Experience with Townshend Seismic Podiums on Concrete Floor (they're great)


​I have tower speakers on a concrete floor covered with carpet. Recently, I tried out the Townshend Seismic Podium (size 1)  on my Ascend Acoustics Towers (RAAL tweeter) for about 4-5 hours. Here is a brief recounting of my experience.

At first, I set up the podiums and just listened to well known tracks; next, a few days later, I used that same set of tracks to compare, A & B, the speakers on the podium vs. without the podium (but at the same height). A friend with me also compared this A/B setup. We listened to a simple jazz arrangement, a Mozart aria, a rock recording by Chesky, and a country/rock piece. All were well recorded.

The difference made by the podiums are not subtle. In general, it is as if the entire sonic presentation was brought into focus, as if a light veil or layer of dust had been wiped away. It organizes everything; it makes the parts of the whole make sense.

More specifically, these were the effects I noticed: 

Bass was slightly fuller, much cleaner and more distinct; for an electric bass, this meant that rounded notes that previously blurred in a sequence (too legato) become individual notes. String bass notes gained dimensionality and texture; the finger on the string became more real, and the resonance of the large wooden bass got fuller and richer. Rhythm sections were better able to stand out *as* rhythm sections, that is, as musicians who are working together.

As far as midrange and treble go, there was -- as with the bass -- more definition, clarity, detail. They sound more like instruments-in-the-room rather than the presence of instrument appearances. Not much about their tonal character changed, but they became more palpable and more exactly located.

That brings me to the soundstage. The width of the soundstage grew by about 10-14% — 5-7% on each side. It was remarkable. Instruments gained space, separation, and definiteness of location. They didn't sound apart or isolated but just more distinct, separated from other instruments. I imagined this as fidelity to the way the microphone recorded them or as the mixing engineer intended. 

When I ordered the podiums, I made sure to ask for the ability to return them. I was assured that I could return them if I just paid shipping. (No restocking fee.) I was skeptical and wanted an escape clause. I had watched a few videos and was curious about whether Mr. Townshend's scientific claims would translate into audible differences that would be worth the money (the podiums cost about 1/3 of my speakers' cost). 

Well, my skepticism is gone — and it disappeared rather quickly at first, and then after careful comparison. I am keeping the Townshend podiums. Are they better than Isoacoustics footers or other products? I don't know, because I have not compared them. But they're making a huge difference and, should I want to put other speakers on them, they'll fit the others I have, easily. I'm pretty sure I'll never give these up.

 

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Anyone out there wanting to hear a comparison between a so-called isolation platform versus a direct coupled platform may want to experience this video.

I have been using the Star Sound/Live Vibe racks and platforms for 20 years now. I have even installed small platforms on Audiopoints and discs inside my amplifiers under their main circuit board.  Audio Points and coupling discs under transformers secured with brass hardware not ferrous steel. Pretty cool to be able to adjust the resonance point of a component much like that of a string instrument. The new company name is Home - Live-Vibe Audio - Vibration Management Products (livevibeaudio.com)

EBM you should contact your Buds at Symposium and ask them to offer up a platform to OCD Mikey on his YouTube channel for review. If they decide to take on Townshend and especially Live Vibe wish them luck with the 3 way shoot out. The audio result of the duel in the link below was evident on a cell phone. Take a listen here as the comparative difference is abundantly clear just as it was to me 20 years ago using Sistrum Platforms or Audiopoints under Thiel CS 6s then in my workplace and under my Dunlavy SC4s in my own rig back then. Tom

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Remember when choosing or designing your own rack or platform............... Isolation can only exist in the absence of matter.

Tom

 

@wyoboy 

...their method of placing speakers directly on the floor was to put a piece of marble under the speaker--so not really sure if it's analogous to carpet on concrete--would love to see if carpeting/pad is considered a form of decoupling and they did measurements on that type of surface.

 

I agree.

There's still a lot that is unknown when it comes to loudspeaker decoupling.

I guess that anything softer/having less mass than either the speaker cabinet or the surface it's standing on must decouple to a certain extent. 

The big question is how far do you have to lower the resonant frequency between the speaker and it's supporting surface before you stop hearing improvements.

I remember hearing that you need to go below 10Hz to get the full benefit, but I'm not sure why.

In the video Credo used the idea of suspending the speaker from a bungee cord (?) as the reference with which to compare both their own decoupling method and that of Townshend Audio.

I have read many a review about the Podiums and many times they state that you can adjust the height or rake of the speakers with the outside knobs.

I don't believe this to be true. Once you release the spring the speaker will float and just find its equilibrium, or am I missing something?

ozzy

No it didnt..There is huge differemce in sound quality between the 2...Is adjustable spring tension equal to adjustable resonance tuning? Tom

Have been able to adjust pods on my Podiums and Platform independently for leveling and only issue is the Platform pods need more grip on the bottom and I’ve had to often align each one so they are perfectly vertical. 
What I have learned is that with both products maximizing the surface contact of your loudspeakers, in my case Osiris stands, to the constrained layer surface of Podium/Platform. CD player was problematic due to varying buttonhead screws on the base plate and so began with Rollerblock 2+, various cones, pads, etc.

Today after tearing system apart to apply a annual beeswax to the audio rack I replaced the 3 thin 1/8” stainless plates with 6 Rollerblock Jr. discs (without bearings) evenly under the CD player. This is the best I have been able to do to this point but May still try a set of Precision Couplers as well. The difference each change made was immediately audible and required attention. 
 

Hope this might help others and updated my system page today for those who may be curious. 

tmiddle,

Thanks for the response. Are you sure you are actually adjusting? I have moved the knob(s) up and down and all the speaker does is move with the spring; the overall level doesn't change. The weight of the speaker just re-adjusts.

ozzy

The Podiums do adjust differently than the exposed pods on the Platforms. With the Podiums you need to use the small wrench provided and turn it while holding the pod stationary. I did use a level when adjusting during installation, but it’s been some time ago. 

Ozzy did you watch and listen 2 the video I posted?  The sound on the video paints a big picture.Tom

The instructions say to move adjacent knobs in unison. How is that possible if you also have to use the wrench on the nut?

I think what is screwing me up is, no matter how I turn the knobs the bubble level I am using always show level.

But perhaps that is what the podiums are meant to do..

ozzy

theaudiotweak,

I tried to listen to it but honestly computer sound quality does not impress me. Then the guy talks through much of the video with the camera zoomed in on his face.

But thanks for the effort.

ozzy

I watched the video on my big system. Really liked what I heard. I am sure part of the reason was the podiums allowed me too. If they do that for an amp I can only imagine what they can do for a speaker. 
I checked the exhibitors list at Axpona and don’t see them there. Maybe a dealer or  someone else may be using them. 

Glad you took a listen.. I cannot hear differences  using only words. Need a recording such as OCD Mikey posted on You Tube. For years people have debated on this forum which is better..Live Vibe Direct coupling platorm method sounds much better than the Townshend product. Tom

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You can see the instructions from Townshend for the Podiums on my virtual systems page.

I received my Podiums late last week and could bump on any number of threads but this one is the most recent one I think. They actually were delivered with a very strong and unplesent smell which I can only guess was from the manufacturing process - they smelled a lot like cigerettes - but not quite. It took 2-3 applications of a ozone spray to get rid of it. Not a huge deal but mentioning because if this happens to someone else you will probalby need to use Ozone spray.

I've read almost every post on this forum over the past few months including Ozzy's review and MillerCarbon's - both, as this one were excellent. 

I can't add much to what was already written and my listening skills aren't that great yet but these were laugh out loud good when I first heard them about an hour ago. Everything from from bass to mids to mid-highs benefitted and that improvement was the definition of instruments and even vocals. I'm in shock writing this right now for the leap my system just took with these. The sound stage is a huge imrovement esp with height but in all regards. Even the instruments in the sound stage are more defined placement -wise.

I'm on tile / concrete floor btw. 

Also, John at Townshend is great to work with and price was lower than what I thoguht they would be (but still not cheap - but worth every penny IMO).

@laynes I didn't have any odor at all on mine.

I agree with you about the "laugh out loud good" assessment.

What I'm curious about now -- if anyone is still reading this -- is:

QUESTION: Do you mass load (put a weight atop your speaker) in addition to the podiums?

@laynes. So you have them under your Spatial speakers? 
My buddy has a pair of X5’s but looking at them I wondered how a podium would work because of their wide footprint. 
Glad to hear you are enjoying them.  Well worth the investment 

Hi @benzman , sorry but I forgot to update my Audiogon system in January when I sold the M3s and purchased Volti Rivals. I have updated my profile and w/ pics including the Podiums. 

Still blown away by these! My system is very, very, close to being "done" (yeah, I know).

Nice fit for your speakers. Townshend makes a great speaker cable called a Fractal F1.  Its as good as a cable as the Podiums are for vibration.