Here is what I call High Fidelity Sound. Sorry if you have issues making a determination
**Ohh YT compression,,,ohh comp speakers can reveal the actual in room listening experience,,,, cheap cam micing...** WEll I can. This is probably the very finest sound I've ever herad froma spaker. Thing is, fouund this video while continuing my research on my next speaker build Fostex Sigma 8 + Fostex Sigma 4 The Sigma 4 is in this video. No doubt, and now i understand what you guys were getting at about **The whizzer thing** making unwanted resonances. Got it Agree. No whizzer. Project should be up by may 2022. Going to sell the DLVX8 TB2145 Good DLVX8 Better Fostex Sigma 8 The Best
I'd like to see any xover type design beat out this Fostex Sigma 106.
Where's Erik when I need him,,, someone call up Erik, I need backup support. , Just b/c your speaker is bigger, more expenisve and looks alot nicer, all neat perfect cabinet,, in no way should be implied yours sounds better.
$300 and $100 and I;m done, Dont hav to spend, (waste) one more single cent in speakers ever again in my hobby.
= I;’m not on the speaker-merry-go-round.
You have been saying this same thing for months, yet here you still are on the speaker merry-go-round. How many different drivers and combinations have you tried in just that short time? Far more than anyone else that I am aware of. Heck, you are keeping up with Jay and his component turn over. Just because the horses aren’t the same doesn’t mean it is not a merry-go-round. You are never getting off of it, because you clearly are still not happy with what you have. You won’t be after the next two experiments either.
OK I might skip testing out the 8 inch JBL magnesium woofer,,for now, short on cash.
The Sas clone tweeter , yes, i want to know how that tweeter performs, and its very low price.. My last tweeter experiement, as i'm quite happy with this 1970's Philips tweeter.
I don't expect much applause for my dual FR gimmick, but hey if it floats my boat, why not.
Just waiting for the 2A3 amp, and see what more these speakers can give up.
Also its been more than 2 yrs since i had new tubes in the Defy, so that also might bring some splash to the dual FR.
These things are being tested in the labatory,, I'm expecting more gains with the 2A3 SET and new EHKT88's..
From what I've read these are fantastic sounding tubes.
As a Bache Audio Tribeca owner, I don't understand why more manufacturers don't use so called "full range" drivers as midrange drivers. I sold my PK rebuilt Quad 57s after 14 years because I felt that the Tribeca's were more enjoyable. Prior to hearing the Bache speakers, I heard a demo of the Pure Audio Project open baffle with the Voxativ AC 1.6 driver. I thought the speaker had a nice lively midrange, but I felt there was a disconnect between that driver and the woofers. I had discussed with Greg the possibly of using the Voxitav driver in place of the Tang Band, but once I heard the Tribeca's with the whizzer-less Tang Band driver and that Fostex super tweeter, I lost all interest in the Voxitav driver. What I also love about the Tribeca's is the woofers blend in very nicely. No disconnect or thin sound. I once owned Third Rethms with the 6 inch Lowther DX-55 driver and even though I had a Rel subwoofer, the sound was thin. I could never blend them together, regardless of the settings or placement.
wow talk about change of plans. Lets fiorget all this blab about dumping the DLVX8. anyway, was some nearly a quarter a century ago (2002ish) that i opened a Speaker Shootout at the OK Corral,, very longgg running topic here when audiogon has hunderds of members posting by the SECOND, not days like it is now. anyway, nearlya quarter a century ago, I asked what speaker might be ideal for me,,,hardly anyone mentioned CORAL BETA 8. well I did see it, but was out my budget and very rarely on the used market...and was nearly a Half Century since I began my speaker search back in early 1970’s...well I finally found what I was always looking for.
The DIY Association board told me **do not make a dual FR, we tried it, it will not work,,, and if you do so, you can not post on OUR forum any longer,,,**
I deifed their demand and command and did it as old Frankie sings,,,**and I did it myyyy own wayyyy**. and i did,
Here I try to explain all in this video below. The Seas Excel are near a sale, they were wonderful, but along came Davidlouis As the old saying goes, you can pay(spend) more , but you just might end up with,,,less.
Based on the latest video, and pretty much all of the others you have posted, you clearly have a love for a lot of sibilance. I am not sure which is worse, all of the splashy, spitty, sibilant sound, or your incessant rambling over the top of the recording.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I do not qualify for a horn speaker. One must have cash reserves to set up a horn system. Impressive, but wayyyy out my budget. Which is the reason I developed my Dual Full Range + Dual tweeter system. High Fidelity on a budget,, and beats any and every xover style speaker. Wilson, Dali, Sonus Faber, Rockport, all lose in the shootout at the old speaker OK Corral. I have the worlds best sounding speaker, within certain specs. Midrange, no speaker can touch it other than a horn, But as I say horns = $$$$$GGGKKKK$$$ No thanks Besides a horn is not wife friendly. Toucheeee Would not go near a xover style speaker.
funny how my cam corder picked up the distortion of a xover style speaker,,,and same cd with a Full range, no distortion,, odd how our ears can decive us.
Now I uncerstand why everyone was saying the Seas Thor sounded terrible.
It does actually sound great, its just that has a residual effect of distortion picked up by the Sony cam mic,,whereas with the Davidlouis dual FR, sounds clean, clear, super high fidelity. amazing how this cam test acuattly turned out to be the truth.
btw I hearda 300K Wilson speaker on Youtube,,sounded just horrible, aweful, just gross and highly distorted,. \
Like the Beatles samg, **Can't buy me love..** can 't buy high fidelity neither.
Nice day
Best sounding midrange in the world, Dual DavidLouis.
Please stop feeding the stray cat! Problem is that you guys are laughing at him which he may perceive as legitimate interest or perverse support. There really are no words which means those of us on this forum should do what exactly?
so far not even 1 Audiogon member has contronted my Q here and even dared mount a argument as to why xover /low sens speakers define fidelity??
If xover style speakers are so full of glorious fidelity,, why so many manufacturers, Zu, Tekton leading the newest flavors of the year.
Vandersteens, Thiels, hanging on for deal life,, Wilson's just keeps getting bigger and better, prices are ratcheting up and up and $$$$$$$$$$$, affordable only for Dubai Oil Sheiks.
. You guys pool together and come up with even 1 lame reason xover/low sens are superior to a good FR sysytem, or even my Dual FR system
well Im waiting.
Just 1 theory asto why xovers are superior.
Good luck, ya gonn a need it.
For every 1 idea that you imagine might give the edge to xovers/low sens speaker over FR, I"ll give you TWO reasons why xoverlowsens are flawed.
Let this final battle begin.
Put up YOUR very best designs, Wilson,s Sonus Faber, Rockport, Dali,,, did I leave any of the big guns out??
Crossovers are not superior they are an intrinsic problem in which success is measured by the least damage done. High sensitivity is also, when are other aspects are equal, superior. Issue at hand is what sacrifices must be made to achieve results.
Problem with FR is that they are never full range and they misbehave at frequency extremes. If you cant hear this then you are the one with the problem as the design is intrinsically flawed in this regard. Running a midrange or midbass driver full range also limits output. Add to this the problems with dynamic drivers and you get a better more objective view of the issues involved.
Sorry but your attempts to "dumb down" these complex issues just dont hold water. Too many experienced members on this forum to buy into your gross oversimplifications and inane generalizations. If there was one ideal speaker this would be the speaker all of us would own.
Thank you audition_audio, well said. I would add though that I think that this has been an especially arid period on audiogon, and I love to check in on this thread for entertainment. Always some kind of absurd unsupportable hyperbole from mozartfan.
Crossovers are not superior they are an intrinsic problem in which success is measured by the least damage done. High sensitivity is also, when are other aspects are equal, superior. Issue at hand is what sacrifices must be made to achieve results. Problem with FR is that they are never full range and they misbehave at frequency extremes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Xovers are a flaw add in low sens, another flaw Dont believe go read through Troels Gravesen’s pages on his web site. I never said, in fact ad naseum repeat, FR = full rich detailed Midrange. a FR is not be all end all. I;’m PERFECTLY!!!!!! very happy they are not Be All End all, all fq’s from 10 hz t0 40Khz+++++. AER claims 80Khz,, in their FR drivers,,????
I dont need nor want my Fr to go below,,say 40hz,
50hz is perfectly fine. above 12khz, is all I want/need/demand Ya know I got to chuckle at the xoverlowsens fanatics,,
how they have no idea what they are missing out in midrange..and the prices they pay,,wowowo And these fans of low sens/blood sucking xover style speakers, will never undersatnd what I am saying. They can’t,,understand, they refuse to grasp what I am saying. its just too funny everytime I listen to my FR. I know what they are missing, and I know what I have. Musical genres,. light jazz, blues, folk classical,. I would not trade in my FR for any xoverlowsens speaker in the world. Not even for Troels Gravesen best of his best designs And as we all know, Troels makes the worlds finest speakers, with his Jensen Z caps. No doubt interesting speakers,, but no cigar.
Horns offer a fantastic midrange/soundstage, Consensus vote.
But with issues.
Speakers all began 1920's, as Full Range.
Going **full** circle back to where it all began.
Its only a matter of time before the word gets out, And DO NOT say **what the hoot are you talking about, **WE'VE ALL** known about FR since the late 50's early 60's with EV/Jensen....
while looking for the Chicago 1929 Colotura (sp??) big 16 inch FR,
on Youtube,, seems that vid has been pulled/canceled..
I found this one Upload 3 wks ago. all I can say is WOW ^^^wood^^^ cone like DL’s, But WOW, 16!!!!!! Ohms,
I think this guy makes his own FR speakers..
Sens is higher = less bass. DL’s superior bass. Too high a sens for my use, but wow, very clean, super accurate. China really has all kinds of neat stuff we will not see offered on the Inet.
As we approach the centennial of the birth of Full Range speakers,, we should all by that time, 2029, have at least heard/auditioned/owned 1 pair of high end FR speakers.
WE can all have a honorary tribute get-to-gether party for these masterful speakers at that time, 2029
No spikes, no resonances, neutral, no fatigue,,, yep thats what midrange is suppose to sound like.
Thats all these big boxy high prced xover speakers really are
tweet
midwoofer
dual woofers.
vs my Dual Full Range + dual tweets
There is no midwoofer from Seas, Scanspeak, Accuton, SB Acoustics that is going to out perform a high end FR in midrange.
Even Troel's will readily and honestly admit to this fact.
With dual FR at 93 and 95, I'm getting just as much if not more bass vs the big guns with their dual 10 inch woofers at say 70 SPL.
In order for the big guns to get those dual 10's rockin is to crank up the vol to 85 SPL = now you run the risk of more LOUDNESS which equates to some resonsnces , distortions, fatigue.
Theres no getting around it.
A low sens speaker can not compete with dual higher sens FR speakers.
At a 25% less gain on the linesage vol pot, I get same SPL as your xover speakers.
~~~25% ~~~ less, = higher fidelity , = no fatigue.
Then if I go to 85 SPL on the FR duo's, you will need to match this same SPL by really cranking up the vol pot and the whole xover thing crashes down in LOUDNESS, which ain't saying much for high fidelity.
Sorry LOUDNESS does not, nor ever did equate to
high fidelity.
FR duals , win every time, in every department/category.
Hey Troels you listening???
Your Jensen Z cap xover just a single xover not the pair, just for 1 speaker,,costs more than i am paying for the VX8, and maybe throw in the VX 6 same what you are paying fora single xover with $$$$$ Jensen Z caps.
So I figured I'd pay Stereophile's pagea visit,,, clicked on speakers,, there isa list of new reviews, all 10 are monoliths, at 200-800 lbs EACH CABINET!!!!
Nothing under $100K. Then again nothing over $300K,(hahahaaa).
If you guys can't see, dont want to see, dont care to know what the hoot is going on with this new speaker revolution,
Keep stickin your heads in the sand.
All speakers under review have mustiple sens/ohm issues.
Flawed , no make that seriously flawed speakers at millionaire prices, Ner a one of them can match my Duo FR speaker in midrange.
Go figure.
Stick a fork in it, its done.
Finally this xover thing is in her last death throes, The fireworks show is going out witha bang. 60 yrs of xover types reigning as kings of the speakers,, her rign is now comming to a inglorious, ugly,,may i say distortedfatigued ending.
ohh go ahead and keep kicking the old speaker can down the road,,have at it....you have the bucks they have your speaker
If you prefer a very intimate, minimalist approach to a sound stage with your jazz, blues, stay witha single tweeter, a single tweet allows more SPL ,
vs
a 2nd tweeters superior nuances in deatils whicha single tweet is too subtle and low keyed. But you can get crazy with the vol gain on the pot, dual tweeters will make it a bit congested over say 85 SPL.
I listen no more than 65 SPL, so I'm good.
I prefer soft domes, but you can add any tweeter you like, ribbon, AMT, , whatever, Choice is yours.'
Just make sure you do not bring it down below 4k hz, all T's start to breakup below 4k hz.
I 'm runninga 8.2 uf cap and will experiement witha 10 uf, USE ONLY HIGH END CAPS, Mundorf SESGO or EVO SG's.
He actually broke the flange on one of the tweeters with this "method" of mounting. He talks about doing things on the cheap, but he has blown way more money in the last year doing his experiments than if he would have gone and found something actually engineered properly (i.e. one of the mid-tier Bache models) with a quality amp. The sound is going backward, which is kind of hard to believe given where it started. Changing caps is not the answer. Solid design and engineering could at least get this partially on track. Sadly, when anyone on this or other sites tries to help him, he insists that they are wrong and refuses to listen. Despite all of his claims to the contrary, he remains unhappy with how it sounds.
e actually broke the flange on one of the tweeters with this "method" of mounting
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No actually as i was leaving Richard's shop, it fell out my hands and onto the entry way,, chiped, No big deal, I only consider sound, looks has no importance.
...but guessy what??
I just found a tweet of all tweets.
aint gonna say which,
not enough interest here for me to share lucky finds.
will replace the Philips AD163.
You have capacitors providing a high pass to the tweeters, so how is this a crossoverless system?
Even if the fullrange drivers are used full range (no lowpass filter to that driver), there is a crossover to the tweeters. I’ve heard quite a few such systems, and they can be quite good, but, like any design, there are all kinds of complications compromises—I would expect a lot of interference between the multiple drivers in that setup.
Now folks I ran into one of Richard's friends at his shop yesterday,, Now he hasa speaker system, Can't say how many drivers he has, its privy, Trust me, its alotttttt of drivers.
So here I am listening to my new worlds best sounding speaker thinking,,, well thats it,,,,and have the DL yellow 6 on ebay at a huge 50%++ loss,, ,, doing like John Lee Hooker sings,,,**sittin here a thinkin...** blues ,,, and figured,,,hummm if this guy can run crary numbers ,, why can't,,,,I...so off sale are the DL Yellow 6,,and hooked em up, put ona Diana Krall cd that never really **wowed** me,, The Look of Love,,, mezmerized,the cd just **Went Live** as in concert.
The worlds best speaker now has a Mark IV version.
No I will not post a vid here,, too many sniders and disbelievers here.
I'm about done w audiogon,, what was a wonderfil place to talk high end audio has been invaded by folks who have no interest in real high fidelity.
I'll pop in every now N then... but basically like all the old seasoned audiophiles,, looks like this site has seen better days.
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