Mounting a Jelco Tonearm


This is from a good friend of mine who is having a dilemna mounting a Jelco Tonearm.  I hope someone is able to help:

" I've been trying to determine a foolproof method for accurately locating the hole for a tonearm in a plinth.   I think the pivot to spindle distance or the total effective length provided by Jelco is just wrong.    Everytime I mount this thing it seems like it's not quite in the position it should be so the cartridges sit 1) in the middle of the headshell and 2) line up nicely with the alignment grid.  I think one of the numbers is wrong. But which one, and by how much?


I actually have one of those Dennesen Soundtracktors.   Do you remember those?  They are basically an older, plastic version of the expensive, but very nice aluminum Dr. Feikert one.


There's got to be a simple, logical way to work this out.  


It's amazing I can't seem to find information on the Internet about this.  I wonder what audio shops do?"

Thanks in advance for your comments,

Louis


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I wouldn't be able to tell you if your arms are installed correctly, I'm certainly no authority on the subject, that is why I was asking the question for a friend.  If it sounds good, I'm sure you have it set up correctly.

My friend replied to me that he got his turntable geometry worked out and that it's amazing when it's right because everything just snaps into place.  He then sent me a few pics of his TT which is a Technics SP25 in a custom plinth.
Lou,  So are you going to tell us Jelco owner what the conclusion was, or are we gonna wonder if our arms are installed correctly?
Thanks for all of your responses everyone, my friend has figured it all out, happy and a healthy New Year to all you A'goners.  May we all have a great year.  Happy Listening!!!

Yes, he led me towards classical music which has done more for me than anything else of human origin   in my life .
I'm a bit  ashamed I was so bold . when I  joined A'gon I thought there was nothing but R&R fans on here so I acted out .
Schubert, I have a fairly broad range of musical interests, chamber music, symphonic, mostly mainstream jazz (Coltrane, Monk, Miles, Bill Evans, etc; blues and some R'nR.

I love good music, as long as it's what I consider good. Not big on rap or opera (although I do listen to Wagner's Ring Cycle on pristine vinyl on occasion). I'm guessing you have an affinity for Schubert?

Regards,
Dan 
My 12" Jelco overhang is meant to be 15mm but it's about 10mm with no discernable negative effect. The 750L comes with a template so not sure why this is even an issue other than the feeling that the bolts should be in center of slots.

When I mounted my Dynavector 501 as per the specified pivot to spindle distance, the cartridge mounted so close to the back of the head shell, it made it difficult to connect the cartridge leads. I made a new arm board, moving the pivot to spindle distance ( I think it was about 5 mm). This allowed easier connection of the leads, and the cartridge overhang set up just as well on my Mint LP Best Tractor set up tool.

It sounds as good, or better than it ever did, so that leads me to believe pivot to spindle distance isn't as critical you may think, as long as overhang can be dialed in correctly. That's just my experience, someone else may have better information, and will set us both straight.

Regards,
Dan
Setting up a pickup arm may be a tricky process, but it's not exactly rocket science. helomech is correct - the goal is not to get the cartridge in the middle of the headshell. There's no reason a Dennesen Soundtracktor can't be used to set the pivot-to-spindle distance for the Jelco.

To really dial in the final alignment, I like a mirrored gauge, such as the Wallytractor.
I'd post this question on Audio Karma or Vinyl Engine, where there are larger DIY communities. I haven't mounted a Jelco, but have thoroughly read up on the process as it applies to Thorens tables. This is the first I've read of any discrepancies with the published length specs. However, when it comes to their effective mass, it's a mystery, no one agrees.

Whether a cartridge sits in the middle of the hesdshell is irrelevant. What is important is that it can align to both null points on a two-point protractor, or in your case, align to the grid with the arm/spindle jig in position. Carts and stylus' come in various lengths, so focusing on the middle of the headshell will only lead you to the mad house.