High Fidelity Sound Speaker

and yes the speaker sounds exactly as in this video, 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDa9NzKhcbI

"I'm about done w audiogon,, what was a  wonderfil place to talk high end audio has been invaded by folks who have no interest in real high fidelity."

Happy New Year indeed!

Hey Larry

Yes just a  simple 8.2 Mundorf cap,  works perfect.

Now folks I ran into one of Richard's friends at his shop yesterday,, Now he hasa  speaker system, Can't say how many drivers he has, its privy, Trust me, its alotttttt of drivers.

So here I am listening to my new worlds best sounding speaker thinking,,, well thats it,,,,and have the DL yellow 6 on ebay at a  huge 50%++ loss,, ,, doing like John Lee Hooker sings,,,**sittin here a  thinkin...** blues ,,, and figured,,,hummm if this guy can run crary numbers ,, why can't,,,,I...so off  sale are the DL Yellow 6,,and hooked em up, put ona  Diana Krall cd that never really **wowed** me,, The Look of Love,,, mezmerized,the cd just **Went Live** as in concert.

The worlds best speaker now has a  Mark IV version.

No I will not post a  vid here,, too many sniders and disbelievers here.

I'm about done w audiogon,, what was a  wonderfil place to talk high end audio has been invaded by folks who have no interest in real high fidelity.

I'll pop in every now N then... but basically like all the old seasoned audiophiles,, looks like this site has seen better days. 

You have capacitors providing a high pass to the tweeters, so how is this a crossoverless system?  
Even if the fullrange drivers are used full range (no lowpass filter to that driver), there is a crossover to the tweeters.  I’ve heard quite a few such systems, and they can be quite good, but, like any design, there are all kinds of complications compromises—I would expect a lot of interference between the multiple drivers in that setup.

Thank you csmgolf. If it was perfect, why is he always changing the formula?

He actually broke the flange on one of the tweeters with this "method" of mounting. He talks about doing things on the cheap, but he has blown way more money in the last year doing his experiments than if he would have gone and found something actually engineered properly (i.e. one of the mid-tier Bache models) with a quality amp. The sound is going backward, which is kind of hard to believe given where it started. Changing caps is not the answer. Solid design and engineering could at least get this partially on track. Sadly, when anyone on this or other sites tries to help him, he insists that they are wrong and refuses to listen. Despite all of his claims to the contrary, he remains unhappy with how it sounds.

So much for 2 driver full range! Love the way the tweeters are mounted!

OK 2nd tweet added today, just uploadeda   vid. 

If you prefer a  very intimate, minimalist approach to a  sound stage with your jazz, blues, stay witha  single tweeter, a  single tweet allows more SPL , 

vs

a  2nd tweeters superior nuances in deatils whicha  single tweet is too subtle and low keyed. But you can get crazy with the vol gain on the pot, dual tweeters will make it a  bit  congested over say 85 SPL.

I listen no more than 65 SPL, so I'm good.

I prefer soft domes, but you can add any tweeter you like, ribbon, AMT, , whatever, Choice is yours.'

Just make sure you do not bring it down below 4k hz, all T's start to breakup  below 4k hz.

I 'm runninga  8.2 uf cap and will experiement witha  10 uf, USE ONLY HIGH END CAPS, Mundorf SESGO or EVO SG's. 

Dont use cheap caps. 

"Stick a fork in it, its done."

Sadly, you're never done. Still fantasizing that speakers with crossovers are going to just go away. I wish that you would.

So I figured I'd pay Stereophile's pagea  visit,,, clicked on speakers,, there isa  list of new reviews, all 10 are monoliths, at 200-800 lbs EACH CABINET!!!!

Nothing under $100K. Then again nothing over $300K,(hahahaaa).

If you guys can't see, dont want to see, dont care to know what the hoot is going on with this new speaker revolution, 

Keep stickin your heads in the sand.

All speakers under review have mustiple sens/ohm issues.

Flawed , no make that seriously flawed speakers at millionaire  prices, Ner a  one of them can match my Duo FR speaker in midrange.

Go figure.

Stick a fork in it, its done.

Finally this xover thing is in her last death throes, The fireworks show is going out witha bang. 60 yrs of xover types reigning as kings of the speakers,, her rign is now comming to a  inglorious, ugly,,may i say distortedfatigued ending.

ohh go ahead and keep kicking the old speaker can down the road,,have at it....you have  the bucks they have your speaker

https://www.stereophile.com/category/floor-loudspeaker-reviews

Thats all these big boxy high  prced xover speakers really are

tweet

midwoofer

dual woofers.

vs my Dual Full Range + dual tweets

There is no  midwoofer from Seas, Scanspeak, Accuton, SB Acoustics that is going to out perform a  high end FR in midrange.

Even Troel's will readily and honestly admit to this fact.

With dual FR at 93 and 95, I'm getting just as much if not more bass vs the big guns with their dual 10 inch woofers at say 70 SPL.

In order for the big guns to get those dual 10's rockin is to crank up the vol to 85 SPL = now you run the risk of more LOUDNESS which equates to some resonsnces , distortions, fatigue.

Theres no getting around it.

A low sens speaker can not compete with dual higher sens FR speakers.

At a  25% less gain on the linesage vol pot, I get same SPL as your xover speakers.

~~~25% ~~~ less, = higher fidelity , = no fatigue.

Then if I go to 85 SPL on the FR duo's, you will need to match this same SPL by really cranking up the vol pot and the whole xover thing crashes down in LOUDNESS, which ain't saying much for high fidelity. 

Sorry LOUDNESS does not, nor ever did equate to 

high fidelity.

FR duals , win every time, in every department/category.

Hey Troels you listening???

Your Jensen Z cap xover just a  single xover not the pair, just for 1 speaker,,costs more than i am paying for the VX8, and maybe throw in the VX 6 same what you are paying fora  single xover with $$$$$ Jensen Z caps.

FR win everytime.  

So 1929 - 2029 100 years.

As we approach the centennial of the birth of Full Range speakers,, we should all by that time, 2029, have at least heard/auditioned/owned 1 pair of high end FR speakers.

WE can all have a  honorary tribute get-to-gether   party for  these masterful speakers at that time, 2029

No spikes, no resonances, neutral, no fatigue,,, yep thats what midrange is suppose to sound like.

xovers hijacked the speaker industry.

Car -jackings, how about speaker-jacking...

Coral Beta 8 Legend in its day,,,but now its successor the DavidLouis VX8 has made some nice improvments.

The Baton has passed on to davidLouis VX8

Still looking for the YT vid of the 1929 Chicago Colotura FR speaker,,,and came across this.

This High res upload sounds preety close (exact) to what my DLVX8 sounds like in my room Very accurate.

So here you can some idea of what to expect if you add this speaker.

posted Dec2021

while looking for the Chicago 1929 Colotura (sp??) big 16 inch FR,

on Youtube,, seems that vid has been pulled/canceled..

I found this one Upload 3 wks ago. all I can say is WOW ^^^wood^^^ cone like DL’s, But WOW, 16!!!!!! Ohms, 

I think this guy makes his own FR speakers..

Sens is higher = less bass. DL’s superior bass. Too high a sens for my use, but wow, very clean, super accurate. China really has all kinds of neat stuff we will not see offered on the Inet.

Horns offer a  fantastic midrange/soundstage, Consensus vote.

But with issues.

Speakers all began 1920's, as Full Range.

Going **full** circle back to where it all began.

Its only a  matter of time before the word gets out, And DO NOT say **what the hoot are you talking about, **WE'VE ALL** known about FR  since the  late 50's early 60's with EV/Jensen....

I AINT buying that baloney.

WE all should keep in mind,, where xover speakers are at the very weakest junction,,, FR at that very same fq junction,,are at their strongest.

Something that should  be brought to ~~awareness~~ = understanding.

OK so you xover fans will not admit the xover type has a flaw,, Got it.

But its there, it exists, call it/deny it , whatever you wish, its there,

Put a fork in me!

"I would not trade in my FR for any xoverlowsens speaker in the world."

I told you that you'd say it again!

Crossovers are not superior they are an intrinsic problem in which success is measured by the least damage done. High sensitivity is also, when are other aspects are equal, superior. Issue at hand is what sacrifices must be made to achieve results. Problem with FR is that they are never full range and they misbehave at frequency extremes.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Xovers are a flaw add in low sens, another flaw Dont believe go read through Troels Gravesen’s pages on his web site. I never said, in fact ad naseum repeat, FR = full rich detailed Midrange. a FR is not be all end all. I;’m PERFECTLY!!!!!! very happy they are not Be All End all, all fq’s from 10 hz t0 40Khz+++++. AER claims 80Khz,, in their FR drivers,,????

I dont need nor want my Fr to go below,,say 40hz,

50hz is perfectly fine. above 12khz, is all I want/need/demand Ya know I got to chuckle at the xoverlowsens fanatics,,

how they have no idea what they are missing out in midrange..and the prices they pay,,wowowo And these fans of low sens/blood sucking xover style speakers, will never undersatnd what I am saying. They can’t,,understand, they refuse to grasp what I am saying. its just too funny everytime I listen to my FR. I know what they are missing, and I know what I have. Musical genres,. light jazz, blues, folk classical,. I would not trade in my FR for any xoverlowsens speaker in the world. Not even for Troels Gravesen best of his best designs And as we all know, Troels makes the worlds finest speakers, with his Jensen Z caps. No doubt interesting speakers,, but no cigar.

Thank you audition_audio, well said. I would add though that I think that this has been an especially arid period on audiogon, and I love to check in on this thread for entertainment. Always some kind of absurd unsupportable hyperbole from mozartfan. 

Crossovers are not superior they are an intrinsic problem in which success is measured by the least damage done. High sensitivity is also, when are other aspects are equal, superior. Issue at hand is what sacrifices must be made to  achieve results.

Problem with FR is that they are never full range and they misbehave at frequency extremes. If you cant hear this then you are the one with the problem as the design is intrinsically flawed in this regard. Running a midrange or midbass driver full range also limits output. Add to this the problems with dynamic drivers and you get a better more objective view of the issues involved.

Sorry but your attempts to "dumb down" these complex issues just dont hold water. Too many experienced members on this forum to buy into your gross oversimplifications and inane generalizations. If there was one ideal speaker this would be the speaker all of us would own.

No more Friskies for you!

This MF Guy is only here to argue.

His entire thread is combative as are all of them.

so far not even 1 Audiogon member has contronted my Q here and even dared mount a  argument as to why xover /low sens speakers define fidelity??

If xover style speakers are so full of glorious fidelity,, why so many manufacturers, Zu, Tekton leading the newest flavors of the year.

Vandersteens, Thiels, hanging on  for deal life,, Wilson's just keeps getting bigger and better, prices are ratcheting up and up and $$$$$$$$$$$,  affordable only for Dubai Oil Sheiks.

. You guys pool together and come up with even 1 lame reason xover/low sens are superior to a  good FR sysytem, or  even my Dual FR system

well Im waiting.

Just 1 theory asto why xovers are superior.

Good luck, ya gonn a need it. 

For every 1 idea that you imagine might give the edge to xovers/low sens speaker over FR, I"ll give you  TWO reasons why xoverlowsens are flawed.

Let this final battle begin. 

Put up YOUR very best designs, Wilson,s Sonus Faber, Rockport, Dali,,, did I leave any  of the big guns out??

ozzy62

I just finally watched one of these videos. Words fail me.

How about kludgey and dangerous for starters?

Hey mozartfan,

Why don't you use some of all that money you saved on a decent pair of cabinets?

Sorry audition_audio, I couldn't resist.

Please stop feeding the stray cat! Problem is that you guys are laughing at him which he may perceive as legitimate interest or perverse support.  There really are no words which means those of us on this forum should do what exactly?

One Hundred Thousand + another Sixty Nine Thousand + Louisiana state tax @ 10%

Lets not forget state tax ya know.

another 17k add on.

My speaker

Under $1k

Ouch.

Thor cabinets are now out for the trash collector,, hahaha, never go near a  xover box style, never again, Been there done THAT. 

You can have your Zu's, Tek

's Wilson.s , Dalis, Sonus Fabers,, Rockports at $100K...

I'll take my dual FR.

$169,500

I just finally watched one of these videos. Words fail me.

mahlman,

Agreed. He is entertaining.

funny how my cam corder picked up the distortion of a  xover style speaker,,,and same cd with a  Full range, no distortion,, odd how our ears can decive us.

Now I uncerstand why everyone was saying the Seas Thor sounded terrible.

It does actually sound great, its just that has a  residual effect of distortion picked up by the Sony cam mic,,whereas with the Davidlouis dual FR, sounds clean, clear, super high fidelity. amazing how this cam test acuattly turned out to be the truth.

btw I hearda  300K Wilson speaker on Youtube,,sounded just horrible, aweful, just gross and highly distorted,. \

Like the Beatles samg, **Can't buy me love..** can 't buy high fidelity neither.

Nice day

Best sounding midrange in the world, Dual DavidLouis.

2nd to none  under $20K, 

Wrong. (as usual)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I do not qualify for a horn speaker. One must have cash reserves to set up a horn system. Impressive, but wayyyy out my budget. Which is the reason I developed my Dual Full Range + Dual tweeter system. High Fidelity on a budget,, and beats any and every xover style speaker. Wilson, Dali, Sonus Faber, Rockport, all lose in the shootout at the old speaker OK Corral. I have the worlds best sounding speaker, within certain specs. Midrange, no speaker can touch it other than a horn, But as I say horns = $$$$$GGGKKKK$$$ No thanks Besides a horn is not wife friendly. Toucheeee Would not go near a xover style speaker.

https://www.avantgarde-acoustic.de/en/customer-galleries.html

Not enough S’s in ssssizzle. 

Based on the latest video, and pretty much all of the others you have posted, you clearly have a love for a lot of sibilance. I am not sure which is worse, all of the splashy, spitty, sibilant sound, or your incessant rambling over the top of the recording. 

It is good to see a hobbiest that keeps himself amused with what he does and entertains others while doing so.

"Horns might be superior, but there is all sorts of requirements to home a  horn system."

Wrong. (as usual) 

Just sold off my Seas W18E001's,  4 Midwoofers $450 FREE SHIP, You snooze, you lose.

No turning back now, I'm done with xover type sp[rakers except for a  tweeter, In fact going to run DUAL tweeters.

Late 1970's Philips AD163 + a  Seas clone from Davidlouis.

Dual Full Range

+ 

Dual tweeters.

NO MIDWOOFERS.

Why?

There is plentyyyyy of nice solid bass with dual Full range.

the VX8 might go to 50hz, the VX6 to 60hz.

The specs say 40hz on both, might be true, might not, Who really cares.

I listen to classical music, some kettle drums, mostly cello, some bouble bass.

Cello LOWEST notes roll off at 65hz.

So I'm covered in the bass depatment.

Highs, both speakers claim 15Khz, But I strongly urge addinga  dedicated tweeter for ambience, 

Go down to 5khz. on your xover.

Last  night's listening sesdsion confirmed I really believe I have the worlds best sounding speaker. 

Horns might be superior, but there is all sorts of requirements to home a  horn system. 

And its wayyyy too much sound pressure level for my  taste at 100 db sensitivirty.

Horns  would never work for my needs.

Adios to all and ever box style xovered/low sensitivity speaker 

Forever.

Going to sell the DLVX8

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ mozartfans OP,

some months back

wow talk about change of plans. Lets fiorget all this blab about dumping the DLVX8. anyway, was some nearly a quarter a century ago (2002ish) that i opened a Speaker Shootout at the OK Corral,, very longgg running topic here when audiogon has hunderds of members posting by the SECOND, not days like it is now. anyway, nearlya quarter a century ago, I asked what speaker might be ideal for me,,,hardly anyone mentioned CORAL BETA 8. well I did see it, but was out my budget and very rarely on the used market...and was nearly a Half Century since I began my speaker search back in early 1970’s...well I finally found what I was always looking for.

The DIY Association board told me **do not make a dual FR, we tried it, it will not work,,, and if you do so, you can not post on OUR forum any longer,,,**

I deifed their demand and command and did it as old Frankie sings,,,**and I did it myyyy own wayyyy**. and i did,

Here I try to explain all in this video below. The Seas Excel are near a sale, they were wonderful, but along came Davidlouis As the old saying goes, you can pay(spend) more , but you just might end up with,,,less.

As a Bache Audio Tribeca owner, I don't understand why more manufacturers don't use so called "full range" drivers as midrange drivers. I sold my PK rebuilt Quad 57s after 14 years because I felt that the Tribeca's were more enjoyable. Prior to hearing the Bache speakers, I heard a demo of the Pure Audio Project open baffle with the Voxativ AC 1.6 driver. I thought the speaker had a nice lively midrange, but I felt there was a disconnect between that driver and the woofers. I had discussed with Greg the possibly of using the Voxitav driver in place of the Tang Band, but once I heard the Tribeca's with the whizzer-less Tang Band driver and that Fostex super tweeter, I lost all interest in the Voxitav driver. What I also love about the Tribeca's is the woofers blend in very nicely. No disconnect or thin sound. I once owned Third Rethms with the 6 inch Lowther DX-55 driver and even though I had a Rel subwoofer, the sound was thin. I could never blend them together, regardless of the settings or placement.

OK I might skip testing out the 8 inch JBL magnesium woofer,,for now, short on cash.

The Sas clone tweeter , yes, i want to know how that tweeter performs, and its very low price.. My last tweeter experiement, as i'm quite happy with this 1970's Philips tweeter.

I don't expect much applause for my dual FR gimmick, but hey if it floats my boat, why not.

Just waiting for the 2A3 amp, and see what more these speakers can give up.

Also its been more than 2 yrs since i had new tubes in the Defy, so that also might bring some splash to the dual FR.

These things are being tested in the labatory,, I'm expecting more gains with the 2A3 SET and new EHKT88's.. 

From what I've read these are fantastic sounding tubes. 

Just be patient more YT uploads on the way....

csmgolf,

You wouldn't be happy either if you were listening to drivers half-screwed in to those mismatched chatterboxes he's using.

mozartfan,

It has nothing to do with how pretty the cabinets look, it's the way they perform that matters, and yours are poor performers.

I have 2 more experiemnts to make

$300 and $100 and I;m done, Dont hav to spend, (waste) one more single cent in speakers ever again in my hobby.

= I;’m not on the speaker-merry-go-round.

You have been saying this same thing for months, yet here you still are on the speaker merry-go-round. How many different drivers and combinations have you tried in just that short time? Far more than anyone else that I am aware of. Heck, you are keeping up with Jay and his component turn over. Just because the horses aren’t the same doesn’t mean it is not a merry-go-round. You are never getting off of it, because you clearly are still not happy with what you have. You won’t be after the next two experiments either.

Where's Erik when I need him,,, someone call up Erik, I need backup support. , Just b/c your speaker is bigger, more  expenisve and looks  alot nicer, all neat perfect cabinet,, in no way should be implied yours sounds better.