Jazz for aficionados
Since I'm on Trombones, how about J. J. Johnson. Although you don't get the best music, these "You tubes" are almost as good as going to a live set because you get the best seat in the house. I'll leave it to you guys to submit the best music by J. J. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKAd2sogy9w Enjoy the music. |
O-10: Nice tune and playing on the Johnson clip. Never did get into trombone as a lead instrument. They always sounded muffled to my ear. That is, except when playing music from Nawlins, or in big bands. Not the best choice for Bop. I have 4 CDs by Johnson. I like them more for the personnel playing with him, than I do for his playing.None I have are worthy of submission. The one you send was great. Maybe because of the Fox on piano!! Cheers |
O-10, all that you posted re Urbie Green is true. He is a great player and one who could play in any setting. Not really a stylistic innovator, but definitely one who pushed the envelope as far as what what possible to do on the trombone; an instrument that puts certain technical limitations on the player due to the absence of keys or valves. JJ Johnson, on the other hand, was definitely a stylistic innovator who pushed trombone playing's harmonic reach into the realm of trumpet and saxophone players with a more modern rhythmic style and grasp of harmonic language. This is apparent in this clip which also features the mentioned Al Grey; another great player, but one for whom the technical limitations of the instrument are still obvious. As great as his playing was, in Grey's improvisations one can hear much more of a swing (as opposed to bebop) approach to improvisation and a reliance on "effects" such as glissandos (slides) and the use of a mute which are all throwbacks to his Count Basie days and, reaching further back, the role of the trombone in early jazz or Dixieland. This is certainly not a criticism as his playing was certainly very exciting, but it is obvious that he "generalizes" the chord changes of the tune while JJ makes each chord change obvious and musically logical. The rhythmic feel of each is also worth noting with Grey playing with an upbeat closer to the downbeat which gives the playing a jauntier and, arguably, less relaxed feeling; all throwbacks to a less modern style. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xuDtYLSlwgM One of my favorites has always been Slide Hampton. A modern player with an advanced harmonic language but whose tone always says "trombone!", being robust without sounding like a lower pitched trumpet. https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLxpFcEqKLShkNXTwVII-KCS10cZ4PuaP3&v=VxF_6MKiuTA Here he is with another great; Bill Watrous (first solo) who took the trombone's technical reach even further. Not long ago it was unthinkable that a trombone player might be able to play with that kind of technical facility and speed which obviously lends itself well to bebop, but requires the player to play more lightly; arguably making the instrument lose some of its characteristic growl. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hDj3k6k8mRw |
Frogman, I can certainly see why "Slide" is one of your favorite trombone players; like you say, he's got the "tromboniest" sounding trombone. Without a doubt, he will be added to the collection. That's probably how he got the nickname "Slide". There are times when I wasn't sure whether or not I was listening to a trumpet or trombone, now I know why; Bill Watrous's trombone sounds somewhat like a trumpet, that does require a lot of speed, both of these guys will be added. Bennie Green is probably my favorite trombone player, that's because "Soul Stirrin" is one of my favorite tunes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aeVlQtsaFE Can you identify who's blowing that first sax solo. Although I've got the LP, there are two tenors; Billy Root, and Gene Ammons, that's why I can't tell who's blowing the first solo. While I'm certainly familiar with "Jug", this might be the only album I've got "Billy Root" on. Can you shed some light on this? Enjoy the music. |
I'm falling in love with these trombones all over again; here's one by the "Jazz Crusaders" featuring Wayne Henderson on trombone, it's titled "Young Rabbits". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA7f9HIXox4 Enjoy the music. |
Very nice clip! I love the sound of tenor and trombone fronting the band. First solo is definitely "Jug" (Gene Ammons). He's got that big robust sound and that distinctive slightly nasal quality (in a good sense) in the upper register of the horn. I am not very familiar with Billy Root's playing. Players sometimes like to "quote" other tunes in their solos. This cracked me up: at 1:05 Jug quotes, of all things, "The Flight Of The Bumblebee". Gotta love it. |
Typo alert!!! It is at 3:05 that Jug quotes "Flight Of The Bumblebee", not 1:05. Sorry. O-10, The Crusaders was going to be my next mention. They came to mind when I mentioned the trombone/tenor front line on the Bennie Green clip. I was very into that group back in college; a time when jazz was being bastardized by some and by the influence of rock and electric music. They were always able to incorporate the "new " sound and not stray too far from the spirit of jazz. I love their sound, and boy does it bring back memories! |
After experiencing so much failure in regard to new music and new people, I'm resigned to the past; thanks to "you tube", that's been quite pleasurable. When I go back in time, I also discover very pleasant, long ago forgotten memories; consequently, it's a win win. Your analysis from a musicians perspective also adds something brand new to old music. There are so many fantastic cuts from "The Crusaders" in this era, I don't know where to stop; they even make "Eleanor Rigsby" brand new. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Jb72PZAls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G5YxVx__rU Enjoy the music. |
O-10, I understand your stance. I think it all comes down to vocabulary. You want to hear the jazz language you love, but it constantly is changing. If you miss or ignore a generation the language gets further and further away from what you want to hear. The influence of NEW music has its effect on young musicians who are not living in the vacuum we created for ourselves. Then all of a sudden the language on even standards, we are very familiar with, sound foreign. I do give you much props for not saying new musicians suck, but understanding you just like the old language. |
Acman3: I never added the markup thing before. I just copied and pasted, and once I sent the youtube, the address appeared as a clickable link. appeared as " www.youtube " I don't know why it stopped. I think it has to do with the link itself. When I send the 'Gaithers' links it works just fine. Thanks |
Rok, you got it, Bobby McFerrin clicked on real nicely, he's all over the place; as a matter of fact he just popped up on my play list from the "Round Midnight" soundtrack. That's a real nice piece by Freddy Hubbard, and Kenny Garret shines on flute, he's gotten very creative lately. Mark Templeton is new to me, is he still active? Who's the bass player? Now that you got those mark up tags straightened out, I'll be looking for more good music like this. Enjoy the music. |
Ackman, when an under endowed gentleman went to a house of ill repute in "Nawlins", he was asked "Who you gonna please with that little thang?", and he responded with great gusto "Me!", and so it is with music. As I see it, the biggest problem with current music of almost all genres are the similarities in each genre; it's too much alike; meaning the last current jazz record sounds like the one before, and that goes for rock as well; I can hardly tell one rock record from another, and I won't even mention "Rap". Enjoy the music. |
O-10: Horace Silver -- JAZZ HAS A SENSE OF HUMOR Got this one at the same time as the Nelson CD. One of his last. Entirely different sidemen, but you know it's Silver. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEIom6UZI6s Cheers |
*****when an under endowed gentleman went to a house of ill repute in "Nawlins", he was asked "Who you gonna please with that little thang?", and he responded with great gusto "Me!"***** You just can't tell anyone, ANYTHING in confidence any more!!!! At least you didn't use my name. I can be thankful for that! Cheers |
I can only hope that Sister Dee Dee is received by this thread, with more approval than the Sisters Bey. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gSpatsBDdk Cheers |
I remember where I was the first time I heard this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv0fnSBf0Do cheers |
I am so happy that my assumption that I had everything worth having by Oliver Nelson and Horace Silver was wrong. Ackman, here's some new music that appeals to me; Jesse Cook, cooks on several different continents at the same time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWjgyFvZ2OA Enjoy the music. |
Ackman, all of these people are new to me, but I like them all; no, I don't have a problem with new music or new people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EumHcn1rJZM Enjoy the music. |
Acman, your last post seemed to imply we had some differences in regard to music. That caused me to go through your musical submissions and find where we differed. After I went through them, the only thing I could find is the fact that I don't like a lot of short clipped phrases, although Miles seemed to like them. If we differ, could you submit a musical example? Enjoy the music. |
I was in a vocal mood today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk9yYmXuT5Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKRuZ0J6-CY This one is for the OP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_LE3NJYHm8 All aficionados can Identify with this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dheVr7Wdrro Cheers |
Apologies O-10, if I misinterpreted your 8/2 post. Sometimes the Internet is hard to get, at least for me. Your latter post regarding a certain sameness to new music, got me to thinking. In some ways I agree and others I disagree. I will try to sort out my thoughts and respond in the next few days. It would be much easier to discuss over a beer, but I will try. |
