as I stated no release. I am pleased to report I feel very confident as of this afternoon, I will be releasing as stated Monday morning January 15th.
Get ready, this is going to be a lot of FUN!
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@geoffkait Nobody ever said micro arcing results in a loss of power. Nor does it.
Actually it does. easily measured with a lithium battery, a ESC, and a brush less in runner or out runner motor. However that pertains to a different hobby.
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@hifiman5
It is noticeable out of the gate, one of the unique features is the break in is very linear, that's never happened before with contact enhancers.
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@hifiman5
Yes sir.
You can almost set your watch to it.
Actually,when Frank hit the 4th week he called me right up very excited. At that point there was no way it could improve anymore he felt. I assured him that as good as the 4th week was, it was a taste of what was coming.
8th week to the day, phone rang and Frank was a very happy camper. The 8th week must be experienced, no amount of words can convey what takes place.
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@fazee
Thank you sir for being my first customer! Already on its way!
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@tommylion
I have been following your thread on the gutwire, which is excellent. Next on my project list. I am going to roll my own ground cables, and put together my own drain box. Like yourself, I was surprised at how important grounding points are. Last spring I put my new product on just the clamps on my grounding rods. It was amazing how those 3 points made such a huge impact.
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@tommylion We would love to have you over, yes 120 miles,well worth the trip.
Total Contact on the Ultimate Ground wire will multiply the effects a lot.
In the meantime something that requires no disposable income. Have you ever tried replacing any of your equipment screws and bolts with solid brass ones? Theaudiotweak suggested I try it starting with the screws in my speakers. I have replaced about 150 so far, for the cost vs yield in performance, nothing comes close.
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@leggoslave
It is suppose to be, Checked all the appropriate boxes when creating the ad. Not sure what the problem is. I apologize to all having difficulty trying to purchase.
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@Deeperthought Thank you for posting the pdf great stuff. Unfortunately Wolf_Garcia has informed me because of the use of the phrase quantum tunneling your pdf is FAKE NEWS, lol
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@tommylion I expect the caution, even welcome it, but yes special synergy. Its a fun ride, and due to the nature of the break in, 8 weeks goes by pretty fast.
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@sgordon Thank You Sir! Your fun has just begun. and again I thank you for the opportunity to have earned your business.
Tim Mrock
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@tommylion MC-0.5 I use 5 of them, did mine months ago. That's all I am saying as well.
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@resolution1 We never received the first one at 12;00 pm. Responded to the last one within a couple of minutes after receiving notification. We were on the phone earlier today with Audiogon, this stuff was supposed to be sorted out. My apologies very very frustrating. The listing should auto reload, so there is no lag in the offering. Please bear with us! Shipping will be on me for the trouble in your case. Thank You Tim Mrock
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@resolution1 If the connection is broken it will not need reapplication, this can be done once. Multiple disconnections may require touch up only, not a complete redo.
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@sgordon
I applaud your creativity! Should be dry to the touch in 2-3 weeks. Leaving it in a Southern exposed window will help accelerate the drying process.
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@shadrone I have 35 panels under my belt. First for the scenario you paint, the product would have to migrate, it does not. Second I do not recommend at all individuals playing with their panels, liability.
I have already had a UL quote, have any idea what that cost? A lot, Hence ever see a aftermarket power cord with one? There are few, but not many. UL listing is on my list. When I hit a certain number of units sold UL will be executed. Thank you for concern for your fellow Audiophiles.
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@resolution1 Ziplock will keep it in suspension for a while, keeping it in the freezer will prolong it. Worst case, if it hardens on the brush, it will easily clean off, so the brush can be reused. My phone number is on the instructions, so do not hesitate to call!
Thanks
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@slaw
You asked so I will share about sil-clear, only because I had a lot of experience with it, and it was not positive at all. Starts ok, seemed promising. did stop the micro arcing. At around a month the sound started going south, trying to remove it was a nightmare!!! Thank God I had not put any in my electrical system. I also wondered how they could sell such a large amount for so little? Want to know the answer? Take some put a drop of nitric acid on it and let us know what happens.
It is not my intention to crap on other enhancers, I have sat quietly and watched this truly revolutionary product dragged through the mud, along with my name, and reputation. My point with above example is there is nothing even close. Would you rather ride a horse or drive a indy racer?
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@slaw My apologies!
@resolution1 Your welcome, can't wait for you to try it.
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@ Slaw
In case you missed it, I apologized, I am only human hence the apology, beyond that I really don't know how to appease you.
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@a25105 Thank you for the questions, it has been suggested 2 or more folks pool up to purchase a kit. The shelf life is very very conservative. Video will be forth coming, along with a website.
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@hifiman5
Thank you, all very good advice. Website fourth coming soon, including video. Working on the pro review. Also waiting for more fresh market feedback.
Frank is one of kindest human beings I ever had the pleasure to meet. I understand how his enthusiasm about TC appears over the top. All I can say is if you try the product, do the whole system, after the eighth week you will know precisely were he is coming from. I am in this thing for the long haul!
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@resolution1 My pleasure! The linear break in, will make 4 weeks go pretty fast. Have fun and enjoy the music!
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3 versions to be exact, and Frank chose to reveal that, all done in the beta. Wanted to extract every last bit of performance before bringing it to market.
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Hope everyone is enjoying this beautiful day!
I wanted to make a statement pertaining to the use of TC in electrical panels. I stated before I have 35 full panel treatments under my belt.
All were done with a Licensed & Bonded Master Electrician, My panel I did alone, but that is my legal right. My point is in no way do I advocate anyone going into their panel without a Bonded Electrician.
I also would like to state The reckless posting of the panel fire. It is obvious the poster has never been in a panel, the scenario it utterly absurd. For starters, it is almost impossible to create a short between circuits or the legs.
For the current customers that are going to have a electricians go into their panels, feel free to call me, I will walk you through the important contacts to do, which you will know what to look for while the job is being executed, or you can have your electrician contact me.
Have a great Weekend!
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@shadorne
Proof? Wow, Tell you what, I have absolutely nothing to prove, especially to you. Questioning my creditably, hinting that I might be a liar.
Electricians? I have had 1 he has been with me close to the start of my journey his name is Christopher Roy, licensed Master in both New Hampshire, and Massachusetts. Want his license number then Put the time in to find it.
Second I did a panel service in Connecticut for a prominent reviewer. Used Herrick Electric, company owners name is Jordan Herrick, ask for him, sure he will provide you with a license number, and info about Tim Mrock. His company is licensed in MA, RI, CT, NY, for anybody living in any of these states, and needs and great honest electric work done.
Anything else?
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@resolution1 Power cables are a good choice to show your friend. Thank you for your enthusiasm! No current needed, Oxygen does the work. 4th week, I would say when it happens, it sucks you in, What is this? Seems to be the typical reaction. You will know for sure! No mistaking it!
@mapman pretty soon, I will be listing one.
@candela007 You can not use or mix this product with solder! It is not a substitution for solder. I do not recommend pulling the covers off your equipment and looking for connections.
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@soundlogic Tracking was uploaded shortly after purchase, mailed same day here it is again #9405803699300586793518 you are suppose to receive tomorrow.
Customer service is #1 priority! You buy, we ship, immediately!
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@Klh007 treating just the outer metal part which is the return or ground, will yield good results.
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@soundlogic Your welcome, and thank you! Hope you have a blast!
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@ozzy your emails have been addressed with a private message.
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@ozzy Very very disappointing.
I could post the entire email exchange, I mean starting with the beta offering almost a year ago. Have them all, just in case.
I choose to go hi when they go low. Hey that sounds familiar, who said that?
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@resolution1 Yes I have, and I get the point you are making. I am elated that you are enjoying my product, and thank you for your continued support and contribution!
T minus 5 days till a couple of lift offs.
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@fazee Make sure you do all the grounds in the the breaker box, also if you can follow the grounding wire to their rods, applying TC to the wire and clamp yields excellent results. Massive reduction in the noise floor.
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@resolution1 As much as I would like to, not until it has a UL listing. If you are going to go through the expense, of hiring a electrician, I would suggest giving me a call, I can help you figure out how deep you wanna go in the panel.
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I am pleased to make a announcement regarding longevity of Total Contact. I originally stated I would guarantee at least 6 months. In all the years I have been making contact enhancers, I have never offered a product for sale. I always made up what I needed as I went along. I only started putting it in a syringe after a friend recommended it.
I had sent a tube to a friend many years ago, and while recently talking. he mentioned he still had it, and it was still good. He received it from me in early March 2014. He is sending it back to me to analyze.
So it looks like 3-4 year shelf life easily.
Tim
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@barbapapa Thank you for your business! Really excited for you to join the club. Don' forget to do the plugs on your bybee neutralizers.
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@mapman there used to a hefty amount of info on Wikipedia, that all vanished around 2007 about a year after we filed for our first patent.
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@geoffkait Carbon fiber sleeve tweak? I think I saw that thread, talking about putting carbon fiber flex sleeve over existing cables right?
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@geoffkait I would think tying the downstream end to negative would greatly increase the effect wouldn't you?
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@richmon You are very kind Sir! Welcome aboard!
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@ candela007 @kedoades Thank you to both of you for your detailed input, fasten your seat belts, the best is coming!
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@fazee Your very welcome and thank you! Very impressed with your thoroughness ! I will give you a heads up, where you did the ground rod, you may experience a loss in bass, and may sound off a few days during the break in, it will return in spades. For some reason, and not really sure why. Pasting any of the grounds in the AC system yield non linear characteristics during the break in process.
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@fazee That was my findings on treating grounds only, thank you for your input! Enjoy the ride and keep us updated. Your input is important!
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@ resolution1 @ tommylion
Your satisfaction is priceless to me! actually everyone's is. My biggest concern is what are you guys going to do when the eighth week rolls in? Lol.
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@docknow @a25105
Thank you both for your business. I am working on an upgraded set of instructions and a website. In the mean time, please feel free to call me (phone number included in the instructions). I'd love to discuss your system, how to use TC and what you can look forward to! Thanks again. Tim
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