Greatest Rock Drummers


Given the subject line many names come to mind such as  Ginger Baker, Keith Moon, Phil Collins and Carl Palmer but, is Neil Peart the greatest rock drummer of all time?

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Keith Carlock (Wayne Krantz) played with Steely Dan as did Peter Erskin, so both played Rock music. I think worth mentioning is David Kemper who I saw with the Jerry Garcia Band and he is as rock solid as they come. If I had a musically charged group, I would want David Kemper as my drummer. Additionally, I see that nobody has yet mentioned the superb technician Pierre Moerlen who played for Gong. I’m more of a Pierre Moerlen fan than other technicians i.e. Carl Palmer, Neil Peart,...
The Greatest?? Please explain?
As a guitarist, I can listen to Keef and Ronnie meandering and weaving between themselves on Beast of Burden.
Is this technically proficient playing? No
Is it difficult? No
Is it emotionally stirring? Yes (for me, anyway)
Steve Vai playing, well, just about anything, I would answer yes to all the above questions. (Mostly)
How about Johnny Ramone in comparison to Steve? Was he a blast to listen to? Yup! Comparable chops? Nope
Eddie Van Halen vs Malcolm Young? etc.. etc... etc.., and yet the same outcome.
Sorry folks, I'm a guitarist, so this is how I gauge the question. Not trying to hijack the thread.
Is Mike Portnoy a "Greater" drummer than Ringo? How can this question be answered? I just don't get it! If you are a Beatles fan, and also a Dream Theater fan, would you like to see them switch stools? I don't think so. It would not work, yet we enjoy listening to both approaches/styles, and come away with a pleasurable listening session.
Just my 2 cents FWIW
BTW, I really like Terry Bozzio's playing :)


Does Philip Selway from Radiohead fit into the group? he's a drummer's drummer. Just sayin. Watching from the Basement right now.
enjoy all :)
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Always interesting to hear the opinions of others. In the mid seventies when Derek and the Dominoes was in heavy rotation on the turntables of myself and 2 good friends, we loved that record, but often complained about Jim Gordon's lackluster playing which we all thought took away from the otherwise excellent musicianship on that record. Listening to it now, which I don't do very often, I still feel that another drummer could have made a better contribution to that band.

Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe’s favorite Rock ’n’ Roll drummer is Terry Williams (Rockpile, Carlene Carter, Dire Straits). Tom Ardolino of NRBQ was an unusually creative drummer (recently deceased), but not one whom anyone merely looking for technical chops would appreciate. He had a wicked sense of musical humor, something missing in the playing of a lot drummers, even those mentioned here.

When technique is the yardstick by which a drummer is measured, of course those from the Jazz world rise to the top. Rock ’n’ Roll does not necessarily require the same skill set to play really well, and in fact can sabotage the music (see my post mentioning Danny Gatton, a guitarist everyone should give a listen to. Vince gill nicknamed him "The Humbler").

Jim Keltner (Ry Cooder, George Harrison, Bill Frisell, Traveling Wilburys) is one Jazz-trained drummer who really understands how to play in a Rock ’n’ Roll band. Jim said he wished he played more like Roger Hawkins. Few here appear to understand and appreciate why Jim would feel that way. Jim is also a huge fan of the playing of Levon Helm. Keltner and another Jim, Gordon, played together in Mad Dogs & Englishmen (Joe Cocker), the best double-drum team since the two guys in The Funk Brothers (the Motown house band). Gordon’s playing is so, so musical. He’s on Dave Mason’s Alone Together album, and was in Derek & The Dominoes with Clapton, as well as in Traffic with the aforementioned Roger Hawkins.

Clapton and Winwood are two guys with great taste (remember that quaint attribute? ;-) in drummers. It was after hearing Levon Helm in The Band that Clapton realized the error of his (and everyone else’s) ways, and disbanded Cream. He went up to The Band’s house in Woodstock (Big Pink), hanging around waiting for them to ask him to join. When he finally realized they didn’t require his services ;-), he joined Delaney & Bonnie’s road band, where he met Jim Gordon. Clapton’s current drummer is Steve Gadd, another Jazz drummer who really understands how to play Rock. Many don’t.

There have been numerous very talented drummers who have made terrible music. Carmine Appice (Vaniila, ugh, Fudge, Rod Stewart, Jeff Beck) and Jeff Porcaro (the horrid Toto) spring to mind. Would the music of, say, The Beatles, have been "better" with either of them on the drummers throne? Or rather perhaps not as good?

Oh dear... I almost forgot Phil Ehart of Kansas, his timing is flawless. And Nick Mason´s forte is economical but very convincing style, see Live at Pompeii video. Simon Phillips is great as well.
Some of you guys may enjoy the movie "Whiplash" showing today (Sunday) at 9:00am CDT on AXSTV.

Dave
Lots of great choices above! Has
 anyone ever heard of Mike Portnoy?
Not too shabby in my book😜
I saw Buddy Rich a few times in the 70’s, Joe Morello, Peter Erskine.
As I stated earlier, these lists of Rock drummers invariably turn into a list of Jazz drummers. But the reason could be that many of those who make these lists are interested in musicians who have progressed in their craft, which ultimately is learning to play jazz.
When I started playing drums, I only wanted to play rock. After awhile, my instructor led me to jazz and I’m glad he did.

There are Rock drummers who are the best for the genre or a band’s style of music; e.g., Ringo. Then there are drummers who are highly skilled who move beyond a single genre. There’s no doubt that Carl Palmer, Neal Peart, Phil Collins, Bill Bruford, Mitch Mitchell have the chops to play jazz, but are in the Rock category. And then there’s Steve Gadd and Jim Keltner who decidedly play it all.

The following link was on another thread and is for the Neil Peart fans. This girl is amazing; she makes forget that I don’t like Rush...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C00BpiE52mM


Sorry to join the discussion late, and glad to see Richie Hayward, my all time favorite, receive some mention, along with Steve Gadd, and Jeff Porcaro.  Surprised to see zero mention of Rod Morgenstein (Dregs, etc.). Since there's also been discussion of Jazz players, I will also offer Joe Morello (Dave Brubeck, the Take Five solo), Alex Acuna (Weather Report, etc.), also Peter Erskine (also Wearher Report and many others).
Sorry about getting here late. I come from the Gary Chester philosophy about drumming, which is to play musically foremost and then if you’re given a drum solo... Lately I’ve been listening to Dallas Taylor on the first CS&N recording and it sounds very supportive in a musical sense. I’ve always admired drummers who are also musicians i.e. Paul Motion and why he preferred not to solo. I did catch the Buddy Rich Big Band in the very early 1980’s (also the Mel Lewis) and it was fantastic however when I saw Paul Motion with Paul Bley and Steve Swallow, it was something that was very different from what I was previously familiar with. So if I were to make a list, I’d have to consider the complete band and other musical aspects as a whole, which would then, I believe, present a different set of problems altogether.
Rock drummers: I’ve always liked Michael Shrieve of the band Santana. He could play rock, jazz, blues, anything. Heck but I thought if you were a true musician you can play anything. At least that’s what Grover Washington Jr. said.

Here’s a link for Michael Shrieve on youtube. The album is Santana - Cravanserai. Please see link here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InlDs3C5Twk

And as far my favorite drummer and I think he was the best that ever sat in a trap set is Chick Webb. In 1937 Chick Webb’s band had a battle of the swing bands with Benny Goodman’s band. The drummer for Benny Goodman’s band was Gene Krupa. Chick Webb on the drums, ’cut’ Gene Krupa up so bad that Gene Krupa had to stop and give Chick Webb his props. Please see link here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbamDNDoJu0



Neil Peart.

Being a drummer, I see the merit in all of the talent mentioned, except Ringo maybe ;^), but Neil Peart amazes me. If you look at the recorded (or live) body of work he has produced, it doesn’t hinge on an overly specific and narrow stylistic preference or particular skill. Across all of his work and over more than 4 decades, he has consistently been THE greatest rock drummer in my mind.

Our family of 5 have gone to many, many Rush concerts, and nobody inspires "air drumming" like Neil.

That being said, I’d also like to drop an honorable mention for Terry Bozzio. Love the drums in US Drag.
Great suggestions from all. Interesting to compare styles.

Mitch and Jimi are really just jamming. Using typical call and response type comping.

Bonham and Jimmy often worked together very carefully to make something really artistic and complementary. (Of course they often did Call and Response too with Plant leading as this is a key aspect of Blues - Black Dog being a great example)

Both are amazing drummers.

I do think the greatest Rock Drummers work carefully with the other musicians to make the song greater than just a sum of individual talent. Creating a tightly knit piece that locks together.

I don’t really enjoy a lot of modern jazz because of the individual jamming (comping). However I do enjoy traditional big band stuff. I believe it is actually harder to carefully craft a simple piece like Queen often did - where everything fits tightly together.

Jamming is often a display of great individual talent but it is not planned and carefully constructed where the whole combination is greater than the individual talent...
I will have to respectfully disagree about Alan White. I believe that Yes made a huge mistake when they brought him on board after Bill Bruford left. Very disappointing in recorded material as well as live performances. 
Ringo? Phil Collins? Travis Barker?  Wow. This is Earth calling - try William Benjamin, Richard Allen, Alan White, Billy Cobham, Mike Portnoy, Danny Carrey
Guess what... two lps I have set out for my enjoyment are..

Little Village "S/T"
Bill Frisell  "Good Dog, Happy Man"

both have Jim Keltner as drummer!

Among the old guys, Charlie Watts deserves more attention.  The Stones secret ingredient was Charlie's rock-solid snare.  And one of the coolest dudes ever.

Among current drummers, one of the most interesting and imaginative is Bryan Devendorf with The National.  Often sounds like he's playing one song while the band is playing another.  Gives life to, and propels, the music, like a good drummer should.
I agree with those who seem to associate one drummer within one band, but that doesn’t showcase that drummer’s talent outside their particular band.

Having said this I think Jim Keltner should be considered as one of this generations unsung greats.

This thread has me putting on "Band of Gypsys"/Buddy Miles........as cycles2 posted.
Yes indeed... and B.J. Wilson has a style of his own, he is just something else. Thank you for the music RIP
Jon Hiseman can play anything from jazz to rock with breathtaking power and drive second to none, just listen the Colosseum albums and specially COLOSSEUM LIVE, 1971. His driving force as a band leader is something else.

Phil Collins plays just anything with great sense for nuances and rhythm, he´s technically brilliant as well, just listen to his work on early GENESIS albums. He is just sublime.

Carl Palmer is technically brilliant and very fast, he´s also very powerful and creative and never sloppy or dull. He´s still going strong, actually he is even better than in the early 70´s, as seen on many YT videos and some of those are just incredible. For example see this: https://youtu.be/VGz1yLeyS2M

And yes, Mitch Mitchell with Hendrix is magic, especially on "Ladyland"

William Bruford is the best of modern jazz/fusion drummers

Furio Chirico of Arti + Mestieri is another jazz virtuoso with huge power

And yes, Steve Gadd is brilliant indeed.
These 'best of' lists are tough and very subjective, which is why they attract so much attention on forums such as A'gon.  So many of you have terrific suggestions.
Best rock drummer doesn't mean much as rock music doesn't require a lot of drumming talent since there's not much need to play odd time signatures or complete 4-limb independence.  I appreciate drummers that have melodic fills that you remember like a great guitar riff. IMO, Mitch Mitchell had the most melodic and memorable fills I've heard and very difficult to replicate. Just listen to the catchy fills in the song, 'Wait til tomorrow', or the explosive back & forth exchanges with Jimi Hendrix on songs like 'Fire' and 'Manic Depression'.  Then there's the unbelievable solo style work near the end of 'If 6 was 9'.
Clearly Mitch's roots were jazz and not rock, which is likely the reason his pairing with Hendrix worked so well as Mitchell introduced an upbeat swing style approach that kept the music flowing.  IMO, drummers like Bonham or Baker would have failed miserably trying to keep up with Hendrix. Just listen to the quality of songs when Buddy Miles was paired with Hendrix.  Like Baker & Bonham, Miles was a great groove master, but lacked melodic feeling. What I'll never understand is that Mitchell was a terrible soloist.  He never had a theme to his solos, they just kind of meandered, which is completely opposite to his drumming style with Hendrix.
Another honorable mention is Ringo. He has to be considered as one of the all time best contributors to the band he was in.  Admittedly he lacks technical chops, but think of all the simple yet innovative & memorable drum rhythms he laid down on many Beatles songs. Brilliant.
Phil Selway of Radiohead. jazzy polyrhythmic madness. phenomenal drummer he is.
Steve Gadd, without question. Rock, Jazz, you name it. Incredible range of great performances with many many performers.
There is sizzle and there is steak...one mention of Steve Gadd, but no mentions of Bernard Purdie who can include Jeff Beck, Steely Dan, The Beatles, the Rolling Stones, etc on his resume. Spent a wonderful evening at Shanghai Jazz in NJ sitting 20 feet away from Mssr Purdie and it was one night I'll not soon forget. Honorable mention to Steve Jordan, whom we saw a month or so ago with John Mayer. Not a lead drummer like Moonie or Mitch Mitchell, but, like Ferrone, a highly nuanced percussion machine that can turn the beat inside out and back again if need be and still remain musical.
IMO to answer your question falaconquest, no he is not. There are just to many techniques/styles in drumming for one single drummer to be considered better than all the others.

And now for something completely different;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaTmgcKeiC0
Ian Paice of Deep Purple, Ginger Baker for his jazz flavored rock style. Travis Barker of Blink 182. Keith Moon, although the Who said he was great playing Who songs, but could not play anything else, I love his fills and rythm .
Of course Neil Peart.
Lots of great artists here, not to dismiss any; and I get it that some may
argue that Little Feat was not a rock band, but my guy is/was Richie 
Hayward; may he rest in peace. 
Carter Beauford....Nobody else can do what he does.   And I've seen a lot of bands.  Palmer is pretty far up on the list as well.

BTW, seems that Audiogon should arrange for discounts with AARP now that I think about it....
John Bonham's part in "Rock and Roll" is a direct cop of Earl Palmer's in Little Richard's "Keep-A-Knockin'"
Wow, that is a keen observation. But IMO, its probably a homage to that intro and Earl Palmer. After all, the song is called "Rock and Roll."

einmensch, your comment really puts this subject into perspective. And right on with your list of great jazz drummers.

Funny how these lists of great rock drummers always turns into a list of jazz drummers. But that is the natural progression in music, drummers like Simon Philips and Bill Bruford have released jazz albums. (Just to name a few).

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Steve Gadd; he can do it all.

Bobby Graham! RIP (1940-2009).

This powerhouse drummer provided the backbeat to those amazing early Kinks hits - You Really Got Me, All Day and All of the Night, I Gotta Move. Such authority, and such minimal fills - no stupid show off crap.
I love this guy. Distinctive style. Rock steady and plays with such force but totally relaxed and lightening quick. This video shows he is extremely talented. Extremely precise playing. Everything is very clean.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VeduwZtiTPk
Some good responses, but a whole lotta nonsense, too. I'm a drummer who has played rock, blues and jazz with some of the greats in each field, as well as being a published music critic and owning 60,000+ titles in my music library. Harrumph. Blues and jazz are not opposites, as one (who is probably not a drummer) mentioned. First, jazz evolved from blues. And if you can't play a blues, you really can't play jazz. Many of the greatest blues drummers (i.e. Fred Below, Francis Clay) started out as jazz drummers. As far as greatest rock drummers, yes, Ginger, Moon and Bonham qualify. Earl Palmer no question (though he was more R&B, nonetheless a brilliant player). But the list must include Charlie Watts, Mick Avory, Ringo, Jim Gordon, Clive Bunker, Buddy Miles, Jon Hiseman, Ian Paice, Mitch Mitchell, Pip Pyle, Michael Shrieve, Bruford, Scott Asheton, Robert Wyatt, Boz, Michael Giles -- and others, though Neil Peart doesn't make it. Someone mentioned Cobham as the best jazz drummer. No. Not even in the top 50. For jazz, that's Tony Williams, Elvin Jones, Art Blakey, Philly Joe Jones, Jo Jones, Ed Blackwell, Billy Higgins, Joe Chambers, Jack DeJohnette, Andrew Cyrille, Sunny Murray, Max Roach, Roy Haynes, Frank Butler, Pete LaRoca -- and Rich, Krupa are in there somewhere, as is Bellson.
Tony Williams
Ginger Baker
Elvin Jones
Charlie Watts
Clive Bunker
Thelonius Monk (if he'd chosen to play drums)
Wow, Hiromi is like Eddie Van Halen style but on the piano! What incredible talent. I would tend to classify this outside of Rock Drumming genre as is that insane demo from the genius Dave Weckl.




John Bonham's part in "Rock and Roll" is a direct cop of Earl Palmer's in Little Richard's "Keep-A-Knockin'". A comparison of the two will display why Bonham sounds so flat-footed, so leaden, to me. Earl's part absolutely bristles with kinetic energy and forward momentum. Bonham's sounds slow, almost like he's running to keep up with the music. It sounds labored and contrived, in contrast to Earl's spontaneous, creative playing. A world of difference. Perhaps it's the difference between Rock 'n' Roll (Earl, of course) and Rock (Bonham).

All great comments. As always, taste is personal. For instance, I love Bonham's snare sound (a 6.5" deep metal Ludwig shell), but hate Chad's (that high-pitched wood piccolo sound).

What constitutes over-playing is a matter of opinion. The tale I have told before bears repeating. Master guitarist Danny Gatton, after a few songs into the first gig with his new drummer, had the following exchange with him:

Danny: "You know that fancy stuff you're playing?"

drummer: "Yeah."

Danny: "Don't."

Bonham's playing absolutely works in Led Zeppelin, the same way Keith Moon's does in The Who. Neither could have played on the Aretha Franklin recordings Jerry Wexler produced in Muscle Shoals, which feature the great Roger Hawkins on drums. And Roger's playing would not be appropriate in Zeppelin or The Who. It worked awfully well in late Traffic, though. Horses for courses.

One more thing: Taste, economy, and lack of over-playing need not restrict a drummer to playing nothing more than keeping time, playing only the 2/4 backbeat and four-on-the-floor bass drum patterns. Do yourself a favor and listen to Levon Helm's playing on the first Band album, and his and Band pianist Richard Manuel's (he's a very creative, really inventive and interesting drummer) playing on the second. And for really wild, off-the-wall playing, Earl Palmer on the many early Rock 'n' Roll recordings he played on---Little Richard, for instance. He swung like mad, and had chops to die for. NOBODY played like Earl!

And this guy- Dave Weckl-a customer- and hugely respected in studio circles. I love the way he plays this one.... vibe:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6C9G-4-Kmo

I like that upfront, on-top-of-the-beat drumming. Hate that it's used in a movie soundtrack.
Check out two drumming styles - same song

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U3sMjm9Eloo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6UdZIh8_xGc

What a huge huge difference a drummer can make!

Which version really swings and makes you tap your foot or move?
@lowrider57

+1 Led Zepelin really grooved because Page is a fantastic rhythm guitarist and the drumming accented the guitar. However Bonham often alternates between bass and rhythm guitar as you go from verse to chorus and this is really innovative. Most drummers will stick to bass or rhythm guitar and lay down a continuous groove with the odd fill thrown in but NOT alternate (often radically) between both. This is what makes LZ so interesting and refreshing whereas as most rock/pop/blues gets repetive after 2 minutes. Chad Smith applies this technique too.

Ramble On is a simple but good example.

As for fills, Bonham had tremendous swing and triplet feel - he often leaves you in suspense on a fill that starts off in 1/8 note groove and then ends with a gap of 2/24 followed by an accent on a "let" and finally in a flourish of 1/24 note triplets and then goes perfectly back on the one. His drumming feels like it is always just about to fall apart - lurching here and there but then he nails the One and you are back in the groove.

Was he a show off. For sure. Apart from John Paul Jones LZ were all extravagant show offs and it was fun and enormously entertaining and still is to this day!

RHCP are the same - enormously talented over the top entertainers. Chad Smith hits so damn hard but still grooves as good as any New Orleans cat!

Perhaps a lot more music would be like his if lead guitarists weren't so controlling of drummers and demanding they take a back seat!!!!! 

Kudos to Page for allowing Bonham to simply go for it! 

Kudos to RHCP for allowing Chad to have a significant role in their sound.