How to meaningfully audition speakers??


I think this topic has appeared elsewhere, even if worded differently. But I thought I'd ask anyway.

Just upgraded my amp and was thinking about auditioning different speakers. Problem is that there are only a handful of high-end B&M stores nearby. Another complication is that no one store has the 2 or 3 speaker brands that I want to check out.

Further, I am dubious that one can meaningfully audition gear by running from store to store because the test conditions are not identical. In addition, unless a piece is really terrible or incredibly terrific, I don't trust my aural memory. Perhaps other have a different view.

Seems to me that the best way to accomplish what I want is to have the speakers of interest brought to my house and hooked up to my rig. But -- I am NOT aware of any dealer willing to part with expensive gear like that, especially if it has to be specially ordered from a distributor because the model is not on display.

So the Q is what do most folks do? Just buy speakers on hope and a prayer?? Rely on reviews or Forum comments??
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When you will use the amp you own now bring it to the shop. This is a very important start. Listening to speakers with a different amp does not make any sense. For cables same story. I Always advise my clients to bring in there amp. spource and cables and own music. It is that simple, so keep it simple!
Since 2007 I focus on what I call 3-dimensional sound. Because the difference between 2 and 3-dimensional is very big. The emotion you feel with 3 dimensional sound is a lot bigger. So I let people listen to both to understand the difference. Sound is the most important part in audio. Because this is the most important part to listen to your favorite music for many hours in a row. Music is emotion, that is why my focus is on the emotional sound of music. I try to get the maximum level of emotion out of music. Music is the essential part in audio. In this world there are too many people who focus too much on audio instead of music. First you need to understand music before you can understand audio. After this you need to understand all the different properties brands have. This you need to know of all the different amps. sources, speakers, cables, conditioners etc. Audio is the art of using and making the right combination of the different properties amps, sources, speakers, cables, conditioners have. These days my focus is only on 3-dimensional sound. Because this is the only and best way to the absolute sound. I see it at the smiles on people there faces and see people tapping with there feet. Audio is all about music and emotion. It is that simple!
The way how I use audio is very effective. I can easy let people hear a higher level in quality than other shops give to the same people. This is not subjective. This is what people can hear and understand. So your words are useless ( again, like they often are) Depth and wide is not subjective, it is what everyone can hear ( when you have a normal hearing) The same about how big an instrument or voice is projected during listening. There is one thing we agree that is about sound. This needs to be invloving or you never will be happy with it. The misstake you make is focussing on persons. I read some of your answers on treads, you do it more. I never will be personal, maybe this time a little. Because you never stop. Wolfy focus on the threads and the discussion about audio. When I read your answers I see an amature.
I try to keep audio as simple and understandable for every single person. The same about how I use Audyssey. I demonstrate it on and off so people understand and hear the difference what it does. Same about Audyssey EQ and Volume. Just put it on and off. Audio Always will be a personal thing. Listening you have to do yourself. Making the best decision is using your own preference. But there are rules which makes it more easy for every person. When you only looking for speakers you take all your stuff with you what you own. I Always took my amp, preamp, cables, conditioner and source with me to distributers when I was looking for a new speaker. When I took a dscision I took that speaker with me at home. In my country this is the most common way to buy audio.
Good question Charles; tone, timbre is very important is music. One of the reasons why I like Pass Labs a lot is also about the tone, tembre and the harmonics as well. When I bought the XA100.5 from Pass labs I heard many things what I also heard at my friends house during a classical home concert. A recording with different acoustic guitars let me hear the difference in sound of these guitars. For the first time I could hear why some recordings used 2 or 3 voices togheter. The change it gave in hammonics was never this clear. When you listen to many systems and audio stuff you understand and keep in mind that what you love. All the things I loved I wanted to use in 1 system. So it is all the parts togheter. That is why I say: I try to sell emotion instead of audio. Emotion in music is getting bigger when the harmonics, tone and tembre gets better. It influence our brains. The same about the freq. in the lowest octaves. When a system can go lower ther will be more emotion. When you get a 3 dimensional image instruments and voices become fully touchable. When voices and instruments are smaller and have the right and small dimension as in real you get closer to the music. This is what I call intimate sound. I know that it influence people emotionally. When you are a perfectionist like me you want every single part what is important for the absolute sound in your system. But also in other people there system. I use the same perfectionism for my clients as I use it for myself. because I want every single person to enjoy there music as best as possible. These parts can be understand by every person. It is easy to understand. My clients Always say; Bobby's words are the same as the sound he creates. I like things to be clear and simple as possible. Before I let people hear a speaker, amp, source, conditioner, cables etc I explain very simple what it is and what it does. After this I let the music do the work. The music played by a system is like a copy of the words I used. So it is more easy to understand for everyone. My new Olive 06HD with the Purist Audio powercable and brand new Audioquest Wild Blue Yonder give me even new qualilies. It made the stage of my system wider and deeper. So instruments and voices become more loose from eachother. The sound realims is getting to a higher level. Like classical music. The sound of a violin or cello is even more like in real. Harmonics in voices become more clear to hear. For example; Timshel from Mumford&Sons. When I heard it the first time with the O6HD I became very emotional cause of the harmonics. I love Diana Krall and I have all here albums. The Olive with the stunning cables give a lot more air around the voices and instruments. She is singing there as she is in your room. I can hear her breathing and I hear here opening her mouth because I hear her lips. Recordings like Kraftwerk and Yellow are extreme holographic. I also hear many parts of recordings I thought I knew well moving from behind to more forwards. So my set is a combination of all the parts which I loved when I auditioned many sets. And the classical concerts at my friends house play a very important part in how big I want instruments and voices to be comming from a system.
In the last 3 years I bought a lot music on Bluray. Many of these are recorded in 24/96 khz. The sound is often stunning. My speakers let me play at extreme volums. ( 118 db spl) My subwoofer goes down till 16 hz. I like to play sometimes at very high volumes. And yess this can become very addictive as well. All my speakers use ribbon tweeters. You get a stunning level of acoustics of the room where it was recorded. This is an extra and important part for a more realistic performance just at home. What I mentioned earlier is that I love Diana Krall her music. The sound ( a Steinway does have his own sound) of her Steinway needs to be as it is in real. The Olive 06HD cannot only give you a very realistic sound, but also the palpable image it has. And the low freq. of the pedals as in real. There is one thing I have to say again. Instruments and voices are very small in dimension in real. This part is very important for an intimate sound of voices and instruments. I use this part to compare it with the same music played at bigger proportions of instruments and voices. People say that is is a lot less involving. So also this part is important for the emotion it gives to people. For example; I have a 24/192 kHz recording of Seal Acoustic. The number Colour is using a piano. I never heard the piano this clear and open as with the 06HD. Sound realism for pianos does a lot with your emotion That is why I hope to give demo's in the US as well to let people hear it. Because hearing is believing. It is that simple!
Wolfy is still a F.... I, I guess he won't change. I will show it soon that my words are as I write them. It is Always about the truth for me in audio. I will show it also to the F...I...him self. For the truth I never stop!!
The spl of the speaker is maybe 117.9 db. It is just a number, but I can play still very loud. It is detached house, no problems with neigbours. Monitor Audio uses very big magnets and the speaker units are made of ceramic coated aluminium/magnesium. They are light but very stiff. I can even play louder with the Monitor Audio Platinum speakers than with my old B&W 800 Signature. At concerts I often use earplugs, my hearing is very important. I am Always very careful with it. I know when I need to stop. When you have more control and authority you Always can play louder. Even when I play loud there is no harshness at all in the mid and hig freq. I will buy the Pass Labs X600.5 within a year. You need also control in the mid and high freq. to play loud. Many people are stunned how relaxed listening it is even at very high volumes. The PLW-15 subwoofer can be played also at extreme volumes cause of Audyssey Pro, Purist Audio powercable and Audioquest subcable. They use a massive magnet and the material of the 15 inch unit is very light and stiff. I use it from 16hz till 140 hz. I can use it this high cause of the stunning response and control of the bass unit.
I play seldom loud for a long time. The Olive 06HD is giving a lot of weight in the low freq. When you use Purist Audio powercabels this part is getting even more powerful and controlled. The same thing about the Audioquest Wild Blue Yonder. I play most of the time at low volume levels. Because you do not need to play loud to get a stunning level in low freq. I Always played with big systems without a subwoofer. To be honest for stereo I did find it too slow and not fast enough. Now I own the PLW 15 with Audyssey pro I love it for stereo use. I prefer it it over a big speaker without a subwoofer. A few years ago I never thought this could be possible. Time and technique goes on. New techniques give me to change to create a much higher level in sound quality for lower prices than in the past.
Only cause of Audyssey Pro I can play this loud. Because without it you would get too much acoustic problems. This gives me the change to let people hear Bluray at very loud volumes without any stress.
My ears are very sensitive, I can feel when it is too much. That is why I Always have my earplugs with me during concerts. I need my ears for my work. Thanks for your concern!
I sleep also with earplugs. Even with earplugs in my deapest sleep I will get awake in a few seconds when our Weimaraner Beau starts to bark. He is at a long distance from me. I am blessed witha photographic memory in sound. When I hear a system in a few seconds I can write on paper where alkl the instruments and voices are standing. I also remember it with ease. So when a speaker, amp, cable or source will be changed I can compare it with eachother. I knoe exactly what the difference is. This is a big advantage for this work. For Audyssey Pro measurements I gave me the information when you can measure the most dynamics. And at which places you get the best results. That is why I measure at a totally different way compared to Audyssey. We have now contsact with them again. I want to invite them to let them hear that my way of measurement is superior to there way. And no I will never tell them how I do it. Just comparing, most fun part in audio.
Hearing is believing. I prefer shows, place to compare. I do only shows when I have the freedom to use what I want. Same as the stuff I sell. In the past I worked in audio speciality stores. I was comparing night and day. Always looking for the best. Then many products you know which are inferior. When you are a perfectionist you hate these products are some time. Because you are aware of the fact that people get less for there money. These times I only do consulting in sound and vision so I can choose what I want. It made me so much easier to sell a higher level to all my clients. And it is the easiest way to compete to all other companies who do this for a living. Money I don't care, I am only interested in giving the best sound for the money. In my country there are in this business people who don't like me. Because I am very direct and they know I can easily get a better sound than they can. I have proven this for many years. I love to compete, this what makes me better all the time. I do shows because I want to be the best. I invited the people of B&W. Come and compare, show me. They didn't come. Audio will Always be about comparing. People want the best sound for the money they spend. This is what I want to give them. Nothing more, nothing less. It is that simple!
I am not God in audio, I have said that many times. It is not about me, it is about the openness in audio. I prefer a more open way in information to all the people who are interested in audio. I do this bases on all the visits I did at people at home. How easy it is to spend lot's of money on audio and still have a poor level. People buy many stuff based on reviews or what is advised to them. I would like to see less different brands. More quality and less shit. I never say you have to buy this, I only say; you should listen to this. There is a lot of wrong information in audio. When you do this for a living you get aware of it all the time. And yess I am a lot different in this than many other. But I am not them, I am just me. Nothing more, nothing less.
Every person can say what he wants, I do the same. We live in a "free" world. The focus should be on the threads and not on persons.
Hahahaha....it is not a battle. It's just one F..I. I can handle that, no problem. And also he can have his opinion for an amateur. Fine with me :)
I don't smoke, I never did. I don't like Apple. I prefer pure audio products.