Jazz for aficionados

Pjw, it has been my experience that the music that wasn't released on time is not as good as the music that was, and my statement has nothing to do with sonics, but some compilations are compressed on CD.

My selling Grant Green and Sonny Clark had nothing to do with sonics. I didn't like it because Grant didn't sound right to me. Maybe he was experimenting, whatever, I didn't like it.

I'm sure that you already have the best of "Jazz Lab"

I'm closer to Grant Green's music, than I am to any other musicians music. There is no better sound than the sound of an old valued friends voice, that's the sound of Grant Green's music to me.

He asked me a question, I answered his question; he told me I was lying, turned and walked away.

Naturally I was deeply hurt, but later, I realized my answer caused him much pain, and whenever he was alone, he cried, because he knew the answer was true.


Pjw, what if, in my story about "The Back Door Man", as you called it; I had told his wife when she asked me if he had any other women, "The only one I knew about was "The nooner".

I was at the "Y", and who should I see in the hot tub but "Oliver Sain". Oliver Sain is a celebrity musician in St. Louis.

I introduced myself and took a seat in the hot tub. There is no better place for relaxing conversation than a "hot tub".


          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Sain


I had been seeing him at small club in the St. Louis, Metro East area since 62 and I believe this was in about 1990, that's quite a few years.

I told him some of the places I had seen him, and he remembered me. That's when he began to talk about his career. The highlight was when he was on a world tour with "Fontella Bass". He was living on "The Bluff" during that time. There is a high bluff in Illinois that gives you a view of the St. Louis skyline, where the rich people live, and that's where Oliver Sain resided for awhile.

Talking to Oliver Sain was like talking to your next door neighbor, the conversation was just that smooth and easy; we reminisced about things that happened at some of the clubs where he was playing. (stuff happened at some clubs in St. Louis, and it was good to have reflexes fast enough to duck a bottle) That was in the R & B clubs, but not in the jazz clubs.  Miles father forbid him to play in the blues clubs.

He told me where he was appearing at the time, and to pay him a visit that evening.


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1pCE440wIM

@pjw81563 
You are very welcome.  The pleasure is all mine.  
Truly makes my day to be able to introduce an appreciative listener to something new!  
A bit of a stretch to call it "jazz" perhaps but definitely jazz influences in it.  

The recording quality of SfJ is excellent as is the musicianship.  The ACT label puts out quality recordings (somewhat like ECM in that regard).

Searching is one of 3 recordings Magnus Ostrom made following the death of Esbjorn Svensson (namesake of e.s.t. trio).  Ostrom was the drummer for e.s.t..  Thread of Life and Parachute are the other two.  Thread of Life is a tougher listen for me.  Parachute is the most recent but playing it last night from Tidal I thought there was a lot of (redundancy?) to the music of Searching.   Recording quality and musicianship on both these others are also excellent, however.  

If you haven't discovered e.s.t. yet you might enjoy exploring their back catalog.  I think you will be rewarded.

Keegiam, I’m tempted to say that it is not possible for a player to be considered underrated after spending so many years being Monk’s tenor of choice. Not of the stature of a Trane or Rollins, but that credential alone would make a player one of the best. However, it is true that he seldom comes up in discussions about great tenor players. It’s almost as if because his very long association with such a giant as Monk overshadowed his work as a leader. So, from that standpoint I would say that, yes, he was underrated since his work as leader is also great and not referenced much.

Rouse was the perfect compliment to Monk and it wasn’t until I became familiar with his work as leader did I appreciate what a feat that was. He was able to compliment Monk’s rhythmically quirky and percussive style. His solo albums make sense of the fact that, by his own admission, Ben Webster, was his main influence.

Not the kind of sound and approach we hear on his recordings with Monk:

https://youtu.be/_I3WXYncRrA

https://youtu.be/x5N0kc1pkUE

https://youtu.be/WYtCQS243Og

Some other albums of C.Rouse, recomended...

https://youtu.be/_I3WXYncRrA

https://youtu.be/r1Qtepa_36k

https://youtu.be/gWgYlG7CxIA

https://youtu.be/Gz4xg77rW70

This one is under the name of drumer Dave Bailey with Rouse 

https://youtu.be/FOpUIJV7KgI

Frogman, thanks for your views on Charlie Rouse.  On "You Don't Know What Love Is," the Ben Webster influence is unmistakable.  Beautiful piece.

Interesting that the album title for the second track you posted is "Unsung Hero."  That sort of sums it up.  Now I see that "underrated" is inaccurate.  It's more like Rouse didn't get appropriate acclaim.  I imagine he did feel like an unsung hero.

Alex, thanks for adding to the Charlie Rouse discussion. Great tracks, thanks.

It strikes me that the sidemen on "Taking Care of Business" weren't up to Rouse's level. And Rouse really lit it up on that Dave Bailey track.

While driving yesterday, listened to my beloved Robert Lockwood Jr.'s "I Got to Find me a Woman." (1997)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC8Tt4iEeHw

Ran into this 1951 recording of "My Daily Wish."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO3GpjbtZ8A

And gotta include "Lockwood's Boogie" from "Steady Rollin' Man."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4BXwVqwhR0&list=OLAK5uy_kBM4x-V6E8XxZD8WsNI9ssbrPrjN3h-1s&i...

This is for Orpheus10. Others may listen too.
What is she saying ? We better ask Frog, he might know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj1X6E7A4Q0&ab_channel=euphrates21

RE Charlie Rouse.

Another fine tenor player I have neglected to buy any albums with him as a leader along with George Coleman.

I have been searching through Coleman's catalog and found quite a few. Even some newer dates up to 2019.

Thanks Alek for the Rouse suggestions.

acman That  Abdullah Ibrahim is not bad at all. I will research him a bit more when I have time.

010 as I stated last week. After much research I found out that the recording of Grant Greens guitar on the album "Nigeria" was screwed up by Van Gelder. This has been cleaned up a lot by certain remasters.

The other 2 albums on the 2 disc compilation, "Oleo" and "Goodens Corner" did not have the distortion and muddled sound exhibited by Grants guitar on the original recording analog masters.

This occurs only on "Nigeria"

I have a stand alone disc of "Oleo" and the sonics are great and Grant sounds terrific to me. It is a European remaster.

Inna, as long as we have been swapping music, I just realized that you're almost "exclusively" into a fairly small musical universe; would you say this is true?

Inna, I can’t take credit for the translation, but here it is:

https://lyricstranslate.com/en/abode-abode.html

Pjw, if I was talking to your best friend, and he sounded a little hoarse, I would think that was the natural way he sounded, and think that he sounded just fine. But you on the other hand would say, "No, he sounded a little hoarse".

Paul and Keegiam, here is the link for dobule cd edition of C.Rouse with 3 and half albums on it. The sonics are quite good. It can be found on Amazon as well

https://www.freshsoundrecords.com/charlie-rouse-albums/5700-charlie-rouse-quartet-quintet-3-1-2-lps-...

We paid our dues is good. A bit too cheerful for my taste but good.

Abode is interesting, where did you find it??

Pjw, if I was talking to your best friend, and he sounded a little hoarse, I would think that was the natural way he sounded, and think that he sounded just fine. But you on the other hand would say, "No, he sounded a little hoarse".

:----))) !

The umbrella on the cover photo looks just like mine.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XHEnWZTNJZE

Since the honorable Mr. Rok has objected to some of the music I've submitted, I decided to give him other options, but so far I have not succeeded in finding anything that would solicit one of his loquacious comments.

Maybe this will get him out of hiding;

Once upon a time, I was a teenager, that's when everyday was an adventure to look forward to, and "Doo Wop" was my music. It was also when the girls were prettier than they've ever been.

Girls or cars, I didn't know which I liked the most. (Right now I would trade my wife for a 56 convertible Chevy with twin glass packs) What she don't know won't hurt her.


Drive-in's, the teen hop, and Summer lawn parties, all serenaded with "Doo Wop". "In The Still of The night"


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1TTbUzT8kA


Time to get out on the dance floor, or maybe I'm cruising "Lake Shore Drive" in the back seat of a 56 convertible Chevy with Jeannie, or maybe I'm at home listening to the radio and dreaming about Jeannie in the still of the night.


"Maybe"....We listened to our song over the phone while our hearts became one; Cookie was going to be my eternal love, we had a telephone love affair. "Get off that phone" that was my mother you heard in the background.


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IePTH1PWzAs


She was 1000 miles away, and I was in  San Antonio Texas


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ZRr3mH20w


When I didn't have Venita, I didn't have anything.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngZh6ZSRoYg

" How very dark the world is ". Indeed.
Frog, thank you, appreciate it.
Orpheus10, I try a wide variety of very different music, yeah, including Mongolian rap and Vietnamese ballads, but what I listen to most often, yes, it is formally quite limited.

O10, funny you posted "Soulful Strut" because it's in a collection of 80+ of my favorite pop hits from my pre-college days I put together before "playlists" became popular.  Just heard it yesterday while driving.  Great tune - simple but very uplifting.

Alex, thanks for the link to the Rouse set.  I'll check it out; I have ZERO recordings by Rouse as a leader, yet I've been listening to him for 50+ years with Monk!

Since the honorable Mr. Rok has objected to some of the music I’ve submitted, I decided to give him other options

Doo Wop is great music. By, and for young lovers. Sad that today’s young don’t have anything comparable.

I try a wide variety of very different music, yeah, including Mongolian rap and Vietnamese ballads,

hmmmmmmmmmmmm. I think it’s time to pull a Miles and leave "Jazz" for Classical. That’s where all my money is going nowadays. Much more relaxing.

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Mary, forgive me, I should've said - this is for Mary.
Found on youtube, of course, but I was familiar with Azam Ali's singing.
She is Iranian, grew up in India and then moved to the US.
Try the album Vas - In the Garden of Souls.

Keegiam, "Soulful Strut" maybe the most special tune in my life, because it brings back memories that I wish I could live over and over; plus, like you said, it's a fantastic tune.

Rok, music is a reflection of the society from which it comes.

Now this is for Frog. Mary will probably like it as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbKsf8vQLVk&list=FLHAEL8Iwz684WaGFx1rQchA&index=98&ab_ch...

One of my very favs... Echoes of an Era, Chaka Khan.
https://mozaart.com/en/r/echoes-of-an-era-chaka-khan

Inna, that's a captivating duet.  Paco's playing is impeccable.  First time I've ever seen him use a capo - I'm sure he did it often, but it's a novelty for me.  I don't have the knowledge base to comment on the singer - certainly passionate and powerful.

O10, I love this one the same way.  Great memories, carefree days...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxXZF60EPdM

Since I've been hanging out here, I don't recall much acknowledgment of Mr. Ron Carter, one of the greats.  Listened a lot tonight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z53ytYBJ5m4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJE38wpNvyw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asJRAGUlZ1c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4n8fL5BYMo

El Camaron de la Isla was a unique and legendary flamenco singer. His best years were with Paco on guitar, but also sometimes with Paco's elder brother on guitar. I have all original Spanish El Camaron/Paco de Lucia records. I listen to them quite often, maybe once every other week.

Noise Alert !
Back to jazz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArH8hVQ1dko&ab_channel=ALEXEY0678

I mentioned "glass packs" and not everyone knows what those are. This video demonstrates "glass packs' which were "James Dean" cool.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kVXLx5SfRc

That guy in the video has super bad taste, you can tell that by the comments section, he liked what sounded like a broken muffler.

However, those 'glass packs' duplicated the sound I was talking about; picture that sound coming from a 56 convertible Chevy;

https://www.google.com/search?q=56+convertible+chevy&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS804US804&oq=56+converti...
       

My poor Vache, you must wait at least +30 years before they start to like you. With jazz is sometimes like with a wine...well, you know how it goes...

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Omg, he talks so many languages...
:--))

First time I’ve ever seen him use a capo - I’m sure he did it often, but it’s a novelty for me.

Yep, not usual position. But that’s clearly because of the singer. It lets Paco to adjust the key he is playing in, in order to match with the voice of the singer better, otherwise he would have to play (meaning learn to play) the piece, transposed in another key.

Capo lowers the action on the guitar (by pressing the strings more near to frett board), sometimes making the playing harder. Anyway, Capo is so dam* practical.

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And thanks inna. It is always nice to listen the master of the guitar.