Yes sir!
Grew up on the NWOBHM stuff from this one seller at a local flea market, had a box of tapes, and I would buy one every week.
I cut my teeth on venom, spartan warrior, tank, Raven, crossfire bitch, Mercyful fate, Bathory, I would always look for the fastest band I could find.
once the early mid 80’s thrash hit my ears, I was in love. Never looked back. Still listen to metal daily. I have to have it, it’s what keeps me going.
cant express how much I love metal, it’s in my blood.
always will be.
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Punk/New Wave rock songs often move at considerably quicker tempos than metal music. So can classical and jazz music. Yeah, Heavy Metal guitar players can play quick successions of notes but their licks are largely confined to simple patterns that are within the normal span of the fretting hand and that often don’t require more than two or three fingers to negotiate.
Classical players also excel at the surprisingly difficult task of playing at extremely slow tempos. Classical players are able to be comfortable within (and constantly shift among) key signatures, something that would drive any rock-and-roller, of whatever genre, utterly nuts.
True, heavy metal playing takes stamina and a considerable ability to withstand insanely loud sound levels. The guy who called the profession of rock "going deaf for a living" really got it pegged. I also have to say that I’ve played in my share of genres through the years (mostly on guitar), and that it’s a total blast to do metal. But in terms of sheer musicianship, heavy metal artists are, at best, in the middle of the pack. |
Its true. Django Reinhardt tried his hand at heavy metal, but found it too technically challenging and so had to make do with French jazz. Chet Akins and Roy Clark floundered as well. Mark Knopfler nearly made it, but decided why work when you can make your money for nothing, and your chicks for free?
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Heavy metal musicians are no doubt impressive. I wonder, though, what things would sound like if we removed the extreme distortion filters. If you gave a heavy metal musician as acoustic guitar, what would it sound like with the same music?
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This may be difficult to find, but, if you can, listen to Le CouCou by Wargasm. (Album : Why Play Around)
Also, to Yngwei Malmstein.
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Heavy metal musicians are no doubt impressive. I wonder, though, what
things would sound like if we removed the extreme distortion filters. Okay, wait- extreme distortion FILTERS?? So heavy metal would be even more distorted without the filters???! |
- Arguing about which musicians and genres are "best" is a an exercise in meaningless outcomes. All genres have musicians both superb and mediocre. Each genre requires different skill sets and we all respond differently to particular high points in a musician's tool kit of skills. To suggest the technique of any skilled musician is "easy" suggests to me that one's listening and music appreciation skills need further development.
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Yeah, agree with the above... Way over generalized opinion. Jazz is far from "easy" to play WELL, same with metal, or fusion or whatever. As a drummer, there are things on both sides of the spectrum I find extremely challenging. Just depends and the artist and the band, and frankly what suits the particular piece. Lot's of metal drummers study Jazz drumming to a degree as it gives them facilities otherwise not learned that are very useful in practical playing. I'm not a Jazz drummer, but most of my skill building work comes directly form some of the Jazz greats. I use it all the time. |
A well kept music industry secret is that 99% of the great "recorded" heavy metal guitar licks were performed in studio by George Gobel.
February 24, 1991 is the day that Heavy Metal died (RIP George Gobel).
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This may be difficult to find, but, if you can, listen to Le CouCou by Wargasm. (Album : Why Play Around) That sounds really good. |
A well kept music industry secret is that 99% of the great "recorded"
heavy metal guitar licks were performed in studio by George Gobel. In 1999 the Megadeath tour was thrown into a shambles with the unexpected death on June 5th of Mel Torme. Not that there was any connection. Cough cough. |
Okay, wait- extreme distortion FILTERS?? So heavy metal would be even more distorted without the filters???! Let’s not debate semantics. Generically, the term ’audio filter’ can be applied to mean anything which changes the timbre or harmonic content of an audio signal. |
as my pro guitar playing friends say, "play louder and faster" as a way to disguise lack of true musicianship. IMO, jazz and classical are cerebral musical forms and metal is just a loud physical type of music. no knock on any genre or anyone's taste in music from me.
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Let’s not debate semantics.
Generically, the term ’audio filter’ can be applied to mean anything which changes the timbre or harmonic content of an audio signal. Uh, what you just did is precisely to debate semantics. Just so you know. So your idea of not debating semantics is to say "changes the timbre or harmonic content" can mean adds or subtracts. After all either one is a change. Therefore a filter can also add. Even though we know filters are used to sift through and remove. No wonder you don't want to debate. |
I don't know for sure, but words from a person who doesn't or hasn't played a musical instrument.
Just a silly, unenlightened comment.
Back to Black Sabbath and Art Blakey on the table.
Any system setup right, all music sounds good.
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As someone who has identified as a musician, I beg to differ. Heavy metal is full of fast triplets to hide a lack of prowess. I do listen to some, but I never heard a HM drummer who compares in technique to Buddy Rich or Terry Bozzio, nor a guitarist who holds a candle to Nita Strauss or Steve Vai. Not to mention the electric bass of Flea (OK, he might be heavy metal), and the acoustic bass of Ron Carter. And don't even ask me about the best guitarist I ever saw, Segovia. I do agree about jazz guitarists. The are usually pretty lame, and yes, i do know listen to Herb Ellis. Piano: Oscar! Trumpet and Sax: ignored in HM.
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millercarbon: There is something new yuou should try. It is called google. If you google "heavy metal" and "Django Reinhardt", you would discover that heavy metal is believed to have begun no sooner than the late 1960s and reached a mass audience in the 1970"s. Django died in 1953.
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Is your source on Mark Knopfler, Roy Clark, or Chet Atkins the same as your source on Djanggo Reinhardt, who died in 1953, just a bit before the introduction of Heavy Metal?
Don't worry though. I used to believe what I heard, especially when it coincided with what might likd to believe. It is an easy habit to break.
GOOGLE!
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There has been many bands whom have been called metal, look at the old Grammy thing, or some past music reward ceremony,.when Jethro Tull won best heavy metal song?
REALLY, ??
not metal.
look at that Def Leppard band, I’m not a huge fan, their early ep and first three records were very influential to the NWOBHM sound, then they went pop rock, and that is all, they have been a pop rock band since, and have made a $hit of money.
One of my wife’s fav bands.
My huge peeve the past 25 or so years, and currently is the 819 genres given to metal:
There are too many to list, my brother/sister rivethedz know the drill.
drives me nuts.
When I was young, it was all under one huge umbrella called HEAVY METAL, that is all.
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Wow. I locked up a lot of great names for me to check out.
George Gobel
Ron Carter
Segovia
Herb Ellis
Nita Strauss
Buddy Rich
Dave Lombardo
Mel Torme
Amd more
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jagjag
Cool idea for a thread. Jazz drummers were the original Heavy Metal drummers. Another +vote for NWOBHM.
Happy Listening!
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this thread needs:
Swarm subwoofers/DEBRA/BARBARA
Diana Krall
Vandersteen
Quad
Tuning your eyeballs to your speakers
The conspiracy of speaker manufacturers
RUSH
Jazz fusion
Tekton
Power Cables
Professional reviewers
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In the mail a few days ago, I received three new CDs.
New The Who cd
new pretty maids
new tygers of pan tang cd.
past few days new Tesla, assassin, s.d.i., new blitzkrieg Ep,
among many others, this is a great month, getting caught up on releases finally.
new darkthrone is good,
new whitesnake is good.
few others, but have not listened to all of them.
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Some of the albums I always have with me on Spotify
Ensiferum - From Afar
Dimmu Borgir - Eonian
Flotsam &Jetsam - Doomsday for the Deceiver
Carcass - Heartwork
Alestorm - All the albums
Sabbaton
Powerwolf
And for good ear cleaning, Intestine Baalism |
I like a lot of heavy metal, but could not disagree more with your premise.
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I’m a bit taken aback at the statement regarding Knopfler not being able to make in metal, then settling. Mark plays very difficult pieces. If you listen to other guitarists they will state that Knopfler is quite good.
I don’t agree that any genre of music is more difficult than another. There are outstanding musicians in many fields. |
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a hilarious premise.
if only SRV, Eric Clapton, Charlie Byrd, or John Williams had been good enough for heavy metal...
too bad J.J. Cale only played a few notes per solo. Imagine how great they could have been multiplied by 20.
many musicians, from Debussy to Miles Davis, have pointed out that the spaces between the notes matter more than the notes themselves. AFAIK, no H M guitarist has ever grasped this concept.
many have commented that BB King could express more with one note than many guitarists could with 100.
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What was great, Gar Samuelson and Chris Poland, when joined Megadeth, they were jazz musicians, play, drums, guitar, were different from many bands,
Gar’s drums were an opposite to metal, give a listen, it’s amazing, yet the Killing is my business record was an absolute masterpiece!
The wankers,..
of metallisnatch were quicker to release “kill em all” before megadeths killing is my business album.
Listening to so much metal since the early 80s’
megadeths catalogue is far better than the Snatchtallica band.
The complete discography of megadouche is far better than the metallicrotch discography!
Many of you little yutes may say I’m nuts, But look, listen, and the music, songwriting is way better than metallitaint. Yet Dave is still angry about getting the boot from the band.
he has done so much better , better music, and so on.
he should have sued them more for that lil curly haired hammet and his pomeade stealing his riffs.
Gnight
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