I play seldom loud for a long time. The Olive 06HD is giving a lot of weight in the low freq. When you use Purist Audio powercabels this part is getting even more powerful and controlled. The same thing about the Audioquest Wild Blue Yonder. I play most of the time at low volume levels. Because you do not need to play loud to get a stunning level in low freq. I Always played with big systems without a subwoofer. To be honest for stereo I did find it too slow and not fast enough. Now I own the PLW 15 with Audyssey pro I love it for stereo use. I prefer it it over a big speaker without a subwoofer. A few years ago I never thought this could be possible. Time and technique goes on. New techniques give me to change to create a much higher level in sound quality for lower prices than in the past. |
Only cause of Audyssey Pro I can play this loud. Because without it you would get too much acoustic problems. This gives me the change to let people hear Bluray at very loud volumes without any stress. |
I hear you Bo, but although it might be "relaxed" and not sound harsh at high SPL's I guarantee you that your ears can't take those levels for sustained periods without serious risk of damage. There are, I'm sure, more than a few on this site suffering from tinnitus. I don't know your age but I would seriously recommend you not continue this practice if you value your hearing which I'm sure you do if you love music. You ever hear ringing when there is nothing but the sound of silence? |
My ears are very sensitive, I can feel when it is too much. That is why I Always have my earplugs with me during concerts. I need my ears for my work. Thanks for your concern! |
Yea, hearing is a limited resource that should be preserved.
most sources say that continuous exposure to volumes higher than even just mid 80s Db damages ears ability to hear....so always listen loudly with caution.... |
You're right Bo, your ears ARE sensitive. When you can feel it's too much, you've passed the threshold, the SPL's you indicate are well beyond, that is the point of my post. I too have been to concerts on a very regular basis, particularly many years back where the threshold could just be unbearable. Very early on, I got to the point where I would bring cotton balls and plug them in my ears when the volumes got to that point. I remember quite well having my hands on my ears at my first rock concert throughout the concert it was so loud as we were close to the speakers. My hearing has ALWAYS been sensitive, since childhood. Could never stand loud noises and could seemingly hear things others couldn't. Fortunately those instincts and that first rock concert experience carried forward but others, I have discovered, are less fortunate and I really feel for what they go through. I consider hearing to be the most important sense we are blessed with. |
I sleep also with earplugs. Even with earplugs in my deapest sleep I will get awake in a few seconds when our Weimaraner Beau starts to bark. He is at a long distance from me. I am blessed witha photographic memory in sound. When I hear a system in a few seconds I can write on paper where alkl the instruments and voices are standing. I also remember it with ease. So when a speaker, amp, cable or source will be changed I can compare it with eachother. I knoe exactly what the difference is. This is a big advantage for this work. For Audyssey Pro measurements I gave me the information when you can measure the most dynamics. And at which places you get the best results. That is why I measure at a totally different way compared to Audyssey. We have now contsact with them again. I want to invite them to let them hear that my way of measurement is superior to there way. And no I will never tell them how I do it. Just comparing, most fun part in audio. |
Weimaraner Beau? TMI. Also, how are we mere mortals to listen to anything on the same level as a person with "photographic memory of sound?" Although photos are silent, I get it. Luckily, I was blessed with photographic detection of bullshit. Or is it cursed? |
Ah come on Wolf, he's really harmless and can't you at least detect his passion? But I've got to admit the part about the earplugs when sleeping and hearing the dog barking had me LOL, Bo come on now, really? On the other hand there's plenty of BS around here that is much less sincere than Bo's and besides, it's obvious English isn't his first language, benefit of the doubt.....maybe just a little bit? Bo's posts make this site worth coming back to, real entertainment! |
Tubrgroover,
We all have different tolerance thresholds. As like you, Bo doesn't bother me, there are others who posts and attitudes I find toxic and belittling. Bo is redundant but he's not mean spirited |
I refuse to stop picking on BO because it's too much fun, and he doesn't understand my posts anyway. |
Wolfy is still a F.... I, I guess he won't change. I will show it soon that my words are as I write them. It is Always about the truth for me in audio. I will show it also to the F...I...him self. For the truth I never stop!! |
The truth! Finally! Lots of people looking for that. Bring it on..... :^) |
Hearing is believing. I prefer shows, place to compare. I do only shows when I have the freedom to use what I want. Same as the stuff I sell. In the past I worked in audio speciality stores. I was comparing night and day. Always looking for the best. Then many products you know which are inferior. When you are a perfectionist you hate these products are some time. Because you are aware of the fact that people get less for there money. These times I only do consulting in sound and vision so I can choose what I want. It made me so much easier to sell a higher level to all my clients. And it is the easiest way to compete to all other companies who do this for a living. Money I don't care, I am only interested in giving the best sound for the money. In my country there are in this business people who don't like me. Because I am very direct and they know I can easily get a better sound than they can. I have proven this for many years. I love to compete, this what makes me better all the time. I do shows because I want to be the best. I invited the people of B&W. Come and compare, show me. They didn't come. Audio will Always be about comparing. People want the best sound for the money they spend. This is what I want to give them. Nothing more, nothing less. It is that simple! |
Bo please answer me this question as I like you and you seem like a nice guy but when you speak of "truth for me in audio" would you acknowledge that maybe another's truth might be a little different than your's? Do you TELL your customers what is right or do you provide choices so they might decide for themselves? If you reread many of your posts, it really comes across that you may be the "Pope of audio". I'm not trying to be sarcastic but since you are new to this site you might want to consider this fact, you CAN NOT herd cats, do you understand the point?. Just trying to help you a bit and DO re-read some of your posts, it might help going forward otherwise you are going to lead many to post their deep temptations and you may not like it. It's tough fighting off cats once they get started. |
I am not God in audio, I have said that many times. It is not about me, it is about the openness in audio. I prefer a more open way in information to all the people who are interested in audio. I do this bases on all the visits I did at people at home. How easy it is to spend lot's of money on audio and still have a poor level. People buy many stuff based on reviews or what is advised to them. I would like to see less different brands. More quality and less shit. I never say you have to buy this, I only say; you should listen to this. There is a lot of wrong information in audio. When you do this for a living you get aware of it all the time. And yess I am a lot different in this than many other. But I am not them, I am just me. Nothing more, nothing less. |
Every person can say what he wants, I do the same. We live in a "free" world. The focus should be on the threads and not on persons. |
See? I mean really...there is too much here to not have fun with it. He competes and is supposedly a perfectionist in a subjective arena utterly lacking any motivation from selling anything, although he sells things for a living. The Dutch Mountains Messiah making the world a better place...*sniff*... |
You missed the point Bo, re-read. I KNOW you're passonite about audio but the focus will become more on you if you continue the way you have, count the number of "I's" in your posts. Think it doesn't matter? think again. You're right the focus should be on the content and that IS the point, just trying to help you from the disappointment and frustration you will eventually encounter here. We were blessed with two ears and one mouth for a reason, think about it. |
"The Dutch Mountains Messiah" Bo Versus "Lone" Wolf_garcia.
Wrestlemania XXX!
"No Sounds Barred" match!
Special quest referee: Nipper, the RCA "Wonder Dog".
Vince Mcmahan...make this happen! We will all be listening....
:^) |
Wolf, you get your choice of who is in your corner: 1) me or 2) Kate Upton.
I know this is a very "difficult" choice..... |
Hahahaha....it is not a battle. It's just one F..I. I can handle that, no problem. And also he can have his opinion for an amateur. Fine with me :) |
You missed the point Bo, re-read. Tubegroover, shouldn't you expect this from someone sitting in one of those Dutch coffee shops with his iPad or laptop. I'm sure the iPad or laptop has 3D sound. |
I don't smoke, I never did. I don't like Apple. I prefer pure audio products. |
I have a hot girlfriend, so it looks like it's you Mapman. |
Listen to one of your favorite songs several times the week before and then right before (but not loud) before you go to audition. That should help some. Try to pick a revealing test track. |
@bifwynne My first pair of speakers are what I purchased sight unseen and unheard! after intense googling and reviewing and (reading at that time)!. Paradigm studio 40v3s used on the cheap, all 5 of them a decade ago. Over the last decade I did keep going to Magnolia and other dealers local and hear things once in a while after reading reviews.
Finally I took a vacation for myself and went to RMAF 2018 and listened to many speakers. Many of them were kind enough to oblige my request for a song or two many times in the same day!, lol.
But yes it is a difficult process. You need to bucket speakers into different category. Some people say metal tweeters love them , hate them etc. Some swear by soft dome tweeters, there are ribbons and recently I came across plasma tweeters, yeah!. This will help narrow your search.
Speakers can also be bucketed by what the original designers want them to be like neutral or not yet etc. Full range or not.
I realized I prefer a neutral speaker that is easy to drive, can reproduce a good sound stage and has good imaging when the source permits. Should sound good in low volumes etc.
At the least just use a SPL meter on your phone for the music you want to audition with speakers, level match it and ask if they are using room correction or not. Also by now you know the music you like and how you want it to be presented by a good speaker.
Don't read too much into reviews of speakers online. I always tend to like things made by good engineers who try to apply good science or at-least strive to. Sometimes they can be really wrong and sometimes it might work just for you.
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