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Frustrated with Vinly
Hey All,
Just coming here to let out out my frustration with Vinyl. I know that Vinyl takes patience but it's frustrating when playing some of my newer records and they have noises that I do not want to hear. Meaning, I try to clean them and they still have noise (pops, crackles, etc). When playing at low volumes of course you do not hear as much but when I turn up the volume is when it gets irritating.
I can understand if older vinyl would sound like this but these are my newer records that I bought (amazon or barnes and nobles).
Now, I know the products that I am using are probably not great in the first place and I will probably need to upgrade to some more serious cleaner).
Currently trying to use a combo of: Kaiu Vinyl record cleaning set and I have also tried the Audio Technica AT6012 Record Care Kit.
So now I am considering either a Spin Clean type system or Pro-Ject VC-S2 ALU Type cleaning system.
Any suggestions?
I almost want to give up on Vinyl sometimes and stick to digital (cd, hi res files, qobuz streaming).
Current equipment: denon dp-300f w/2m blue cart.
Thanks
Jay
Just coming here to let out out my frustration with Vinyl. I know that Vinyl takes patience but it's frustrating when playing some of my newer records and they have noises that I do not want to hear. Meaning, I try to clean them and they still have noise (pops, crackles, etc). When playing at low volumes of course you do not hear as much but when I turn up the volume is when it gets irritating.
I can understand if older vinyl would sound like this but these are my newer records that I bought (amazon or barnes and nobles).
Now, I know the products that I am using are probably not great in the first place and I will probably need to upgrade to some more serious cleaner).
Currently trying to use a combo of: Kaiu Vinyl record cleaning set and I have also tried the Audio Technica AT6012 Record Care Kit.
So now I am considering either a Spin Clean type system or Pro-Ject VC-S2 ALU Type cleaning system.
Any suggestions?
I almost want to give up on Vinyl sometimes and stick to digital (cd, hi res files, qobuz streaming).
Current equipment: denon dp-300f w/2m blue cart.
Thanks
Jay
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@averyclark My TT setup is probably Mid-FI -(1200gr/ATvm540ML/Elac PPA-2 Phono) at best.I have that cartridge. It's pretty good. I bought it as a reference point to judge my three $800-$1750 (used) Deccas. Suffice to say, and I was pleasantly surprised, the Deccas were far better. My point is that you can't (respectively) judge the medium from your perspective. |
I've got a Nitty Gritty shelved. Too much work scrubbing and sucking. For the cost of a vacuum cleaner, Park's Puffin's SQ sounds quieter with the Magic firmware. You can even still use your Herron first if that's your thing. As it was explained to us, new records have microscopic residual release oils in the grooves. If you don't clean them ULTRASONICALLY before first play, the stylus will make permanent sonic damage. Unscrubable. If you require surface silence you'll have to pony up for the Sweet Vinyl SC-1 MINI. Or stay digital. I'm pretty happy with Shannon Parks myself. At least for my LPs that aren't available in any other HQ format. text ... |
The vinyl experience has been quite a learning curve and is indeed frustrating. A couple of years ago I purchased a Rega Planar 3 turntable and found that my digital sources sounded better. My power supply was part of the problem and so a power conditioner and an electrician installing an isolated line made an amazing difference at a cost of close to $2000. My speakers Audio Physic Step Plus, amp and integrated Line Magnetic 216A. I got a lot of enjoyment from this system, but started to crave more. As I have gone further down the rabbit hole in search of better sound, specifically more power from drums, I upgraded my turntable to a Music Hall 9.3, added a new phono stage, a Lehmann black cube, went for a moving coil cartridge. Ortofon MC Quintet Black S, into a Rogue PreAmp and the sticking point, a used amplifier with more power, an Adcom GFA 555. Yeah, I know it's old. After installation I had a couple of great weeks, but at some point noticed a fuzziness in the bass. Muddled and distorted. At first it sounded like I had something on my stylus, cleaned it with a brush and continued on. I do listen to some older recordings purchased from the resurgence of new/old record stores and so, maybe the recordings weren't too good or were dirty even though one shop does a lot of ultrasonic cleaning. I have an Okki Nokki that seems to help. So, I went through the back and forth of connecting back and forth from the Line Magnetic and Adcom, finding that the LM sounded better. Also in the loop is a JL Audio sub that is connected to the Adcom. To eliminate its influence I have turned it off during the comparison process. I contacted the person that set up the turntable for me, took a couple of pictures of the stylus that weren't so good and when my installer said to take a picture from the side of the stylus, after enlarging it with a jewelers loupe, there I saw the tiniest little piece of dust lodged to the stylus. By now I had ordered a Onzow Zerodust and between that and a brushing, got the little bugger. Problem solved, or so I thought. A week or so later, the fuzziness returned, and I have become obsessive about a clean stylus. So, a question to the forum would be...are some styli more susceptible to picking up dirt and dust? Also, to my limited knowledge, is it possible to replace a moving coil stylus? This is driving me crazy as, once again, my digital sources are sounding better than my "vinly", and my digital sources aren't necessarily that great. I'm not anxious to get a new amp only to find the problem persists. To me it seems to be in the turntable. Will check its alignment once again, but I don't think it's out of whack. To sum up my experience with vinyl, I have spent a good amount on power, isolation (table and rack), record cleaning machine, and the latest phase, stylus cleaning (cheapest of the lot). When it's good, it's great, but oh, what a commitment. Frustrating is the word. |
CLEAN, QUIET LP’s (inexpensive manual method) I’m loving how quiet my dirty old lp’s sound. Your problem helped me out, I now have a very successful inexpensive manual cleaning method. I am getting essentially no noise out of old dirty static filled lps. I just cleaned a few NEW lp’s, to check, no noise, so goodbye mold compounds, .. If you get noise after this, something else is wrong! ...................... Listen to some music while doing this of course. Wear thin plastic gloves to protect your hands and block finger oil 1. plastic sheet to protect the table below. smooth white, so you can see any/every speck. kitchen garbage bag, or, thin plastic table cloths from the party store, something. 2. lay lp flat 3. cover lp paper label with plastic lid diameter of label, i.e. chinese soup take-out lid. 4. spray cleaning fluid on lp (my home-made mix below) 5. CRITICAL: scrub fairly aggressively: circular, back and forth a few times, with soft multi bristle brush (pre-wet with cleaning fluid for 1st lp) try an lp you don’t care about, you will find you can be more aggressive than you think. this is what really cleans deep into the grooves. 6. flip, clean other side: place carefully so paper label goes down onto dry area of plastic 7. rinse in distilled water in the record cleaning kit. CRITICAL: Distilled Water ONLY!!! spin 2x each direction, it has fine brushes for final cleaning while rinsing. 8. use the two included cloths to handle/pre-dry the lp, and put in the included drying rack. note: dry the center area of the plastic sheet where the paper label goes frequently with a separate cloth. dump distilled water after each batch of ten. rinse everything and dry between batches. ................................ Equipment 1. record cleaning kit with drying rack for 10 lps, $58. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GSSQ1MN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 2. distilled water, $1.00 per gallon (check online for stock before going to the store) https://grocery.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Distilled-Water-1-Gallon/10315382?wmlspartner=wlpa&se... 3. alcohol, 91%, $3.00 https://www.target.com/p/isopropyl-alcohol-91-32oz-up-up-8482/-/A-13970972?ref=tgt_adv_XS000000&... 4. wetting agent. $4.00 I use Finish, Jet Dry (dishwasher stuff) https://www.amazon.com/Finish-Jet-Dry-8-45oz-Dishwasher-Drying/dp/B0014E82II/ref=asc_df_B0014E82II/?... 5. soft multi-bristle brush, I found one in a drawer, but here’s a 3 pack, $9.00 https://smile.amazon.com/Scalp-Scrubbie-Sterile-Cradle-Sponge/dp/B005EJ7YH4/ref=sr_1_154_sspa?ascsub...= .............................. my mix, nothing scientific, a small 6 oz spray bottle (8oz, 10, doesn’t matter) 1. a few drops of wetting agent 2. 1 cap of condensed cleaning fluid that came with the kit 3. fill with alcohol. you may think it’s a pretty strong alcohol mix, but you will be rinsing right away, and, you will find, even that strong, finger oil spots will be very reduced but not fully disappear. I’m loving how quiet my dirty old lp’s sound. ................................... CLEAN STYLUS! Leave a small mirror on TT under your headshell, so you can see if the stylus is clean. Clean the stylus during if needed, and always after every listening session. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DI8I2JM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 my friend uses gel stuff, loves it https://coloredvinylrecords.com/blog/best-gel-type-stylus-cleaners/ ............................ Still use Anti-Static brush before each play, DRY, just a light touch needed to get any paper sleeve dust, airborne dust. |
Nope, I have no desire to do 8-tracks again :-D, hell, I don’t even have an 8-track tape anymore. I think most got eaten in my car player back in the day. But I will say, although very inconsistent, some of my old cassettes sound wonderful, particularly a handful of my Modern Jazz Quartet albums I only have in cassette, and hadn’t listened to for years as I no longer had a deck. I recently picked up an old Nakamichi, so can now enjoy those as well again, and quite surprised by how good some of them sound. |
Bkeske. Great post and welcome back to the analog world! You are so right about it being a total waste of time comparing different sources. I play records, cassette tapes, reel to reel tapes, CD, DVD-A, SACD and stream Qobuz and Tidal! No not doing 8 track.... Lol. I enjoy each media for what it is and rarely sit there thinking well that sounded better than the version on XXX. Each have their plus and minus points and I leave it at that. |
So many opinions and suggestions, many good ones. My reaction to al of this; As some of you know I, over the last year, decided to dig out my old 2055 Kenwood turntable, all my albums, and decide if vinyl was something that would interest me again. Lots of issues, bad ones, and began correcting one thing at a time. Still not convinced, but intrigued enough to delve further, I purchased a very modest new TT; a Pro-Ject Carbon Debut, replaced the platter with an acrylic one, installed the Grado red cartridge I purchased for the old Kenwood, an inexpensive Schiit Mani phono stage, put the damn table in a tray of sand per millercarbon’s recommendation, but one of my most important purchases, an inexpensive record clamp. I also reinforced the floor below my equipment and TT with a couple 2x4’s to help stabilize the wood floor framing. And a Spin-Clean record cleaner. All in all, a very modest return to vinyl. Why? My CD’s with my transport or streaming through my DAC sounded fine. Why go through this? Well, because after 50 years, I came to realize that after listening over the past year that, yes, there is indeed a ‘magic’ of vinyl that is hard to explain. For well over 40 years of moving onto cassettes, CD’s, and now streaming, I saw no reason to deal with the inherent problems with vinyl again, particularly the maintenance, noise, clicks, pops, cleaning, etc. Well, I will admit, I may have been wrong. Currently I listen to mostly classical music, where the music can be extremely quiet to crescendo’s, I am very picky about noise on those albums, and it does get frustrating, but much of this I can blame on myself as I’m buying used older classical vinyl, which is a crap shoot at best. But, I’m loving it regardless. That is all correctable, it’s just a matter of how much money I’m willing spend on future albums, my set-up, and the extra care to treat this format properly. I’m in the process of cataloging all my music on Discogs; vinyl, cassettes, and CD’s. I’ve gone through all my CD’s and cassettes, and now going through all my old vinyl from the 60’s and 70’s. Well, for me and my friends in those days, we ‘partied’, didn’t take great care of our vinyl, stuff scattered around and unprotected while listening, it wasn’t something we over concerned ourselves with as that was the only real medium of its day (besides 8 track tapes). Or, I was just a little kid putting (throwing) my oldest Beatle albums on the family console stereo unit without a care. And going through all those albums is rough, as the lack care for them shows. But, the biggest take-away for me is through this whole process, regardless of its imperfections at times, is the vinyl sounds better to me. I’m not smitten with vinyl again, as it was the only real source at one time I purchased most of this music. But directly comparing to the other formats (and I do have some of the same albums on multiple formats), it’s sounds better to me even with its perceived imperfections. It just sounds ‘right’, and unless I’m willing to take huge steps cost wise to try and get rid of those imperfections completely (I would say that is impossible), I try not to compare to those other formats, and simply enjoy vinyl for what it is, and right now, I prefer it, and understand my current limitations for it to sound better. But if I had a choice between a CD and a vinyl album, I’ll likely choose the vinyl and just enjoy the music because it sounds more like music to me. |
Vinyl.....High expectations.....mostly disappointing. A fantastic mastered 24/96 or 24/192 file, imo, probably gets you the closest to what is heard in the studio monitors. I have some hi rez files that sound better than the vinyl versions. However, so much needs to be considered: 1. My TT setup is probably Mid-FI -(1200gr/ATvm540ML/Elac PPA-2 Phono) at best. 2. The digital is closer to the source. Vinyl has so many variables (vinyl quality, pressing plant practices, etc )and has many steps away from the source (cutting, stamping) 3. Plus, vinyl has its own "built in" sound characteristics that may or may not appeal to listeners. People who grew up on vinyl probably appreciates that quality more than a person who grew up digital. Much like an older movie buff probably favors the aspects of film vs the super clear, slick digital format. IMO, if you are wanting to squeeze the last bit of possible sound quality closer to the source (regardless of format), it will be much cheaper and easier to go the digital route. With vinyl, so many working pieces have to come together to get to the absolute best, top notch sound (TT, Cartridge, Phono, pressing quality, on and on). For me (growing up with records) vinyl is about the overall experience and relationship to the recording. The large album covers, the cleaning and caring of the record, etc. If I just want PUREST sound quality, I will stream Qobuz or play my hundreds of ripped SACD’s and Hi Rez downloads. Above is just my opinion.I’m sure many feel differently. |
This past Saturday I bought a sweet vinyl sugar cube mini. This unit does the job and removes most of the noise a record has. It will not take a flea market reject and turn it into an audiophile pressing but it works really well and significantly improves the vinyl listening experience. It is a little pricey but I bought it with Music Direct 12 month free financing. https://www.musicdirect.com/analog-accessories/SweetVinyl-SugarCube-SC-1-Mini |
Jay73, I have no idea why so many people who've commented know you and them and talking about apples and oranges, while they pretend that you're talking about the same thing. A very expensive high end TT, plus phono pre, and cartridge are required for the noise to music ratio to get to the point where the noise disappears. It takes long green and a lot of it. |
One scratch on CD and you’re done, you can’t remove it and your CD will stuck on one note. Awful format in 21st century when downloads is almost free and digital can be stored on hard drive (on even cloud) in high resolution files (better than 16bit CDs). The digital is definitely not about CDs, it’s about high-res files on hard drive and a proper DACs to reproduce it. Still so boring compared to original vinyl. Tapes are definitely more fun. |
@jnn Thanks for your input. CD’s are for sure awesome. In fact, last night I was listening to some Dire Strait’s Brother in Arms on SACD and it sounded great. But so far I am also enjoying LP’s even though the occasional pops/crackles are annoying, I am determined to get to a point when those become very minimal. As stated before, I have a Denon Dp-300f with the Ortofon 2M Blue and I feel it sounds pretty good overall. I can only imagine, how it will sound once I move up to a more substantial Turn Table with a good cartridge (probably going to go for a MC next time). By the way, I also listen to tapes once in a while and still have most of my audio cassettes. I swear they will make a come back one day, lol. |
Sometimes, when cost is a issue, looks are IMO far down the list of considerations. BTW, one of my MyMat customers (who is a repeat customer) has that Technics tt. He’s now enjoying two MyMats as a sandwich, with a KAB poly mat in the middle. I told him to throw away the stock rubber mat. On of the best MAT for Technics and almost any other turntable is SAEC SS-300 from the 70s/80s. The absolute best one in my opinion is gunmetal Micro Seiki CU-180 with ST-10 disc stabilizer, but this combo is very expensive and rare. Yet another great modern MAT is ($250) 47 Labs THE MAT from Sakura Systems which is the latest version of the Boston Audio Mat, so many reviews online. This is an image of perfect cartridge for Technics tonearms (Grace LEVEL II Ruby) on The Mat, i really like the surface of The Mat. It’s Graphite. |
@jay73 great news on discovery of Audio Element in Pasadena, fantastic store run by Brooks Berdan son - legendary vinly! Fanatic. also the audio club sounds great - IF you get down south Carlsbad way you are also welcome to stop by for a listen, bring some of your records and we can clean them on my $75 Nitty Gritty ( bought used ) enjoy the music!!!! |
Forgot to add AM radio from my collection of vintage AM tube radios made here in the USA. Works of art as much as anything else and indeed have an old 78rpm record player of same vintage hooked up to one of them on its phono input. Looks are quite something indeed so I truly get the ops point on looks as most of my vintage radio collection purchases were based on looks as much as performance or desirability. |
Jay, forget vinyl. When I visited NYC last year, I purchased like 20 expensive brand new 180g jazz LPs.Two of them being 45rpm LPs. When I started to listen to them....pure frustration!!!. Some of them, out of the sealed cover, already showed a few pops and clicks right away.Quite irritating and a waste of money. Listening to vinyl in this century is absolutely ridiculous. Long live the well recorded CDs !!!! By the way : I own a very good high end system, which makes listening to vinyl a real torture. Don't waste your time and money with "cleaning" devices. I have tried several "techniques". You may mitigate it, but bear in mind that noise from vinyl is non-removable !!! Good luck..That is quite some first post! lol. If you had read through this thread you would see the part of "new" albums has been covered quite extensively. And as for cleaning being a waste of time and money, obviously you are entitled to your opinions but I would try to avoid making false blanket statements. Good luck to you too and enjoy those CD,S as do I along with records, cassette tapes, reel to reel tapes, FM radio and internet streaming . |
Jay, forget vinyl. When I visited NYC last year, I purchased like 20 expensive brand new 180g jazz LPs.Two of them being 45rpm LPs. When I started to listen to them....pure frustration!!!. Some of them, out of the sealed cover, already showed a few pops and clicks right away.Quite irritating and a waste of money. Listening to vinyl in this century is absolutely ridiculous. Long live the well recorded CDs !!!! By the way : I own a very good high end system, which makes listening to vinyl a real torture. Don't waste your time and money with "cleaning" devices. I have tried several "techniques". You may mitigate it, but bear in mind that noise from vinyl is non-removable !!! Good luck.. |
I'm following this interesting thread, I have a sophisticated digital rig and sounds amazing but some source content, specifically rock tends to sound for lack of a better word out of sync, jazz, acoustic, salsa, americana, folk, vocals all good, rock and roll not so much. I thought initially it was the recordings and the recording engineers but the thing with digital is it is very sensitive to changes in power supply, filters, even software, I am constantly tweaking and got to the point I need a reference and I decided vinyl could be the way (I have spoken ;) Anyway I have a technics mk5 I think with a dl301 cartridge, would that be an acceptably rig or should I go something more modern? Like the 1200 or other manufacturer? Don't want to spend much either, I am at my limits already. Tube pre with phono stage and tube monoblocks By the way if I use the technics I need to figure out a balanced cable instead of the existing single ended, maybe I will need to change the tonearm. I know I know all cartridges are inherently balanced maybe instead of a complete tonearm just need to wire the existing one. I rather stay away from an isolation transformer for this. |
@slaw and @has2be, Thanks for your kind words! @noromance , I completely agree with you, time will tell if there really is a difference in sound quality. Another reason I picked up the Isotek was because I had really entry lever power strips and wanted to get something a little more substantial to protect the gear. |
"@jay73,. I for one really appreciate your last post (especially). You’re kind of rare in that while seeking advice and absorbing it, you’re willing to stay involved. I wish you all the best in your search." I was thinking the same thing Slaw. It shouldn't go unoticed or without kudos as rare as it is..... |
Wow, I didn't think this thread would grow so large (It's Alive!), lol. One thing is for sure, we are all quite passionate about listening to music and especially listening to LP's. Definitely something special about LP's in comparison to other formats. In many cases, it can be the center piece of your complete system, something beautiful to behold, something you interact with in such an intimate way compared to other formats. We all have our personal tastes/interests and experience when it comes to this hobby (I still consider myself a novice). But that is the great thing about it, we can all share our passion together and learn from one another. And I have already learned quite a bit from this thread and so want to thank each one of you for your contribution! I may not be able to look into or implement every suggestion but I can certainly learn from it and for that, I appreciate all the input! So, yesterday, I went to that audio store I had mentioned. Took only 3 records with me as I was not sure what to expect. Normally, you buy a cleaning solution and then clean your records but yesterday there was a gentlemen there plugging his device, the Keith Monks "Prodigy" and so was able to get my records cleaned for free yesterday. He went over all the features of this new device. The housing was made of Bamboo and it was pretty quiet. I thought it looked kind of cool. Overall, it did a pretty decent job of cleaning the records. I just listened to a couple of tracks in the store and although there were still a few clicks/pops it was pretty minute compared to before. I liked the machine but it was $995, out of my price range for a device to simply clean records. I will need to stick to something a bit more economical, at least for me. Did get to check out the Rega P6 and Mo-Fi decks, so that was cool. It's going to be a little before I actually purchase because I just purchased about a week ago, the Isotek Evo 3 Sirius Power Distribution unit and some new power cables. I have my Intergrated, CD Player, Dac, TT and phono stage now plugged into that unit. I think I hear a slight positive difference in the sound but not sure yet. Next I need to re-arrange some of my devices in my cabinet and put my current TT in the middle instead of the side (I have the TT, Integrated and CD Player on the top of the cabinet). Once I have that done, then the new TT can simply just slip in place of the Denon, eventually. Also going to get a small storage rack just for the LP's so that it can be more accessible. Right now, they are in the cabinet and a hassle to take out and put back (and yes I do store them vertically, haha). Thanks All! |
Brinkmann a German company make DD and belt, both sound super and are well engineered. The Basis belt is unique and correct AJ a brilliant engineer ( RIP ) came up w proprietary processes to ensure flatness. Tables I own: Brinkmann, SOTA, Denon, gave the Basis away as a birthday gift - fun peace people, peace ! |
Not to belabor this thread, but its my understanding that there are fundamentally 3 different turntable drives: rim drive, belt-drive and direct-drive, and there are pros and cons to each, and each has has been successfully executed. Some think the Lenco L75 rim drive is the best, http://high-endaudio.com/RC-Lenco.html. There are obvious fans of the Technics and VPI coreless motor drive drive, and then there is Basis who goes to near heroic effort to manufacture a near perfect belt https://www.basisaudio.com/revolution-belt. For my VPI TNT that uses the Avenger baseline motor and 20-lb Classics platter, I use two belts of two different materials (not sold by VPI), EDPM to get the platter spining, and Viton to stabilize speed. The two belts are the same length and durometer, but the different material elongation properties will cause different beating/hysteresis (belt going from tension off the platter, to relaxing after the motor before the platter). In "theory" this should reduce the risk of any resonance from multiple belts of the same material beating at the same frequency. So, there are many ways to effectively spin that platter. However, not a plug, but I believe that VPI is the only one to manufacture all three. But, as always, Enjoy the Music. |
IF you go the JVC-Victor Plinth route, be very cautious about an included Victor Tonearm, UA-7045 or long version UA-7082. they can be great, but, as Chackster and others alerted me/us, VERY OFTEN the rubber gasket is deteriorated and needs replacement. I took mine apart, figured it out, wrote a thread how to fix it. Fear not if you want one, but, be aware of this, don’t pay too much for one, and be handy if you want to fix it yourself. Live near me, Plainfield, NJ? I’ll fix it for you, no charge. |
LOOKS, oh yeah, important, I am an Interior Designer (Corporate Office Space). I had cool looking and performing vintage Thorens/SME, made a custom wood base for it, terrific, Found a Technics SP-15, Plastic Base, gave it to my friend. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Technics-SH-15B3-base-dust-cover-and-hinges-Technics-SP-15-and-SP25-Turntable/323741055782?hash=item4b60787b26:g:ReMAAOSwrnRaVO67 they make a nice wood base, would perk it’s look up quite a bit. https://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649580540-technics-sp15-sp25-plinth-great-shape/ but Thorens bearing transmitted vertical vibration too much. So, I’ve been compromising with Plastic Technics’s for years. Recently decided, retired, listening more, why not move up. Thought about long 12" arm. Coincidentally, MONO cartridge thread here. Learned about superb plinths made by Denon, JVC Victor. Learned about JVC Spinners TT61, 71,81, 101 (picked 81). OMG, learned about Victor Large Plinth CL-P2 big, solid, heavy, and fits two arms. Put Mono together with 2 arm wood deck, got this beauty which certainly LOOKS great while being great. https://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649563331-victor-jvc-tt-81-high-quality-quartz-lock-turntable-with-fidelity-research-tonearm/?utm_campaign=response-received&utm_source=notification&utm_medium=email Point is, Chackster can be too ..., but he is right about the vintage Denon and JVC. Budget, Dual Deck with 1 arm (use for mono), convert 1,000 CAD to USD $775. add $150 ship with insurance. Add $50. PayPal 2.9% fee to convert foreign currencies: $975. delivered, Budget: $1,000. USD Now get a nice Stereo arm of choice. I got lucky, member here, uberwaltz (thanks again) found it for me https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649571086-lustre-801-tonearm/?utm_campaign=response-received&utm_source=notification&utm_medium=email Cost: $650. offer accepted. : $700. delivered, Budget: $1,000. USD Total, delivered: $ $1,675. Budget: $2,000. Just saying, I am in love with the LOOKS as well as the performance. Giving your arm and cartridge the advantage of a solid base/plinth makes a big difference! |
I just came up with a variation to use the inexpensive manual cleaner/drying rack https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GSSQ1MN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 *** Instead of mixing a whole batch of cleaning fluid in the tub of the cleaner (only to clean a few or 1 batch of 10) *** normal use is: distilled water, 2 capfulls of their concentrated cleaner chemical, and a few drops of wetting agent (dishwasher rinse stuff) *** VARIATION using Small Spray Bottle of Pre-Mixed Cleaning Fluid *** I leave the tub empty I remove the brushes, and spray ready mixed cleaner on the brushes to get them wet and ready, and they swell to narrow the gap between them to reach the lp surface. I lay a sheet of plastic on the table I spray the lp with the pre-mix, flip it over, spray other side, in the machine with wet brushes waiting manual spin as normal pick up lp with provide eyeglass cloth, prevents finger oil dry bulk of fluid manually with provided cloth, as it's normal process into the drying rack. rinse the tub and brushes |
Chak While a lot of people can appreciate the engineering of the new Technics, not that many can stomach the looks and for some that IS very important, their are at times the better half to appease as well. Now we all get your passion for Technics and not criticising that at all but..... Once you have heard it a dozen times it starts to wear thin and get annoying. It is only facts in your opinion, nothing more my friend. Maybe a little more humility in your posting would go a long way to not alienating everybody around you? There are a LOT of users of your so called plastic 2k belt drives of all models and I am sure they are quite insulted by your remarks. Not myself as I do not own a belt drive, does not mean I intend to start bashing them in public though. And no I am not going to suggest different TT for the op as that is not what the thread was originally about and only seems to have degenerated into that. |
Chakster, First my applogies for my miss spelling of your handle, so much for my fat fingers. Otherwise, to address my opinion of the Technics 1210GR, as an engineer, I can appreciate the engineering that has been applied. But, I am no fan of it looks (I have a modified VPI TNT), and obviously neither is Jay. And that is the point. Your recommendation is one thing, but when you become so passionate as to defend it, if takes on a whole other perspective. Hopefully, we make our best recommendation to someone when they ask, but if they do not see it the same way, that is their right. We have no right to force the argument, since it it can then be precieved as an attack. All persons are entitled to their pursuit of what makes THEM happy whether we agree or not. |