"Mr.Gilmore obviously has smoked too much pakalolo, if he thinks anyone would pay $19K for these plug ugly kitchen counter tops."
I'm sure he will sell plenty of them. They are sure to be a great addition to the lofty collections of well pursed collectors. IMO, Corian seems like an ideal material to utilize in this application, and I look forward to checking them out. They might even spank the big VMPS hybrids for sheer dynamic-razor-embalism overkill. I hope so! But please spare us the psudo-tech descriptions of passive components. I'm still laughing. |
Ok folks, I HAVE FINALLY heard these speakers in person.
I was invited over to Mark Gilmore's house when I went to visit relatives.
I was able to hear both the Model 2 and 3 speakers. We listened to the Model 3 speakers extensively because the Model 2 speakers were a bit too big for the room we were listening in.
Anyway... Let's forget about all the white paper BS specifications on these speakers for a moment. White paper has never told me anything about how something sounds. I have to hear a piece of gear before I can make a judgement on the sound.
And how do I think they sound???
On axis these speakers are possibly the finest speakers I have ever heard. What do these speakers do that makes them this good?
- They are amazingly coherent from top to bottom. I could NOT hear their crossover point.
- They are the most dynamic planer speaker I have ever heard. And most box speakers do not even come close to competing dynamically as well.
- The bottom end of these speakers is mind blowing. They go so deep with minimal distortion.
- This speaker has probably the least amount of distortion that I have EVER heard from ANY speaker. Listening to these speakers is like listening to the finest headphones EVER made but on a huge scale.
- This minimal distortion enables detail to just ooze from this speaker. These speakers are like windows to the music you are listening to.
- These speakers are perhaps the fastest speakers I have ever heard. Their speed from top to bottom is insanely good.
Is there anything negative I can say about these speakers?
- These speakers are designed to be listened to from a designated listening position (on axis). If you are NOT on axis BUT you are still ear level with the drivers of the speakers, the sound they project is GOOD but not great. And if your ear is above the drivers of the speaker, the sound these speakers project declies quite quickly. Thus, if you want to hear these speakers in all of their glory, you must listen from an on axis optimal listening position.
This is the only quibble I have with these speakers.
Anyway, I planned on only being at Gilmore's house for two hours or so, and I ended up staying around seven hours. We ended up spinning a ton of vinyl (YEE HA!!!!! and only a little digital) I would have stayed as long as I could, but I had to pick my mother up at the airport.
I STRONGLY RECOMMEND EVERYONE GOING TO CES DROP BY AND HEAR THESE GILMORE SPEAKERS IN ACTION. IF YOU CAN AFFORD THEM (YEP, THEY NOT BE CHEAP), THESE SPEAKERS COULD BE THE LAST SPEAKERS YOU BUY FOR A LONG TIME. I kid you not... These are my favorite non box speakers by a WIDE MARGIN. THree years ago I sold my Maggies because I could NOT get dynamic sound like this from them... My favorite box speaker is the Vandersteen 5A speakers. For me to determine which I like better, I will need to hear them back to back in a reference system. Maybe one day....
Email me if you have any questions.
KF |
If my data is correct, there will be a demonstration at CES that should put some of this to rest. One of the most recorded bass players (ever) will be playing live through these as part of the show demo, showing what they are capable of. Abraham said these were superior at reproducing his instrument of any set up he had ever heard, including commercial / studio gear. In addition, home music performance with LP produced sound closest to live of any home audio system he has ever heard. Link to this bass player follows, heÂ’s recorded with everyone from Ella Fitzgerald and Johnny Mathis to Gary Burton, Les McCann, Gary Burton and Freddie Hubbard. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDMISS70312300302041549&sql=R95904#APPEARAs already stated, I will reserve comments until I audition them. Audiogon has tentatively contracted me (as with HE 2003) to cover CES, posting images of all the happenings. I plan on covering this artist as well as the Golden Ear award going to a deserving audio manufacturer who is a dear friend. |
Kevin, what you report is quite tantalizing, even if the manufacturer has optimized everything to show off his product in the best possible light (and why wouldn't he), and especially considering that you were listening primarily to the second-tier model. Without any comparison demos of other speakers, in an unknown reference system, of course the results must be taken as preliminary, but they are suggestive. All speakers have tradeoffs and strengths and weaknesses (including the restrictive set-up requirements for large panels), but if these are even close to as good as you seem to have come away thinking they are, I guess Mr. Gilmore will have no trouble getting his asking price for them - too bad that'll still be too rich for my blood if they are. But then at least he might be able to dispense with paying for that model...
One thing though: Are you planning on becoming a dealer? |
The sonic attributes that were described match those from a well-designed dipole. Before anyone plunks down the $19K I'd suggest trying to have a listen to the Linkwitz Orion speakers (www.linkwitzlab.com). The reviews there match the one above rather closely. The variation I built made my sell my Wilsons very qickly.
They also don't have the beaming problem described due to the limited vertical dispersion of the ribbon. |
Zaikesman, my name is Keith not Kevin (Kevin is my brother in law, heh heh).
Putting the system aside I heard the Gilmore Speakers in, I can say with confidence that I have NEVER heard any speakers sound like the Gilmore speakers driven by ANY electronics.
I have never heard any system sound that I have been more impressed with (on axis) than the system at Gilmore's house. His electronics are very, very good; however, they are not what I would call insanely priced statement pieces. The system was composed of some speaker cables of his own design, two 60wpc Atmasphere OTL monoblocks that were an older Atmasphere chassis, XLR IC that is Gilmore's design, an Atmasphere preamplifier. The front ends we were using was a turntable that I was not familiar with, but it had a Van Den Hul Frog cartridge which I am familiar with. The digital we were using is a product I am working on developing. So far it competes with digital upwards of $20k+ (my target retail price is $3k or so, it will be able to function as a transport, DAC, and preamplifier). I like it better than my reference digital that I have used in the past. I do have a lot of experience with Atmasphere amps (one of my best local audio friends has a pair).
Anyway electronics aside, the Gilmore speakers can be looked at actually as a value. How can they be a value at $12.5k or so retail?
- You do not need an extremely powerful amp to drive them. This can save you a lot of money on an amp.
- No subwoofer needed. This can save you some bucks.
- No aftermarket stands required to get amazing sound. Many speakers require some sort of aftermarket stand to get acceptable performance.
- Shipping price on these speakers should not be too bad. They sure cost less to ship than say a pair of VR-7 speakers.
All of the above taken into account could cut the price of these speakers by about $1000 to upwards of $10k+ depending on any number of variables.
I'll give you an example. Take the Maggie 3.6's. Their base price is around $4k. Add a nice subwoofer for $2k. Add some nice stands for $300 or so. Sink $4k more (than you would spend on an amp for the Gilmore speakers) into nice powerful 600wpc solid state monoblock amps. Total price for this setup: $10.3k. Yeah, this is still about $2k less expensive than Gilmore's Model 3; HOWEVER, you are still going to get sound that only approaches the Gilmore speakers stock. Frankly, IMHO there would be no comparison. I had Maggies for many years, and they sound undynamic and slow compared to the Gilmore speakers. And I do not care what gear you have the Maggies hooked up to. I have heard them driven by $200k reference systems that were DESIGNED for the sole purpose of getting every ouce of performance from them. Still there is not a lot of comparison between that sound and the sound I experienced at Gilmore's house. One more thing... Integrating any sub seemlessly with the Maggie 3.6's is next to impossible. It can be done well... but seemelessly: no way in heck. Even totally rewiring your Maggies and getting a nice external active crossover will not put you in the realm of the Gilmore speakers.
Ok I am starting to sound like an infomercial.
My point is that the first time I heard about these Gilmore speakers, I thought yadda yadda yadda another speaker coming down the pike whose hype is TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.
After hearing thse speakers in person, I can safely say their really is not much hype. Fact: yes; hype: nope.
If you like listening on axis, these speakers will probably make your jaw drop. If you like listening in other positions (off axis vertical and/or horizontal), you should audition these speakers first because I think their performance falls off quite a bit off axis. This though is not abnormal thing with many speakers. That is the worst thing I can say about these Gimore speakers.
KF |
Sorry Keith (I actually was going back and forth between Keith and Kevin in my mind and thought I remembered right, but I guess I should've just stuck with "KF"). You can call me Alan, Eric, or Alec, which seem to be the most popular corruptions of Alex :-) But, you still haven't addressed whether you're lining up to become a dealer... |
"I'm sure he will sell plenty of them."
Andy- Mahalo for quoting from my two month old post, but I think you're wrong. Unless Gilmore lowers ther price, he'll be gone in a year.
You've have hit on Mr.Gilmore's key target market, the owners of VMPS hybrids. The price of admission to VMPS hybrids is under $5K. The promising new RM30s towers are $3.5K. How many of these big box folks will pony up $7K-$10K more for the kitchen counter tops? |
FWIW Abraham Laboriel is the REAL DEAL! His work on Larry Carlton's "Fingerprints" is excellent. If you haven't heard that CD I highly recommend it.
These may be great speakers, but they have two huge strikes against them IMO.
#1. They are an aesthetic nightmare. The WAF will be 0% on these puppies, especially if they are going into a living room or den.
#2. Price! They are WAY TOO HIGH for just entering the market. If Gilmore was that smart he'd sell them for just over cost - gain acceptance and a following and then slowly increase the price. $19K for kitchen countertops with holes ain't going to cut it for anyone who cares about room decor. |
Tok20000 has me salivating over the potential of these babies. Ok CES attendees. Give us some words on your first impressions. Please |
I heard them in two rooms at CES. Unfortunately, I had not seen this
thread or I would have given them a more serious audition (on-axis).
Their size and appearance make them something I would never own, so I
only listened briefly. I did not care for what I heard. Not my kind of
sound, I guess. And I heard a fair bit at the show that I liked.
I did not hear the electric bass demon, but what does playing an electric
bass through a pair or speakers tell me about their performance as
home stereo speakers? I suppose it demonstrates how loudlly they will
play and how low they will go, but besides that, it seems entirely
irrelevant. |
I respect Keith and his ears. I have tried numerous products and suggestions of his and each time i was pleased . That the Gilmore sounded incredible in a properly controlled home enviroment and less than stellar at the show is quite frankly no surprise. Even showrooms can be just as much of a problem. A recent personal example is when I auditioned the Aerial 20 t. At the showroom there was a problem with the bass response that was room dependent . I brought them home and not only was the bass response lightning quick but the transparency and high frequency extension was far superior. I trust Keith and will check them out for myself .The ad is without question over the top .It is by design to stir debate and interest . The fact it is drawing so much debate is in and of itself proof that it has caught the eye of many . Questioning the marketing tactics of a company is everyones right of course but face it , its got little to do with whether you should like the product itself. It is not a subtle ad and was not designed to be. It is a bold ad for a bold speaker. I am just happy that they had the guts to come to market with so much competition in the past year { WP7 , Aerial 20t , Talon Firebird , Vandy 5a ect } , and in a time when margins are low and dollars tight. Bravo Gilmore. |
brainwater:
"low margins" ?!?
not a chance in hell w/ those speakers. by the looks of it, maybe $3k worth of materials. or, just a little less in materials than a WP7.
keeping it real,
rhyno |
More pictures of the Gilmore's best feature:
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/theexpo2004/showgirls4.htm |
This highlights the whole problem with Airfoil going under. They didn't hire a sex worker for PR. |
Rhyno , if you have some insider info on the actual costs associated with the Gilmore as well as the Wilson wp7 that you would like to share with us , I am sure everyone would be interested. I would love to see the reaction by David Wilson and Mark Gilmore to your keen assessment of their speakers worth. My comment on low margins was not specific to the Gilmore itself but rather to the economy and business in general in the past couple of years. Health costs , the stock market ect have caused a strain on most every form of commerce in America if not the world . Apologies for not communicating that more effectively and being more " real " for you. |
Guys,
I am gonna say straight that I am VERY ill.
I got back from CES last night, and I may be rambling a bit.
I hung around the Gilmore rooms a lot. Right off the bat, I would say they had the room with the Model 3 speakers with the M-1 amps sounding best. ESPECIALLY when they raised the Model 3 speakers up 1'. To listen to those speakers properly, you have to be at a lower listening position than the stock chairs that came with the room, OR rasier the speakers up a bit (which they did on Sunday).
The speakers in the Model 2 room sounded good, but not as good as the model 3 room (see above). I have some theories why they did not sound quite as good (mainly room interactions, and a bit of placement). However, when Abraham came and played his basses... OMG!!! The trip was worth that 10 minute mini concert. I have NEVER heard bass amplified and played back that well. And I was off axis listening. The man is a God among basists, and I was blown away. When he flipped to his 5 string bass (I think it had 5 strings), all I can tell you is that even off axis, I'd SWEAR that the sound of his bass seemingly sounded UNAMPLIFIED and coming directly from his bass.
You gotta listen to these speakers on axis to really hear what they can do.
No other speaker at CES or The Show even began to exite me as much as these Gilmore speakers.
Well must go see a doctor... am very ill.
KF |
Hope you feel better, Keith. When you get your Gilmores, can I come down for a listen? --Dan |
Well, folks I am back... (after a four day hospital stay).
All I can say is that I went to the best hospital in the region... And if this was the best in the area, I REALLY feel sorry for folks who have the misfortune of going to the other hospitals.
I wish I could say I were better, but the condition I was diagnosed with is a life long sort of thing...
As sick as I was in Vegas at CES, I still had quite a good time.
KF |
Sorry to hear this, Keith. |
I hope you at least feel somewhat better Keith (and that you can find a facility for any continuing treatment that suits you better too). Best wishes fighting your illness. |
The planar woofers in theses speakers look very similar to the Dynavox SW-1220FL. Go to http://www.dynavox.com/, Products Speakers, 12". They, along with the WP-1220, are the closest I've seen to the original Carver Amazing woofers as far as specs go. Has anybody tried these drivers in their Amazings? |
Hello Brentslone,
Yes, from the picture, this True-tone replica looks like our Gilmore Audio driver (the dynavox may actually still be made by True-tone). But if you had the two to compare side-by-side you would see quite a difference physically, which translates into dramatic performance differences.
Our aluminized surface is made from a totally different material that is much thicker, yet the overall mass of our driver is considerably less -- thus it is much more responsive with much less distortion (about an order of magnitude less -- it can take 10dB more power before achieving same distortion level).
Our frame is die cast -- theirs is stamped. Ours is essentially non-resonant -- there's rings like a bell.
Magnet structure, venting, heat sinks are in a totally different realm. Our woofers don't get hot when they are pushed. In fact, there is almost no obvious increase in temperature, thus performance parameters stay constant.
Again, we make our own (as we do the ribbons) and they are the result of years of development. They have much less distortion and are much more responsive than any woofer we know of; they can take incredible amounts of power and remain cool as a cucumber; they go lower (about 5Hz lower). So they play louder and with much more authority, have much lower mass so they respond much quicker, have much less resonance so they play much cleaner, and as a result of both of these have much less distortion. And they go lower. Other than that, they are the same.
The Carver legacy was a starting point and a fine one. Mark was able to understand the potential in that design -- a potential that was yet to be realized . The Gilmore Audio speakers represent a dramatic improvement in every performance parameter -- Dramatic! In this sense, the Amazings are a very distant cousin. Every component needed to be redesigned in order for these improvements to be achieved -- stand, panel, drivers, cross-over. These were not simply upgrades and tweaks -- these were major redesign initiatives. The result --the best home audio speaker that ever was in our opinion. They will be ready for shipment to end- users by the beginning of April and will be in the Glacier Showrooms and affiliated dealerships around the country just before then. So soon you will have a chance to hear them firsthand and judge for yourself. |
"The result the best home audio speaker that ever was in our opinion" have one comment but can't type it because I'm still ROFLMAO |
mejames, agreed.
sellerwithintegrity? WTF? you are such an unabashed promoter that IMO you should always and immediately insert the caveat that you sell whatever you promote. you have no credibility here---which is why you have the "withintegrity" moniker...anyone who's been around long enough knows that someone who ardently claims to be something enough..probably isn't...
brainwater: i finally caught your earlier post: typical markup in hi-fi is 5x over COG (as noted in Sterophile). so, using that metric, WP7s cost 4.5k in materials to make--and lets not forget wilson's name cache & outstanding dealer network/support---that is part of the markup's benefit. gilmore---no comparison---i'd bet its markup is more like 7x, and his dealer network and brand cache cannot compare to wilsons. source the drivers, the corian, and the parts for the x-over...you want to tell me that's 7.5k or so (i.e. 2x markup)? no chance---figure 2-3k cost, 5-7x markup.
keeping it real.
rhyno |
keeping it real, good idea. for starters, let's look at sellerwithanattitude's statement "Again, we make our own (as we do the ribbons)" last time i heard, Fernando Mack makes the ribbons. "we"? i see carveraudio.com has some interesting comments from people who've dealt with Fernando. maybe this time will be different, let's hope so.
the dates seem to be slipping. what happened? it was gonna be november and now it's late march for their dealers and april for customers, just in time for people to forget about audio till the fall. |
Before judging these speakers off of aesthetics or rumors or innuendo, you really need to hear them.
Not only hear them, but spend a little time with them. I told a few people to listen to this speaker at CES. Unfortunately, a several of them walked into the room, may have listened for 5-10 minutes of the material playing, then walked out. They ended up not having the greatest impression of these speakers. I know listening conditions at shows are generally not optimal; unfortunateley many people at shows (and sometimes I fall into this trap) do not give eqipment a fair chance to show how it can perform.
Thus, if you really want to judge these speakers, the Gilmore's will be available at home showrooms for demonstrations in the near future. Home showrooms are almost invaribly better than Show conditions.
I have heard the Gimore speakers (model 2 and 3) in several differently configured systems. And after every time I hear them, it pains me to go back and listen to my home reference system. The Gilmore speakers are so much better than my Vienna Accoustic Mahler speakers, it is not even funny. I am talking not even the same sport much less league.
The price tag of the Gilmore speakers I will admit is pretty hefty. Not everyone can afford to plop down $14k-$20k on speakers. However, even at these price points, I think the Gilmore speakers are the best I have ever heard (by a pretty good margin).
The other way one could look at justifying this speaker price is to look long term. If you buy speakers for say $10k either new or used AND you turn those over (sell those) speakers every two years your depretiation will be somwhere around 3k-7k every time you sell. If bought used it will probably lean towards the $3k value. If bought new it will probably be closer to $7k. Let's take an average of $5k or $2.5k a year you effectively pay to have speakers. Going this rout, in less than 6 years you have spent the money in depretiation that could have bought you some Gimore Model 3 speakers (around $15k). And in those 6 years, you have listened to speakers that are vastly inferior to the Gilmores. No $10k speaker touches the Gilmore's IMHO. And take into effect, I think the Gilmore speakers can easilly last me 10 years. Maybe at 10 years, there will be something better... Maybe another Gilmore speaker. After 10 years I will have spent $19.5k on the Gilmore speaker. And I would still have a speaker that shold be easilly worth $7k+ on the used market. Thus I would have spent about $12.5k for 10 years of listening bliss (or 1.25k a year). If I changed $10k speakers every two years for 10 years I'd have sunk about $25k into speakers during that time, and I would have ended up with a speaker that is worth for $3k-$5k (call it $4k). Thus, I would have sunk about $21k into listening to a different $10k speaker every 2 years. Thus, the cost of Gilmore model 2 ownership over 10 years is about 50% of what it costs to own a different $10k speaker every 2 years.
Anyway my main points are:
1 - Please give the Gilmore speakers a chance if you are interested in hearing a speaker which IMHO is simply AMAZING.
2 - If interested, schedule an appointment with a home demonstrator, and you will not be disappointed. Heck, even if you do not necessarilly want to BUY the speakers now or even in the near future, it would be good for more people to hear these speakers. (Sometimes I think I am the only one that hears something as GREAT or AMAZING sonically; however, invaribly I am vindicated by others who hear as I do).
3 - Sometimes you have to pay a bit more up front for quality. However, if you keep the item of quality for an extended period of time (because it is much superior to it's peers), you will find that the actual cost of the quality item is less than you think (on an annual basis).
4 - If my above numbers do not fit for your situation, run the numbers for your speaker habbits. Maybe you only turn over speakers every 3 years? Maybe you turn speakers over ever year? Run the numbers and BE HONEST with yourself on how much you spend and how much speakers depreciate (big speakers tend to have the worst depretiation short of high end digital). The typical audiophile does not do long term number's analysis IMHO because the numbers can be just too depressing. I know I have lost untold thousands and thousands and even tens of thousands of dollars on audio experimentation. If I had gotten what I really loved with the first purchase (even at full retail price), I'd be far ahead (financially) of what I am today.
KF
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Keith, I find it difficult to imagine a post like the preceding being written by anyone having no stake in the product in question. I can't recall ever having read so expansive a hypothetical analysis advocating a particular product written on Audiogon by anybody merely offering their independent opinion (however objective or subjective) about gear they simply have had positive personal experience with. Not a pejorative implication, but just an impartial observation from one not inclined to drink much Kool-Aid... |
Perhaps one of THE home dealers?
I suspect I am OFF the list of possible as I failed to fall in line at CES with glowing compliments. One must not question any part of the plan. You must be a "yes" man with enthusiasm to be part of the chosen few.
My conservative nature and desire to look before I leap simply doesn't cut it in this case. My problem is, I must believe completely in something before I sell it to a stranger.
My first job in the sound business was a sales job at the high end store I bought my first system from.
If the customer ask for a specific product that was really right for the rest of their system, I would encourage them to wait, come back in and pick it up when our next shipment came in.
My boss got so mad at me for not taking their money (selling what was in stock, right or wrong), that one afternoon he sat me down, pointed his finger in my face and said: "Leave your Gxxx damn conscience at home, your here to sell."
If I had learned from that lesson, I would have become a more successful salesman, at least from the standpoint of money.
Problem would be living with myself, trying to remember what the "truth" was for that day and watching the passion, magic and fun destroyed. |
Keith, are you still writing for StereoTimes? I hope not. |
Yo Albert, I think we had the same boss. |
One thing about 'home dealers' - they may not always have much to comparitively audition in the way of competing product alternatives...
(BTW Keith, I've heard the Mahlers...none too shabby a benchmark...) |
Truthfully folks, I have been unemployed for nearly a year now, and the job market in my field is so bad (wireless telecommunications) that I am probably going to get into the audio industry as a manufacturer and as a dealer to earn an income. I will oficially leave reviewing before I sell my first product. Nothing is set in stone yet.
My advice about the Gilmore speakers really goes for just about ANYTHING. I have always belived that buying items that will last a long time (and spending a bit more $$$) is the best policy. A person just needs to do a cost of ownership analysis. Most people do not have this foresight. Heck, I have fallen into the trap to impulse and bad decisions many times in the past.
In the realm of audio, I think people should try to keep their minds and ears open. Judging a product solely based on gossip and/or reviews and/or a brief listen in showroom conditions is jumping to conclusions. Gossip should never be trusted. Reviews may be a little better than gossip; however, I have been a professional review, I know and have met many professional reviewers, and frankly, I do not trust most of them further than my 5' 3" wife could throw any of them. Take reviews with a grain of salt (even mine, heh heh). Show conditions suck in general. I have heard very few showrooms that I liked better than my home system setup. After I get back from a show, I tend to listen to my system and develop a newly re-found appreciation for it.
I will readily admit that I am a friend of Mark Gilmore. This does not mean I am biased towards him or his products. I have several friends that are audio reviewers that I personally think have no ear for music and could not match a system if their life depended on it. Mark Gilmore on the other hand, really does know his stuff. Gilmore speakers were not designed in a garage by an audio tweaker who tweaked an existing product (say Carver's speaker) until it sounded right/much better. Gilmore designed and tested the speakers using Computer Aided Design and Computer aided Manufacturing technology. Thus, the speakers were first designed and built virtually with computer software using hard math and science. The math said these speakers worked before they even had a prototype built.
Gilmore has been working on these speakers for a long, long time (more like 15 years than 15 months). I have heard a lot of speaker systems. Most I do not particularly care for. I would honestly take a pair of the Gilmore speakers (even the small model 3) over any speakers I have heard EVER. You just have to hear them in a home audio system to appreciate them to the fullest.
Albert Porter - It is my understanding that your problem with the Gilmore speaker is one of aesthetics. I can understand this. As the old saying goes: There is no accounting for taste. The look of the Gilmore's does not phase me in the least. My primary concern is the sound quality of a component. Aesthetics are nice... but in the end, I want the best sound possible. I do think that the color of the Gilmore speakers really does matter a lot depending on the color scheme of your listening room. I do like some of the upgraded solid colors a lot (the darker the better).
Zaikesman - I do like the Mahlers. But as good as my system sounds with the Mahlers (my Mahlers may be some of the best sounding ones in the US), I think the Gilmore speakers are leaps and bounds better.
Must run.
KF
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Yes there is a big problem with aesthetics. Certainly not with the inventor Mark Gilmore.
I like Mark very much. We've spent countless hours on the phone together over the last few years, we elected to do part of CES 2003 and 2004 together including going out to dinner together both years. 2003 show the speakers were not even known to me, I was enjoying his company and discussing his involvement with SLOG (Sound Lab Owners Group)
I have not ruled out the Gilmore's, I am very frustrated with how things have evolved. I wish the negotiations and decisions were between Mark and I. |
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Whatever happened to this speaker? Big news splash with sexy models and all. Are they even still in business? |
Hello. Gilmore Audio is alive and well. We have just introduced our new Digital Amps (250 Watt per channel Ravens and 500 watt per channel Raptors) and have a fabulous preamp on the way. Rev 3 ribbon is in final stages of development and will be an improvement over what is already remarkable performance.
We have reduced prices and adopted a direct to the customer strategy. That is one of the reasons we are not doing traditional advertising as much. We still have a number of sites around the country where you can hear our systems with three home theatre applications along with our strategic partner Theta Dgital.
Web site is updated regularly (www.glacieraudio.com or www.gilmoreaudio.com) . Any questions please call 406-257-0145 |
