Integrated all in one for a second system


Hello.  Looking for suggestions for an Integrated amp that incorporates streaming / DAC into one unit.  I am moving my primary 2-channel system into a more dedicated room with a home remodel.  I still want to listen to good music in the current room.  It is a huge room that includes the family room, kitchen, and living room into one big space.  

Looking to pair it with Focal Diablo Utopia speakers and can use a B&W DB1-D to help with the low end.  I do need a home theater pass through as it will be running with a Marantz CInema 30 to use for multichannel for our TV.  These components will be in a vented closet, so looking for something reasonably sized and not running excessively hot.  Interested in something less than 7000-8000 and fine with the used market.

Any advice is appreciated.

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Lots of choices out there.  Hegel seems to pair well with Focal.  I would look there first.  You can stream Tidal/Qobuz/Spotify directly.  Not sure about the HT bypass. Good luck and have fun. 

obviously naim who focal owns is a logical choice

 

We are naim focal dealers and we have diablo utopias on display have sold Hegel as well, hegel isn't warm so you may find the sound too sterile. 

the best sound for the money  we  would recommend a naim 250dr power amplifier which can be stacked with a NAC272 preamp dac streamer or if the budget allows the new NSC 222 dac preamp streamer

so you would have essentially separates which take up the same space as an integrated

and you can add an additional naim power supply for even greater performance 

Dave and Troy

Audio intellect NJ

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Thank you all. Yes. Already have the sub. And will definitely look at these. Much appreciated. 

Most Focals are on the cool side so I might not want to go with Hegel because they are on the more neutral side. For focals, I would go with a warmer amp from the likes of McIntosh or Classe. In my 3rd system, I have the all in 1 auralic Polaris with some nice revel floorstanding speakers. I would suggest this Polaris all in 1 over the naim but it might not help the focals. 

For reference, I heard the speaker that naim and focal built together, the divas, and they sounded terrible, less technology than other much cheaper and better sounding speakers, and the divas were $40k

I'd have a look at Linn DSMs. The combination with focal may not be very warm.

I have a Hegel H390. You can use it as a streamer only for Spotify. For Tidal you need to either have a wired connection or have another streamer. The DAC is exceptional for an H390.

Another one that I have owned in the past and regret selling off is the Naim Uniti Atom- much less than your budget- though it sounds exceptional. The low power rating doesn't fully tell one what this amp can do.

 

I would second the current Hegel integrateds.  Just to note, they are also a Roon Ready endpoint, which will get you Tidal and Qobuz.  

I'm probably going to go that way myself on the bedroom system and downsize the stack of equipment in there.

I’d look at an Accuphase integrated, and a separate dac/streamer, which wouldn’t cost much and can be tiny (if that matters), and prob still outperform most internal streamer/dacs.  Thst way you get the warmer, legendary sound of the Accuphase.  

The Axxess Forté 1 or Forté 2 are excellent choices for this. The DAC in these units easily competes with <$2K stand-alone DACs. 

Just get a cheap AVR like a Denon DRA-900. Will sound just as good as anything else and has everything you need.

Have you looked into Lyngdorf’s  integrateds?  I really like my Lyngdorf 3400.  All three models run cool.  MSRP for the 3400 is around 8K fully loaded.  Finding a 3400 used can be challenging and the price is usually well above 50% msrp if in great condition.  The 1120 MSRP is around $2.6K, I think and finding a nice used one is easier.  Power for each is 200/400 and 60/120, respectively.  The Lyngdorf app is killer—especially for integrating subs using any XO point you wish, topology and slope you wish.  For example, after trying many options, I currently cut my sub off at 50 hz using a 8th order (48db/octave) slope.

According to some youtube reviews, the 3400 is more than just an 1120 with more power, so look into the differences, maybe.  If interested, see Stjernholm reviews on YT.  Great videos.

The third model is out of production but easy to find over the last year or so.  The 2170 is 85/170wpc.   This model doesn’t have the app like the 1120 and 3400.  . 

Good luck….

Definitely need to look at the T+A line.  I had a similar setup to yours, and needed extensive connectivity.  I wanted to use a high-quality integrated both as a stereo system for "critical" listening to my sub-enhanced Harbeths, but also as the FL/FR/LFE driver for a 5.1 home-theater.  The R 2500 R, the company’s current $19K flagship integrated had every feature needed for both those applications and, as icing, is sonically impressive in every way.  Even the headphone amp and phonostage punch way above for a sub-$20,000 integrated.

I realize that this is out of your price range, but T+A makes a # of less-expensive integrateds that offer similar connectivty and not-unsimilar SQ.  T+A is only beginning to be known here, but is a huge name in the Eastern Hemisphere, especially for its unique  DAC/streamers, amps, and preamps.  I think that these boxes would fit your requirements as well as anything, with Hegels and Ayres running a close second.  As you might guess, I spent months comparing $5-10K integrateds in great detail, before finally being so wowed by the R 2500 R that I wound up springing for a box that cost twice what I’d originally intended to spend.

Re: dealers, I worked with Juan at Bliss HiFi in MN (not to be confused with other "Bliss" dealerships across the US).  The guy is very knowledgable about T+A, being one of the company’s first US retailers, and is a nice guy to boot, always willing to answer questions at length.

 

Thank you all!!!  This has been so helpful. Looking at several of these now. Cheers!  Much appreciated!

 

There is the Primare I35 Prisma DM36, a modular integrated amplifier and network player. It is some sort of class D amp so it should not run hot. I had a Primare preamp for a bit and it was nice. New, it is about USD 5500.