Like in a good recipe everything matters....
But some ingredients are so much important than the rest is way less important and you can live without them temporarily or for a great period of time...
Like someone ( Erik_Squires) who know something about speakers just said a couple of posts behind mine : the room acoustic is very important way more than cables... Cables matters but can wait if you have already some good one...
I will mention also that in my experience the other 2 embeddings are more impactful than even the choice of cable... Mechanical controls of vibration and the noise floor of the house and not only of the audio system...
Then dont bother with cable now, choose a not too costly good one, and think about these 3 embeddings or at least about the room acoustic...
No speakers can beat the room were they live, NONE.....
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I had M-1’s for years. Love the soundstage. I used to watch Henry Kloss upside down double stack them with 8 amps. They need appropriate power, mucho. I used a Sim W-5, 185 watts into 8 ohms, double that into 4, was barely enough because the M-1’s really didn’t come alive until pushed =loud. If that’s your bag then you need the power. As myself and others with experience have already iterated, friendly speakers that are efficient is the name of the game for many now a days. However, being that you have a pair, after all, they were a product of Canadien research, enjoy the education and pick up a quality used powerhouse amp. Give Paul Egan of Syzygy Subwoofers a call. He was intimately involved with Mirage. Most of all, enjoy the ride.
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Up to about $100 they may matter.
Above that price range, noone will be able to tell the difference.
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back in the 70's or 80's my brother in law sold stereo equipment.in those days he said that speaker wires don't matte! all these expensive speaker wires back then were to make money!!?? |
Make sure there’s a jumper between the bidding post from BLACK HF TO BLACK LF and RED HF TO RED LF |
Vintage Marantz recievers are usually only capable for 8 ohm loads, and those cheesy spring clips to hold speaker wire suck.
I suppose you could run Speltz anticables with bare Amp ends, but your still at 26 watts of power. |
Yeah powering those behemoths with 26 watts would be akin to pushing the Titanic with a pair of Evinrudes. I had a pair of M5s and drove it with the Acurus A250-terrific match, and using original monster cable. |
Not being familiar with the speakers, and having not read thru all the replies, are there any adjustable pots on the speakers that could possibly be padding down the tweeters? (apologies if that's been brought up) |
I have been changing my speakers cables, from Siltech, JPS Labs, Acoustic Zen, Gotham Audio and I now ended up with the vintage WE cables. It always makes different when we switched the cables. It's all about the taste and the matching of the whole systems. |
I use a quality 10 gauge speaker on everything in my system. Any additional expense for supposed higher grade wire is a waste of money. It’s a total snake oil business.
People do not hear cable. It just makes them feel special having it back there. I’ve seen power cables that cost more than my amps. Silly. |
Those speakers are pretty nice but you need a heck of a lot more than a vintage integrated with 26 watts to drive them. They are ridiculously low sensitivity. And, being a dipole speaker, room treatment and placement becomes even more critical. I guess it comes down to what you want to hold on to more....the Marantz or the Mirage. But they are not a match.
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I use a quality 10 gauge speaker on everything in my system. Any additional expense for supposed higher grade wire is a waste of money. It’s a total snake oil business.
People do not hear cable. It just makes them feel special having it back there. I’ve seen power cables that cost more than my amps. Silly. ..... What is silly is this post .Id say if you honestly think cabling is snake oil either your system is junk ,your ears or both ..10 gauge wire,omg did you really just post that on an audiophile forum?
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Turn all drivers 180 degrees . Then buy some
nice speaker wire also same brand interconnect
that you can afford . Then
enjoy. You will get bombarded with Speaker wire in this form Just get the first Nice wire you see so you don't go nuts over it all anything above Monster will serve nicely |
This kind of talk is cheap weed talking. Never think like this ,,,,,,,, Any additional expense for supposed higher grade wire is a waste of money. It’s a total snake oil business.
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Another Classic He said ,, back in the 70's or 80's my brother in law sold stereo equipment.in those days he said that speaker wires don't matte! :::: In the 70,s
who was making wire??
early Mid 80.s ok, more and more manufacturers .
Selling audio at Walmart don't cut it . also who listens to a brother in law?
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I apologize for picking nits, but I believe those Mirage speakers are bipolar instead of dipoles. I should probably have a pair since I am bipolar also.
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Make all the difference in the world . Go with Kimber or Purist and there bottom line . And a "TRUE" bi-wire cable . Thats if you have a true bi-wire speaker? Take the speaker cable post off and trace it to the crossover,.separate wires its a true bi-wire speakers .
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Speaker cables do make a difference. For decades I scoffed at the idea and thought that just current capability would matter. For decades I used 10ga speaker wire bought at the hardware store. It sounded good ....until I bought some reasonably priced 10ga oxygen free copper speaker cable. Wow! The high frequency was better, symbols had better decay, a brightness without the harshness like the old cable. I did not have to spend thousands to hear this change. Also dynamics increased. I see many ads for cables way out of my budget. The brand was "installgear" and I am sure for most audiophiles is not good enough. I love music and demand as good of sound as I can afford. I have DYI speakers that bring out the best, or worst and not forgiving of bad recordings or original EQ being right. In my case, yes! Cables do make a difference. Plan this in your budget according to what you can afford. |
I have both the Mirage 3 si and 2 si and Man are they POWER HUNGRY!!.I was in a mid size room and i just could not get them to wake up, the sound was sooo dull and lifeless, i tried three power amps from 150 watts to 200 watts!!! and i still had to get my fix back by going back to my Khorns,i Had Cardas speaker cables on them and still nothing, THAN I PULL OUT THE CROWN STUDIO REFERENCE!!! and my GOD!!!
the walls was PULSATING.they need juice. Michael Jackson's JAM was hitting so HARD my neighbor turned down his music to hear mine, YEAH BOY!!! |
You could have probably read @Panzrwagn 's post and deleted all the others and got as much out of the replies.
No your amp is not ideal for your speakers but you said you can barely hear the tweeters with your ears right up against them. Tweeters are normally quite a bit quieter than mids but usually you can easily pick out the highs but need to be close to be sure it's the tweeters.
The speaker wires are not the issue. It is unlikely the amp. As noted they won't go loud but you will lose bass not the highs in a situation like that.
If those tweeters were ferrofluid cooled, it may have dried up. Could also be dry capacitors. Electrolytic caps were common for tweeters even in high end back then.
These would be 83db anechoic. They are bipolar so room response will typically be much better. Apples and oranges.
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