My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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ok, 
does anyone have particular tracks that sound similar to the ones i posted above? if you have test tracks, share them here!
Just play the entire First Side (3 songs) of Dire Straits "Making Movies" album. Probably the best produced album at that time and a perfect album side. 
Mrdecibel, could’nt agree more on your ´Tin Pan Alley’ track. Gives me goosebumps every time I listen to it.
SRV or Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble is the artist.Texas Flood is the album
WC, the track is on the album 'The Real Deal: Greatest Hits Volume 1' on Tidal.
WC, here are my favorite test tracks. These are identified by track/artist/album and are all available on Tidal. I have diverse musical taste and sorted things out in order by mood, ambient up to techno:

Music Box/The Cinematic Orchestra/Ma Fleur
Notes Falling Slow/Cowboy Junkies/ Notes Falling Slow
Shortline/Ry X/Dawn
Everything Disappears/Thomas Stronen/Time is a Blind Guide
So/The Range/Potential
Crisis/Anohni/Hopelesness
Deadman/Shackleton/Deadman
NY is Killing Me/Jamie XX/We're New Here


It does not show up on my 'Texas Flood' album. Maybe robertrs has a different version.
Tin Pan Alley also appears on " Couldn’t Stand The Weather ", which was released 1 year later after Texas Flood.  The Texas Flood version was recorded live. The version I am referring too is the Studio version, recorded and done in 1 take, but with much higher resolution, that made this one, heralded as the " one to play ", showing off systems and such.
Bireli Lagrene.......”More”.......is absolutely marvelous
You can clearly hear the delicate guitar bends, slides and harmonics of the instrument.

WC, I get no credit ?, as I brought it up 1st. I should has specified the version of TPA on " Couldn’t Stand the Weather ", as this version of Tin Pan Alley, since it’s release in mid 1984, has been a standard of every audiophile, even many with a greater interest with classical music. And yes, it shows up on SRV  greatest hits releases.
I thank you too... sorry hahah 
i would like to begin to write my will and make sure I am buried with these components. I don’t think the casket can accommodate these amps though. :) 
@whitecamaross
Guys I actually sent it to him months ago. It was in The Ayon Audio Sampler disc.It is absolutely one of the best IMO. It has :
Domination by Peace Orchestra
Tin Pan Alley- Stevie Ray Vaughan
Bela Fleck-Flight of The Cosmic Hippo
My Battle-- Andrea Houston
Walking On The Moon --Yuri Honing Trio
Bessame Mama-- Poncho Sanchez
Suitcase-- Keb’ Mo
Fink--See It All
and many more but those right there are some Great Demo songs
I find that the old group WAR had some great recordings .Especially "The World is a Ghetto" Album
So now, WC can compare the streaming version and the cd version of SRV's TPA, and give us his thoughts on that comparison. greyhound...very familiar with each song in your line up, and I have to agree, all spectacular. Yuri Honing Trio is awesome !
I also sent some Bela Fleck and Keb’ Mo Cds
Both pretty good for demoing equipment
I might have sent some Poncho Sanchez, if not I should have 
If there’s a better sounding song than Tin Pan Alley or similar, please share it. That song is INSANE 
The War Album I am talking about was actually the 40th Anniversary Expanded Edition "The World Is a Ghetto" done in 2012.

Damn WCSS, You might want to re-visit some of the ones I sent .. ..LOL
I know that they are not all demo material, but several were. I guess , in your defense, I did not send song titles or cd insert with that info .. I should have listed what was on that Ayon one. You are gonna have to Shazam that cd to find the Artist and songs,... sorry.
A real sleeper so to speak(no pun intended) is
 ZZ-Top-"Asleep in the Desert"
It is an Instrumental. If you have not heard it , you would not know that it is ZZ-Top
I am going to revisit every single Type of song. This new front end has me wanting to listen to everything and that’s a great feeling. The amps sounded good 2 days ago but I don’t know what happened because today the sound has me hypnotized to say the least. It’s a drastic difference. 
Blues Is A Feeling - Blues Company,From Daybreak to Heartbreak
Crying - James Blood Ulmer Live Experience
Three O'Clock Blues - BB.King & Eric Clapton

I believe I told WhitecamaroSS to try to evaluate a system by playing live un mastered songs that are well recorded.
One such song I played for you in the GT Audioworks Room at Axpona was Marcus Miller 
From Tutto Revisted - the song was Jean Pierre track 5- I saw you shaking your head in disbelief when I was demoing the system.
Another cd is Rodrigo y Gabriella Live in Japan
song is Stairway to Heaven.
These songs are a must when evaluating any system.
Listen up then I hope you listen to them again on the GT system.
Wow, just typed a list and lost it! Arggghhh

@mrdecibel 

Not a big SRV fan, but wow, that Tin Pan Alley track is very well recorded. Thanks for the rec.

@whitecamaross 

I've notice that you enjoy a lot of genre's, so I hope you enjoy some of my recs.

Uncle Tupelo - Sandusky
Dido - Give you up
Chemical Brothers - We've got to try
Carey Bell - It's so easy to love you
American Football LP3 (whole album)
Cibela - The shine of electric dried leaves - Phoenix, Flying High

@grey9hound 

On the subject of War, check out Low Rider. Really great recording.
@whitecamaross 

Meant to mention that Carey Bell - "It's so easy to love you" is a spectacular recording.
I’ve added every single song you all have suggested. I can’t wait to hear them all tomorrow night. Keep them coming if you have anymore please ! 
WC, Tin Pan Alley was recorded and released in 1983 / 1984, as I indicated. Here is another I believe you will find fun, and will be a system tester, for sure. It was 1983, and a recording engineer named Tom Jung, started a new label ( Digital Music Products, better known as DMP ), all digital, and a direct to digital format ( no overdubbing, 1 take ) and a musical 1st of it's kind for the new format, the CD. The name is " Tricycle ". I am sure you can download it, as it is available on YouTube. Enjoy ! Always, MrD. I have a question, WC.....Were you around in 1983 ? lol .....My son was born that year.
@mrdecibel 

Is that Flim & the BBs?

If so, that was my first CD! Tunnel is another great record by them.
Pokey...Absolutely. I cannot believe I left out the name of the band in my post. In '83, I was invited to visit DMP in Connecticut with some other industry folks, to see the facilities, and we were each given a copy. Great to this day. I have the entire DMP library on CD, but Tricycle is very special to me, as it probably is to you. Play it. I hope WC gets his hands on a lossless download. Enjoy ! MrD.
BTW, I purchased all the others...…..although, if I put my hand out, I could have gotten them on the arm, I am sure. But that wasn't me.
just so soothing listening to all these recordings tonight. thanks for sending these around.  will take some time to know each of these tracks
wc - for fun, just a few
- Ballad of the runaway horse - Rob Wasserman
- Mansa - Djelimady Tounkara (extra nice 24/96 version)
- Birds - Dominique Fils Aime - Nameless
- Terracentric - Rodrigo y Gabriela
- Love came here - Lhasa
- for Trouble is what’s your’re in -  my favorite version is the live from union chapel in london. (maybe what u listen to already)
@whitecamaross 
The amps sounded good 2 days ago but I don’t know what happened because today the sound has me hypnotized to say the least. It’s a drastic difference.
Can you say "Lampizator"  :)
It IS at its best as a  DAC and not really a Pre-Amp...Right ?
WC-
It will be helpful to know what elevated the 205 or hampered the Lampizator the last time you compared them as they were reported to be  in the same league. 
I can certainly give some feedback as to what happened last time in regards to me finding the oppo 205 and the lampizator sounding the same through the ref10.
My take? Well it can be either of these 2 things:
1. The ref10 simply does not pass the signal as pristine as possible. It “sugar coats it” with whatever sound the engineering team at arc wanted out of it.
2. The tubes were at 2k hours. Maybe the tubes were just not performing right anymore and this took away the qualities from each source I connected to it.

i can certainly say that the solid state preamp I use now (Virgo 3) seems to be more appropriate for my neoltihs. 

One last thing and a surprise to you all:
i am going to be trying a set of tube amplifiers very soon. :) 

Had you kept the Ref 10 I would guess the 160M but since you ditched that...HMM...Mike carries Vac so maybe the 200IQ?  I wouldnt think you would stretch for the new 450 VAC or whatever that Monster is called.
A very few A+ sonic gems . May have been mentioned already. Mainstream recordings that won’t leave you wishing for vinyl. Trust me.
Love over Gold.   Dire straits 
Brothers in arms.  Dire straits
Document.  Rem
Honky Chateau Elton John 
Madman Across the Water.  Elton john
One more car one more driver. Eric Clapton
Live at Pompeii. David Gilmour
The Dance. Fleetwood Mac
Broken Arrow. Neil Young
Live at Bass Hall. Lindsey Buckingham
Late Mozart piano concertos.  Any that are on channel classic label 
All the pretty horses soundtrack 

There are a number of good SRV recordings.

Most of The Sky is crying is well recorded. Life by the Drop in particular

Eric Clapton - From the Cradle is outstanding

Gary Clark Jr. - the Bright Lights EP is good and a fun listen

A number of the MTV unplugged recordings are spectacular

Rock Candy Funk Party - We Want Grove / The Groove Cubed both well recorded. Some of the stuff on both is really good to demo with. All sorts of nuggets on both recordings.

On to a few things with a little more octane...(not to be listened to at lower volumes)

Metallica - Black Album

Pantera - I’m broken

Motley Crue - Dr. Feelgood (inspired the recording for the Black Album also)

Rage Against the Machine - Killing in the Name (and a fair number of other tracks), listen loudly and let it roll right into Take the Power Back, killer bass line.

Tool - Entire Catalog

Porcupine Tree - Anesthetize - off of Fear of a Blank Planet






WC, Not a high end or audiophile recording ( not horrible by any means ), but if you want to really " get into " your system, have some tissues with you. Studio version of " Europa ", by Santana, appeared originally on his Amigo album. Lots of internet talk about who, and why, he wrote this piece. There are live versions as well, and, done by many other artists, such as Gato Barbieri. But, imo, showcases Carlos as a wonderful, soulful, guitar player. Just beautiful, and yes, I have cried listening to this song, on more than 1 occasion. Enjoy ! MrD.
"Sojourn Of Arjuna" on the "Left Of Cool " Album
Bela Fleck and The Flecktones. It is their best Demo song IMO.
Please check it out. It is especially a Great Bass and Dynamics Test
WC, I am guessing, as wonderful as your system is sounding now, you want a little more " color ", that admittedly, you stated the ARC preamp gave you. Tube amplification, which ever they are, will do it. 
WC I have a current reference ARC pre and the stock tubes have failed at approx. 400 hours on two occasions which supports one of you theories.     
I want to thank everyone here who has been proactive about all the music suggestions and also getting back on track on what you all enjoy about my crazy journey. i feel a bigger participation is certainly taking place now and that’s a great thing. 

Coming up next:
SYSTEM 1 

Nordost Odin 1 speaker cables 
Nordost Valhalla 2 xlr (from the source to the preamp)
wireworld platinum 8 xlr from preamp to amp
nordost Odin 1 powercord on the dac and preamp

VERSUS 

System 2

wireworld platinum 8 speaker cables 
wireworld platinum 7 xlr (from the source to the preamp)
wireworld platinum 8 xlr from preamp to amp
nordost Odin 1 powercord on the dac and preamp. 



Which system do you have winning??? Let me hear your thoughts ! I am going to do this experiment tonight so let me get your opinions !

I will guess System 2, primarily because of the speaker cables.  What power cords are on the amps?
Dave
System 1, WW platinum 7 can sound a bit dark in the mids, haven't had the pleasure to here the WW8. The Nordost Valhalla 2 I think will balance it out a bit.

System 3 alternative.
WW 8 SC
V2 source to pre
WW 8 pre to am
Odin 1 PC dac & pre.