Jazz for aficionados
Yes, "All my Relations" is a great record. That band was when I started hearing BoBo Stinson for the first time. Crazy only could find this. https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrJ6OItmEVgYXQAeTMsnIlQ;_ylu=c2VjA3NlYXJjaAR2dGlkAw-... |
Frogman, since you mentioned the fact that Jerry was unknown to me because I'm not a fan of big bands, in my effort to be cordial (big mistake) I looked for him on the list that you provided and discovered he was on a record in my collection. So I decided to give it a listen, not a collectors item, but not bad either. Mind you this is all in my effort to be cordial. That gave you an opportunity to tear down a record that you were responsible for being brought up in the first place. Then Rok chimes in. After that Pjw chimes in even worse, he couldn't listen to the record for 30 seconds. So I decided to put up a better record for your and Pjw's evaluation: I'm still waiting for the evaluation of that post. 03-07-2021 8:38pm |
Look what popped up on the fantastic Chico Hamilton tune "Forest Flower": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcIrxBJtUg |
O10 I'm at your service. Chico Hamilton's "Man From Two Worlds" is a very good album and "Forest Flower" is my favorite song on it. A few months ago I picked up a 3 CD set titled "Chico Hamilton and Eric Dolphy the Complete Studio Recordings" and I liked it so much I decided to buy one album from before the Hamilton/Dolphy period of the late 50's which features Buddy Collette on sax and flute and one after the H/D period with Charles Lloyd taking the sax flute chair and the one I bought was "Man From Two Worlds" On all of the material I mentioned above there is great "interplay" between the guitarist and the sax/flute. Buddy Collette/Jim Hall, Charles Lloyd/Gabor Szabo, and Eric Dolphy/John Pisano. Here is the Hamilton/Collette album I have. It is a 24 bit remaster on CD. HAMILTON, CHICO QUINTET - Complete Studio Recordings + Bonus Tracks - Amazon.com Music And a song from it. (3) Chico Hamilton Quintet - Blue Sands - YouTube |
O-10, please take a chill pill. It remains a mystery to me why it is that you find it so necessary to be unnecessarily negative and provocative at times. I offered a perfectly reasonable possible reason for why you may have been unaware of Jerry Dodgion. You later asked for an honest assessment from ALL here of something you posted and I gave it. I didn’t like it. Honest assessment; nothing more, nothing less. You then asked for an assessment from ME specifically about another clip. I liked it; nothing more, nothing less. You then asked for another assessment from ALL here of a different recording; and, NO, you did not ask me or pjw specifically for comment. Yet, somehow you find it to be some sort of personal affront that twelve mostly NIGHTIME (!!!) hours later I have not responded? Are you serious? Are we under obligation to respond according to your time line; or, respond at all? Really?! I will offer a couple of comments in the interest of being “cordial” and will abstain from writing what I might write had I not had my morning coffee yet 🤔: 1. If you want a speedier response from any one of us, try addressing that person, or persons, specifically in your request. 2. If being cordial is really a priority for you and you want to set an example of the sort of protocol that meets your personal lofty standards of forum behavior, try responding/commenting YOURSELF to a clip that was offered in response to yours; AS I DID (Bobby Hutcherson, “Jerry on flute”). IOW, try leading by example. 3. Re my horrible lack of response to your clip: May I remind you that it was I who first posted “Forest Flower” (or, any Charles Lloyd for that matter) here years ago. That should be enough response and indication of how I feel about the recording. Classic recording. (Btw, sometime later you yourself posted “Forrest Flower” claiming it was Buddy Collette on tenor; but that’s a different story). So, let’s try and be a bit more truly “cordial”. Shall we? Peace. |
Thanks! https://youtu.be/Uu9FfXQs4-A https://youtu.be/o4mwdEtx-88 Only lovers of big bands need apply 😉. The classic: https://youtu.be/dLrC-BZiFuA (Sour cherry; my favorite 😋) Hey, speaking of cherries and the parts of the CTI catalogue that I do like: https://youtu.be/dHGrCCYIkck |
This was in 64, she was the love of my life, and "Forest Flower" was our song. We played it every time we went to this dimly lit Bistro where it was on the jukebox. We broke up in 65 and "The Sun Died". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpR8UrMQvnU After that, my new song was; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWXimvRssmQ Softly as in a morning sunrise The light of love comes stealing Into a newborn day Flaming with all the glow of sunrise A burning kiss is sealing A vow that all betray For the passions that thrill love And take you high to heaven Are the passions that kill love And let it fall to hell So ends the story Softly as in a morning sunrise The light that gave you glory Will take it all away Softly as in a morning sunrise The light of love comes stealing Into a newborn day Flaming with all the glow of sunrise A burning kiss is sealing A vow that all betray For the passions that thrill love And take you high to heaven Are the passions that kill love And let it fall to hell So ends the story Softly as in a morning sunrise The light that gave you glory Will take it all away Softly as it fades away Softly as it fades away Softly as it fades away Softly as it fades away |
This is one of the few CTI releases that I really enjoyed back in the day: Freddie Hubbard: "Sky Dive" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn4yTZWN9zw |
O-10, I really would prefer to move on, but I won’t be accused of not being truthful. Can we move on now, please? Peace. ********************************************************************** orpheus10 OP8,380 posts 06-16-2016 4:11pm Frogman, if you are going to correct someone, you had better get your facts straight; especially if that someone is "Orpheus". The "Forest Flower" I presented was the one with "The Chico Hamilton Quintet"; a photograph of the players is on the cover of the album: Chico Hamilton is striding across the cover, and Buddy Collette is kneeling with his horns in front of him, while Jim Hall, has his guitar on his knee; that's just the top row of photographs, the rest of the players are in the second row. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF_Kwdmg1Cg Here it is again, for your pleasure; this time, check the photo's on the album cover. Enjoy the music. Report this frogman6,276 posts 06-16-2016 5:22pm That is incorrect: the recording that plays when you play the YouTube link that you provided is from a different recording than shown by that album cover. This was a mistake by the poster of that link; and you. That album cover is for a recording titled "Spectacular" Featuring Buddy Collette. "Forest Flower" doesn’t even appear on that record. Most importantly, two seconds in and one can tell that it’s not Buddy Collette playing, but Lloyd instead. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chico_Hamilton_Quintet_featuring_Buddy_Collette The recording in that YouTube link that you provided (with the wrong album cover) is from a recording titled "Man From Two Worlds". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_from_Two_Worlds Can we stop now, O-10? ****************************************************** |
Keegiam, good record. That one is also one of my favorite CTI’s as is most of what Hubbard and Stanley Turrentine did for the label. Here’s another CTI that I like. Then again, I love everything that Desmond did. Sweetest ever alto tone. (and speaking of “Sky” 😉): https://youtu.be/gbAbD27ZNKM |
With all the silly arguing over silly stuff we have neglected to post (again 😉) the version of “Forrest Flower” on the tune’s composer Charles Lloyd’s debut recording as a leader. Interesting contrast to the version that O-10 posted which I like very much and that Lloyd recorded about a year or so earlier as a member of Chico Hamilton’s quintet. Btw, also interesting to note that on the Chico Hamilton record all the tunes except one are by Lloyd. Not surprising that a year later he would strike out as leader in his own right. This version is more earnest and his playing showing a more obvious Coltrane influence. https://youtu.be/HK4H6k6PRXQ This other version is the first time I heard the tune. Lloyd’s live recording at Montreaux features a 21 year old Keith Jarrett. Somehow, its more gentle approach to the melody, if not so much the improvisations, seems more evocative of the tune’s title: https://youtu.be/qOGqAvElCAs |
So I went back to the last week of May 2016 through the first week of June 2016 and the bickering back then was even worse then it is now. Actually way worse.. Jazz for aficionados | Audiogon Discussion Forum It seems some things never change but at least it mellowed out a lot...... |
Well O10, in the "ask and ye shall receive" department, it seems you fulfilled Inna's request very well. Fascinating stuff. I'll add a Fela Kuti piece: "Water no get enemy"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQBC5URoF0s |
http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_XBL6m2Xi0 Espen Eriksen Trio - Track 5 from Never Ending January |
Dexter Gordon: "Tanya"Good morning keegiam "Tanya" is not only my favorite Dexter Gordon song its one of my favorite all time jazz songs as well. My "One Flight Up" CD is high up on my top 50 jazz discs in my collection. LTD’s long improvised solo on "Tanya" is simply a thing of beauty. I once listened to it repeatedly with my headphone gear just to hear all the nuances in that solo. I now have over 40 Dexter Gordon albums in my collection since I started acquiring all of his "Steeple Chase" label live sessions from when he lived in Denmark. |
The great late trumpeter Donald Byrd wrote the song "Tanya" and, IMHO. never gets his due accolades as a composer. When he set out to record a funk/jazz session in 1971 he penned two of the funkiest songs of all time titled "The Emperor" and "The Little Rasti" Heck I always listen to his "Ethiopian Knights" album when I'm in a funky mood. (1) Donald Byrd - The Emperor - YouTube (1) Donald Byrd - The Little Rasti - YouTube When Byrd started writing and playing funk/soul and using electronics he never abandoned his deep seated jazz roots. They are always present in everything he put out from the late 60's and onward. A brilliant composer. The 4 albums that "Ethiopian Knights" is sandwiched in between, "Fancy Free, Electric Byrd, and Kofi (1969 - 70) and "Black Byrd" (1972) are solid proof of this. (1) Donald Byrd ~ Fancy Free - YouTube (1) Donald Byrd - Estavanico - YouTube (1) Donald Byrd "Kofi" Full Album - YouTube (1) Donald Byrd - Black Byrd - YouTube Some would think after listening to "Ethiopian Knights" and the 4 albums above that it cannot the same Byrd who composed and recorded "Byrds Word" (1955), "The Cat Walk" (1961), and "Mustang" (1966) but he was just following the progression of jazz much like the younger Herbie Hancock would do. (1) Donald Byrd - LONG GREEN - YouTube (From "Byrds Word") (1) Donald Byrd - The Cat Walk - YouTube (1) Mustang! - Donald Byrd Sextet - YouTube |
Good posts and commentary, pjw. Couldn’t agree more on Byrd as a composer. We tend to focus on a musician’s identity as players while ignoring his voice as composer. With the great ones the playing is simply an extension of their identity as composer. After all, what is improvisation if not a spontaneous composition? Byrd with Hancock, another great composer, with Pepper for the icing on the cake): https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyHn3f7-9IUJb58LFacKEZmBuExrmaQ9S https://youtu.be/xNk3qtzNM_s +1 Dexter Gordon’s “Tanya”. |
Yesterday, the birthday of one of the great tenor players and a personal favorite was overlooked. George Coleman has a very distinctive voice and is one of the most lyrical of tenor players. Very modern tone, but with few if any “Coltranisms”; something that was practically impossible to avoid by most post-60’s tenor players. https://youtu.be/eKwcWzyokE8 https://youtu.be/_nQILr_IA-Yi https://youtu.be/yWmvRexpPzI With Miles and a favorite version of “Stella”: https://youtu.be/IZx4pnEKOHc With Herbie and one of my favorite tenor solos on record. Classic!: https://youtu.be/hwmRQ0PBtXU |
Inna, we're in harmony, I thought the first one was quite different as well. I have very old recordings of didgeridoo that were made out in the "bush" by an anthropological society. They are complete with the sounds of insects in the background. These recordings were of the first Australians tuning up for a "Carroboree"; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corroboree |
Inna, this is a CD that I've had for some time that I think you will find quite interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfHV-KhjaJ0&list=PL8F804DE6DFE5205C https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtjuxoYnlaw&list=PL8F804DE6DFE5205C&index=3 |
Inna, here's another CD; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzbSz_i5t7I&list=PLinzJA0pkmAsCH7HGqd1EaHaKqMBh8W39 |
Anyone who has heard Dexter live understands why all he had to do was “be himself” in an acting role. One of the great characters in Jazz, he had a strikingly affable way of communicating with the audience. His overall demeanor was loose, very pleasant and full of humor. Well, sometimes a little too loose, but that is a different (and sad) story. He liked to recite part of the lyrics of a song before playing it and was probably the king of musical “quotes” in a solo. Wonderful and very important player. Some interesting reading: https://www.dextergordon.org/blog/2016/1/25/dexter-gordon-and-the-academy-award-nomination The “baroness of Jazz”, Pannonica de Koenigswarter deservedly receives a great deal of attention as one of the most important patrons of the music. However, she wasn’t the music’s only important female patron. Maxine Gordon, Dexter’s wife also deserves recognition: https://www.maxinegordon.com/bio Speaking of “loose”: https://youtu.be/7Msqw94XfKk Unusual for Dexter, only one (!) “quote” in this solo; and a very short one at that. Hint: it happens before 3:00. Any takers? 😊 |
Rok, you got me on that one. I have never heard the term “conductor intervention” used in a musical context. I have read the term used in reference to group therapy; the conductor being the “controller” of thee session. (Hey, group therapy! Might not be a bad thing around here sometimes 😱) Anyway, what was the musical context that the term was used in that prompted your question? Might help. Not a commonly used term in music, but one could extrapolate. Conductors “intervene” all the time; that’s their gig, essentially. They intervene when they don’t like what a player, or ensemble as a whole, is doing. |
Interesting. A conductor can definitely “intervene” in the midst of playing. A smart conductor doesn’t hold the players and the general musical vibe that the orchestra sets up by the balls at all times. It has to be a relationship (not unlike the role of the leader in Jazz) and a good conductor respects that. I’ve seen good conductors literally put their arms down at certain points in the piece and let the orchestra play and only conduct necessary cues to signal entrances and changes in meter or tempo in the music. It would be fair to say that after letting the orchestra take the lead (to an extent), if the conductor doesn’t like where things are going he would then “intervene”. Dexter: Classic Dexter humor: 2:06 “Pop Goes the Weasel”; just the first few notes of the tune. |
I’ve seen good conductors literally put their arms down at certain points in the piece and let the orchestra play and only conduct necessary cues to signal entrances and changes in meter or tempo in the music. Barenboim did this at the 2012 Proms, where he conducted the complete Beethoven Cycle. Cheers |
