Rok, I'm going through my most "exquisite" records and posting them. This was only on record not long ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx1GYIRq1XcWhen I say exquisite, I'm also including recording quality. I hope this is on CD. Trying to find some of my records on CD is a real job because when you inquire they tell you about every thing they got on CD by that artist, instead of saying "I ain't got it". Carmen McRae recorded for a long time, and I only want the best. Just like Miriam Makeba, the most popular isn't always the best; but that's why I'm an "aficionado", I can separate the best from the rest. I was listening to records on reel, and noticed they were kind of bland; that's when I realized I had recorded those records before I got a much better cartridge; now I'm going to re-record those exact same records again. It ain't easy being an "Audiophile", but the computer makes it a lot easier because I put those records on the play list with the new cartridge, now I'll make a play list of those records and relax while I watch the red recording light. I'll list those records, and you can check and see if they're on CD. Enjoy the music. |
One thing for certain, there's a different twist on records from across the waters. These cuts are "laid back"; I like laid back, and relaxed, no body is trying to "show boat"; they're just digging into the music.
Records from Japan are just the opposite; I'm talking about the same artists. They know that in Japan, they like "showboating". When in Japan you got to give the Japanese what they like, etc.
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OK Rok, here's the list, you have the first one: "Moanin", next, Carmen McRae, I just have cuts listed, could be off of different records. "The Shadow of Your Smile", "And I Love Him", plus "Yesterdays"
Chico Freeman, "Kings Of Mali", Chico Hamilton "Headhunters" Chico Hamilton "Peregrinations"; those are complete LP's
Last is Roland Kirk, "Theme For The Eulipions" that's what I have listed, it's just a cut off an LP, if it's on CD, I'm sure you have it.
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Carmen McRae: Nice clip. Although she is very good, she was never one of my favorites. Guess I was ruined by Ella and Billie. Her tunes too New Yorkish?? I have her singing Monk. I give her credit for having the nerve to try that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHyEZ4lQygwI was listening to Betty Carter yesterday. I'm finding it very hard to really get into her music. Maybe it'll get better with time. Thank God we still have Dee Dee. Cheers |
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Rok, you do that all the time; you hear one or two bad albums by an artist, and you say she or he is not my favorite; like those one or two bad albums determine that artists life work.
She made that album when she was over the hill and on her way out, but you judge her by that album. I either took that CD back or sold it. As of this moment, your aficionado badge has been pulled.
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Alex, I wouldn't jump to get any unissued records by anybody; it's almost always something I could quite easily live without.
How many albums have you heard by Betty Carter? Why don't you see what Dee Dee has to say about Betty Carter? Do You get my drift?
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Sorry Alex, the bottom of that last post was meant for Rok.
What did you think of that offer?
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How many albums have you heard by Betty Carter? Why don't you see what Dee Dee has to say about Betty Carter? Do You get my drift?*****
I own 7 CDs by Betty Carter. Four with her solo, one with Ray Charles, One with Carmen McRae and one with Ray Bryant. The one with Ray Charles was very good.
Unless you think I should buy anything she has made in order to come to a conclusion.
I know what Dee Dee said about her. I have not read anything, but I have never known one artist to be critical of another, save Wynton saying, that the s**t Miles was playing was not Jazz, and that he dressed and looked like a buffoon.
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Although I'm a Carmen McRae fan, I don't like everything by her. I always pick out the best leave the rest, and then I record the best, she is on the reel, and sounds ever so good.
I think you have to be in the mood for Betty Carter, and I admit I haven't been in that mood too much lately either.
I've got a "computer geek" who made my play list sound as good as a reel to reel, and that's pretty good. Sometime ago, Stereophile wrote about computers every month; what cards to buy etc, and I followed it religiously, now the playlist is so good, I don't really need a reel to reel.
I had the impression that you were quick to judge, but you've got more albums by Betty Carter than I have. I'm not sure that I've got any CD's by Carmen, that lets you know that I was buying her a lot sometime ago.
The key to getting the most out of your collection is to organize your play list so that you have a smile on your face the whole time your listening, and to make sure that it sounds as good as reel to reel.
Actually I meant play lists (plural) one for what ever mood you're in that day.
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McCoy Tyner:
I don't think it's been posted before. Have never heard it before. This guy has produced so much great stuff, it's hard to have it all. One of my favorite players. This one goes in my cart tonight.
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Have you noticed how many 'alternate takes' there are on the Wardell Gray CDs. One has 9 tracks, but only three different tunes. Sucks.
I just replaced the books and classical CDs in my Amazon cart, with Stuff by Tyner. Wish I could listen to my LPs. :(
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Rok, I was just looking through my LP's and ran across that. I haven't heard it in so long that I was as impressed as you. It's not on the computer, my analog rig is down; so that means I'll have to do the same thing as you, meaning buy the CD.
No way I would buy that Wardell Gray CD. When stuff like that doesn't sell, they straighten up and fly right.
I like slow ballads by Wardell, let me know if you run across any; he was like Lester Young, but different.
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Rok, I looked at that CD, it's the one with the ballads like "Easy Livin", but I could live without 3 takes on it. We passed on Wardell once before because of recording quality, and I believe they cleaned that up; maybe they're going to get better in stages; we'll wait and see. In the meantime we'll be discovering a lot of other good stuff.
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Charlie Parker:
Unissued / unheard Bird, is for Bird Fanatics or historians only. Not only are there the dreaded 'alternate takes', we also have 'false starts' and 'incomplete' tracks. Track #26 is a false start and incomplete. WTF!
Interesting article, but read the track listing on Amazon before buying.
I smell a money grab!!
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I'll second that motion on "Bird", and I'm a "Bird" fan from way back. Since I found a record that scored a home run by looking through the vinyl, I decided to do the same thing today, and I found a very interesting record; double down on the "interesting". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUeATOK2Lw4Enjoy the music. |
Bryan Ferry:
Very, very good. Made my morning. Watched it three times.
The music was just so-so.
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Rok, I tried it without the music, and it wasn't too bad. Some things never change.
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This is not a music school, this is not a musical appreciation class; this is a musical listening room for "Jazz Aficionados", and the most important requirement is to;
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Who could ever forget "Mission Impossible" and Peter Gunn. I have "Paris Texas"; that's the loneliest, most desolate sounding music I ever heard. Is the town anything like the music? I've got that on a 2 CD album by the Cooder man. Lalo Schifrin did so many sound tracks we could be here all night going through them; and there was not one that I didn't like. Here's "Thriller Jazz" featuring Lalo, Quincy Jones and Jimmy Smith; you know it's got to be killer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eoqfVYwVf8Enjoy the music. |
Jafant, I've got the soundtracks to all those movies on records; Tuco is my man.
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Today's Listen: Duke Ellington / Mahalia Jackson -- BLACK, BROWN AND BEIGE Part lV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0PlS8nuceAFrom the Notes: Duke called her frequently to persuade her to sing for the first time with a Jazz orchestra. His message was usually, "don't worry about it," Mahalia's usual reply was "all right, Duke, if you say so." Brought a smile to my face. Cheers |
Does the great movie makes the soundtrack sound good or is it a coincidence that masters were together on work? Some themes, from movies that are worth mentioning... Anton Karas, from 'Third Man'... https://youtu.be/r8jN1treRKQMikis Theodorakis from 'Zorba the Greek' https://youtu.be/n_BHJNAJk8QHe also made music for 'Serpico' with Pacino, but that score did not stick... Dimitri Tiomkin, from 'High Noon', sung by Frankie Lane https://youtu.be/EOg4x_rMqfYCould list lots more themes with Frankie Lane... One more 'recent', from 1971. Great movie, by the way. Roy Budd, from 'Get Carter' https://youtu.be/jhisIT_CuQ8John Carpenter made music for movies he directed. I like them. Could we find here elements for discussion, 'old' or 'real' music vs 'new' ? 'Assault on Precinct 13'... https://youtu.be/PoplzqcUa8QWalter Hill's classic, The Warriors', music made by Barry De Vorzon Must admit that I am not familiar with any other themes that he may done, but this one is great. Movie too, of course https://youtu.be/9p7EE1F80fU |
Alex, fantastic post and great examples! Your question is a very interesting one. The role of the film score is necessarily subservient to the film; so, from that standpoint, I think it can be said that the score makes the film look good more often than the film makes the music sound good. However, that is in the context of the overall final product. The role of the score is to follow what is referred to as the "emotional arc" of the film and while it could be said that this puts a restriction on the composer of the music, it also offers an opportunity and is a test of the conposer’s craft and ability to create something great within those restrictions. The ultimate test of a film score’s merit is usually (not always) whether it can stand on its own without the film.
Coincidence? Unlikely. A film composer is carefully chosen by a producer and/or director based on their perception of that composer’s ability to write music in a style that will be appropriate for that film’s emotional arc. The film composer usually begins the process of composing the score well after the film’s creative process has begun and will often modify the score to fit the film; as far as emotional content or simple timing within a particular scene (cues). The composer himself will often conduct the score while viewing scenes that have already been filmed and makes tempo adjustments to fit the scene. Often, the music must be performed to very strict timing requirements and is conducted and performed to a "click track"; a series of clicks that gives the composer and musicians a tempo that must be adhered to so that the music is in sync with the action. In rare exceptions the director will alter the "action" to fit the music. Needless to say, this is an indication that there is something very special in that music.
Speaking of coincidences, I am once again on a 14 hour flight, this time back from China where I took part in a concert/screening by the NY Philharmonic of the classic silent film "City Lights" by the great Charlie Chaplin. A little known fact is that Chaplin was a fantastic composer among many other talents; a true genius. This was a silent film with music scored filmed a few years after the advent of "talkies" as it was Chaplin’s preferred medium. As is more and more common these days a classic film is presented to an audience with a live orchestra performing the score. In this case, the fact that it is a silent film highlights the importance of the role of the score. Beautiful music which was orchestrated by the great Alfred Newman. So many great film scores. Some favorites (sorry for no links, can’t access YouTube):
"Ivan The Terrible", Sergei Prokofiev
"The Pawnbroker", Quincy Jones
"The Godfather", Nino Rota
"Anatomy Of A Murder", Duke Ellington
"The Red Pony", Aaron Copland
"On The Waterfront", Leonard Bernstein
"The Pawn Broker", Quincy Jones
"Ben Hur", Miklos Rozsa
"Vertigo", Bernard Hermann
"The Bridge On The River Kuai", Malcolm Arnold
"North By Northwest", Bernard Hermann
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Alex, I have no idea how that relationship works, but the "Third Man" has been one of my favorite soundtracks since I saw the movie when I was a child. As a matter of fact, I was too young to follow or understand the movie, but I always remembered the music. Now it is my favorite movie.
"High Noon" is the most unforgettable movie and theme. "Zorba The Greek" is another theme that sticks in the mind.
I saw "The Warriors" more than once but hadn't thought about the music. I guess the music is so well interwoven with the movie, that I never even thought about the music, but now I'll listen to the music separately.
As Frogman stated, that was a fantastic post.
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Frogman, I'll find the links to all the movies you listed, and give them a listen, including "Chico Hamilton".
Jafant, one of my favorites by Chico is "The Head Hunters", but unfortunately it's not on CD.
Chico Hamilton - drums
Steve Potts - alto saxophone
Russ Andrews - tenor saxophone
Robert Ashton - baritone saxophone
Ray Nance - violin
Eric Gale - guitar
Jan Arnet - bass
Ray Nance who is not as well known on violin as he is on trumpet, smokes the violin on this outing.
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Frogman, all great movies, have not seen Red Pony. Regarding music, interesting, but could not whistle(remeber) any but 'Bridge on river Kwai' and of course 'Godfather'. Since this is a jazz forum, here is another album with adaptations of music from a movie 'Some like it hot' by Barney Kessel, from 1959. Great line up, fine music, regardless of a film, few songs... https://youtu.be/5Cn0m2ItBnshttps://youtu.be/yK09EKQDlWo |
Although I've mentioned this before, I don't believe I communicated how extreme the relationship between movie and music was. I heard this music in 1960, but did not see the movie until say 2010; to make the math easy, it is a difference of 50 years. When I heard the music, I didn't think too much of it, but now I realize how devastating it is. Fortunately, I can provide a link of the movie with the music, and you can decide, and see how intrinsically they are wound together. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc4tT-55ZzI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icJw9HXXoXAEnjoy the music. |
Good performances and great movie, Alex (the movie is about a saxophone player, after all 😎), but I don't think those two tunes qualify as adaptations of "music from a movie". Both tunes were written over thirty years before they appeared in the soundtrack to "Some Like It Hot". They were not written for the movie. While I can't think of examples, I would wager that the tunes also appeared in movies done before SLIH (1959). |
Many Thanks! O-10
yes there are several small, desolate towns in Texas.
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Quick hit & run here (intermission for popcorn, maybe)...
Talking funk...well, not recently but regardless, check out:
The New Mastersounds "Made for Pleasure" (2016).
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