Anti depression medications and anti psychosis medications are much more dangerous than LSD ever thought of being. Yet their good outweighs their bad. Everything has risks. and sometimes the higher the reward the higher the risks.
Do equipment stands have an impact on electronics?
Mechanical grounding or isolation from vibration has been a hot topic as of late. Many know from experience that footers, stands and other vibration technologies impact things that vibrate a lot like speakers, subs or even listening rooms (my recent experience with an "Energy room"). The question is does it have merit when it comes to electronics and if so why? Are there plausible explanations for their effect on electronics or suggested measurement paradigms to document such an effect?
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Let us resolve that, 1. LSD shall not be administered to children. 2. LSD shall not be use to spike the punch at school parties. 3. LSD shall not be placed in bananas and given to gorillas or other animals at the zoo. 4. LSD shall not be given to pets. 5. LSD shall not be taken during pregnancy. 6. LSD shall not be taken everyday. 7. LSD shall not be taken by commercial airline pilots whilst or within 12 hours of operating aircraft. 8. LSD shall not be taken by an officer during military combat. 9. Surgeons shall refrain from ingesting LSD prior to surgeries expected to last more than three hours. 10. Air traffic controllers shall refrain from ingesting LSD within 12 hours of scheduled work. |
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Geoffkait:Thanks for the heads up. Someone needed to pick up the banner from Nancy Reagan. Just say no 😱 To which Agear replied, "Not benign as you insinuated earlier. Duh." I didn’t insinuate anything. Don’t put words, even your big impressive college words, in my mouth. What I said quite clearly was the dangerous thing about LSD is the additives like amphetamine or mole poison or whatever sometimes added to certain forms of LSD to precipitate the, you know, "rush." But not to LSD-25, which is the pure laboratory form. The pure LSD-25 experience is stress free, or so I’ve read. There has always been a lot of fear mongering and ignorance with these things, that goes without saying. |
agear OP Still just an epiphenomenon whether it be Bach or LSD or magical tweaks that add gasoline to our pre-wired placebo cauldron. To be truly meaningful, there has to be a sentient "other" and not simply a closed loop. Gosh, I don’t think I’ve seen that before - someone trying to win an argument by appealing to big words. I thought I’d seen them all. That’s a new logical fallacy on me. Must be related to the Snow Job fallacy. 😁 |
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I was aware of the out-of-body-experience phenomenon, but this was beyond that. It was an "out-of-universe-experience" ;-). And it was not just my own individual consciousness, but a feeling of being part of a group consciousness (for lack of a better term), the source of which was "outside time and space". THAT was the spirituality of it for me. By the way, I experienced the same thing the first time I listened to J.S. Bach's Concerto for Four Harpsichords and Orchestra. Who needs Acid?! |
agear OP Not to get too personal here, but regarding "remote".....one aspect of my last "time" involved the perception that we are looking at the physical universe through our eyes, with the same feeling one gets when looking through the eye holes in a mask, being behind the mask and everything else on the other side of it---a two dimensional construct. Except that of course our "mask" is part of the three-dimensional universe, not two. We feel like we are inside our bodies, looking out at the universe those bodies are in through our eyes. Many people don’t consider their body "them", but rather what they are "in" at the moment. That is called an OOBE and as such is simply a neurological epiphenomena. Nothing spiritual per say although its novelty can lead one to construct an alter around that experience. Mr. Leary certainly did. Another warning about hallucinogens (all natural ones): http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0269881116662634 Thanks for the heads up. Someone needed to pick up the banner from Nancy Reagan. Just say no 😱 |
Not to get too personal here, but regarding "remote".....one aspect of my last "time" involved the perception that we are looking at the physical universe through our eyes, with the same feeling one gets when looking through the eye holes in a mask, being behind the mask and everything else on the other side of it---a two dimensional construct. Except that of course our "mask" is part of the three-dimensional universe, not two. We feel like we are inside our bodies, looking out at the universe those bodies are in through our eyes. Many people don’t consider their body "them", but rather what they are "in" at the moment.That is called an OOBE and as such is simply a neurological epiphenomena. Nothing spiritual per say although its novelty can lead one to construct an alter around that experience. Mr. Leary certainly did. Another warning about hallucinogens (all natural ones): http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0269881116662634 |
bdp24 For those still with me ;-), an inference that can be drawn from the feeling of being outside the physical universe is that the source of our collective consciousness, such as it is, is itself ("His" self) outside of it; the Creator and his Creation. Mystical, man. that’s a perfect lead in to a nice, mind boggling post on the dodgy subject of PWB Electronics, I.e. Peter Belt. What with their theories of shared memory, Morphic resonance, mind over matter, quantum teleportation, ESP, the perception of sound on the subconscious level, and the Mind Lamp from Psyleron, the multi-color lamp that changes color according to thoughts in the room. Oh, it’s coming. I promise. Oops, wrong thread. |
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I actually don’t disagree with anything you just said Geoff. I had a few great trips, and then got some stuff laced with something, as you suggest perhaps amphetamine. Luckily, it made me so violently ill I expunged it all out of my stomach, and things calmed down. The sight of a solid tube of rainbow sherbet-colored vomit propelling out of my mouth (think the Yellow Submarine animated movie) was quite surreal! I saw my first and only third eye that day, right in the middle of a guy’s forehead. It blinked separately from the other two ;-). That was it for me, thank you very much. I felt as if I had narrowly escaped the fate of Icarus, flying too close to the sun (too high).Third eye eh? Ever able to teleport yourself anywhere? Remote viewing? |
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bdp24 I actually don’t disagree with anything you just said Geoff. I had a few great trips, and then got some stuff laced with something, as you suggest perhaps amphetamine. Luckily, it made me so violently ill I expunged it all out of my stomach, and things calmed down. The sight of a solid tube of rainbow sherbet-colored vomit propelling out of my mouth (think the Yellow Submarine animated movie) was quite surreal! I saw my first and only third eye that day, right in the middle of a guy’s forehead. It blinked separately from the other two ;-). That was it for me, thank you very much. I felt as if I had narrowly escaped the fate of Icarus, flying too close to the sun (too high). Hey, same thing happened to me! But it was too much champaign and Guinness stout. Whoa, Nelly! Thought I saw God. 😃 |
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bdp24 1,811 posts 01-02-2017 2:27am I consider LSD-25 a very dangerous thing, which ruined a fair number of people’s lives. A boyfriend and girlfriend at my High School got way into it and committed double-suicide in the Santa Cruz mountains in ’67. The thought of young minds being exposed to such a powerful psycho-chemical is horrific to me, as are the experiments the CIA performed on unsuspecting civilians. Shame on them, and on the people (like Dr. Timothy Leary) who irresponsibly encouraged it’s casual use. However, it IS very effective at raising one’s consciousness, if used only briefly by an adult, as did The Beatles. But then there are Syd Barrett, Skip Spence, and Peter Green who, sadly, didn’t know when to stop. actually LSD-25 in its pure form is quite benign. It’s the additives like amphetamine or who knows what that present risk for the user. Obviously drugs can sometimes bring out underlying negative or simmering issues that are already there. But you can’t necessarily blame whatever happens on the drugs. Speaking of suicides and other horrors they used to too say exactly the same thing about marajuana. And there certainly have been infinitely more suicide blamed directly on anti depression medication than LSD-25 or any other psychedelic drug. Alcohol is much more dangerous than any drug in terms of being directly responsible for deaths, domestic attacks, suicides, automobile fatalities, etc. Timothy Leary encouraged raising consciousness, remember? "Turn on, Tune in, drop out." Try reading Leary’s Be Here Now or The Psychedelic Book of the Dead sometime. Or as Alfred E. Newman intoned, "turn on, tune in, drop dead." Ken Kesey, author of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and Sometimes a Great Notion took part in the LSD experiments in the '50. Didn't seem to slow down his style too much. As Huxley wrote, psychedelic drugs can be Heaven or Hell. Take your pick. 😩 |
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agear OP Somebody wrote: Some people's ego doesn't allow them to contemplate how little of our brains do we use, how little we know. A healthy dose of a psychedelic can help with that. to which replied, "I have finally figured out why this thread has been such a mosh pit. Bdp24 let the cat out of the bag. Aside from the erratic ramblings of Mr Kait (a given on threads of any subject), it has struggled to retain focus due to the insidious input of aging hipsters. In his book "Doors of Perception," Aldous Huxley celebrated the quasi-religious revelations offered by Mescaline. Cdp24 mirrors that sentiment. The dark side of such as chemical enlightenment does not always manifest until much later in conjunction with aging of the brain. These "experiences" are burnt into our grey matter as a neural circuit of sorts, and these neural eddies re-emerge in an uncontrolled and inappropriate ways unbeknownst to the victim. The damage wrought by psychedelics has been borne out to some degree in the aftermath of the CIA's LSD experiments (Kait, if you were a participant, this would make this revelation a complete circle). At this point, in a Zuckerbergian gesture and for the sake of thread clarity, I propose censorship of all participants with exposure to psychedelic drugs in their past. A hair sample can be taken, and if you are clean, your musings on mechanical grounding will be accepted." Whoa! What?! Hey, looks like a certain botonist musta got a little hammered last night. Take two placebos, Bobo, and see me in the morning. Feel better. |
Some people's ego doesn't allow them to contemplate how little of our brains do we use, how little we know. A healthy dose of a psychedelic can help with that.I have finally figured out why this thread has been such a mosh pit. Bdp24 let the cat out of the bag. Aside from the erratic ramblings of Mr Kait (a given on threads of any subject), it has struggled to retain focus due to the insidious input of aging hipsters. In his book "Doors of Perception," Aldous Huxley celebrated the quasi-religious revelations offered by Mescaline. Cdp24 mirrors that sentiment. The dark side of such as chemical enlightenment does not always manifest until much later in conjunction with aging of the brain. These "experiences" are burnt into our grey matter as a neural circuit of sorts, and these neural eddies re-emerge in an uncontrolled and inappropriate ways unbeknownst to the victim. The damage wrought by psychedelics has been borne out to some degree in the aftermath of the CIA's LSD experiments (Kait, if you were a participant, this would make this revelation a complete circle). At this point, in a Zuckerbergian gesture and for the sake of thread clarity, I propose censorship of all participants with exposure to psychedelic drugs in their past. A hair sample can be taken, and if you are clean, your musings on mechanical grounding will be accepted. |
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Oops, forgot Pearl spells it Harbour. She's half Japanese/half American, so the name has a special significance. She useta do "Fujiyama Mama", the old Wanda Jackson Rockabilly song. Funny! Pearl is quite an amazing looking woman, very sexy. And what a clothes horse! Her house in L.A. is a two-bedroom, one of which she made into a walk-in closet, complete with a bunch of those racks with wheels that stores hang their goods on. And the house is decorated with posters of 50's Striptease artists, whom she now kinda resembles. Whatta gal! |
Geoffkait: The discussion in which the Ginsberg Burroughs anecdote appeared was about knowledge not lifestyle. To whit, "Burroughs, older and wiser, simply replied that he didn’t say anything because "you can’t tell anybody anything they don’t already know." That’s putting it rather in the extreme, but it’s another way of saying that some people just don’t get it and never will." The more I think about it the Burroughs quote could apply to you. 😛 Agear: And you separate those two things how? Have you read any of his novels or are you flying on derivative knowledge as usual....? Again, I don’t look to either pedophiles or drug addicts for "knowledge" aka wisdom. Bobo the botonist takes a swing at the theoretical physicist and misses. I can certainly understand why it took you 10 years to get out of school. I’m much better read than you are, that’s pretty obvious. |
Heck, most hippies these days drive hybrids and drink kombuchas... but I've not had Birkenstocks for decades (they didn't hold up so well in the Minnesota winters; neither did my socks). But I still wear sandals as much as I can.Looks like a kool race. Next you you do it, take Kait with you. He needs to get out of his basement and get some exercise. I lived in the cities for over 10 years during my training at the U and owned a mountain bike and road it all over creation. The endless trails along the river were great. |
The discussion in which the Ginsberg Burroughs anecdote appeared was about knowledge not lifestyle. To whit,And you separate those two things how? Have you read any of his novels or are you flying on derivative knowledge as usual....? Again, I don't look to either pedophiles or drug addicts for "knowledge" aka wisdom. |
I felt a certain kinship with Ralph and Michael Green, we three the only longhairs at CES in the 90's. I cut off my mop in 2003 when Pearl Harbor (whose band I had just joined) asked me if I would not mind doing. She was a London-type Punk/Rockabilly singer (three albums on WB, Stiff in the UK), and didn't cotton to anything remotely hippie-ish. She had been married to Clash bassist Paul Simonon, and liked her band to look "manly"---50's greaser style. I actually love that look, and gladly acquiesced. But I'm back to the biker look, like Steve Earle in his hard-rockin' period. I prefer to think of it as biker, 'cause I never liked the Hippie style. Love beads, bell-bottoms, and a headband? Yuch!Nice. Audiogon needs to institute mug shots for all its users.... |
bdp24 I cut off my mop in 2003 when Pearl Harbor (whose band I had just joined) asked me if I would not mind doing. She was a London-type Punk/Rockabilly singer (three albums on WB, Stiff in the UK), and didn't cotton to anything remotely hippie-ish. She had been married to Clash bassist Paul Simonon, and .... uh, did you say Clash? Prepare to get stalked. 😳 |
How sad. Do the Birkenstocks at least live on?Heck, most hippies these days drive hybrids and drink kombuchas... but I've not had Birkenstocks for decades (they didn't hold up so well in the Minnesota winters; neither did my socks). But I still wear sandals as much as I can. I even ride my bike with sandals (Shimano is making their clipless sandals again) which I used when I rode the Tour Divide back in June. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhrtPyr1KQI |
I felt a certain kinship with Ralph and Michael Green, we three the only longhairs at CES in the 90's. I cut off my mop in 2003 when Pearl Harbor (whose band I had just joined) asked me if I would not mind doing. She was a London-type Punk/Rockabilly singer (three albums on WB, Stiff in the UK), and didn't cotton to anything remotely hippie-ish. She had been married to Clash bassist Paul Simonon, and liked her band to look "manly"---50's greaser style. I actually love that look, and gladly acquiesced. But I'm back to the biker look, like Steve Earle in his hard-rockin' period. I prefer to think of it as biker, 'cause I never liked the Hippie style. Love beads, bell-bottoms, and a headband? Yuch! |
Agear wrote, "Burroughs was hardly a font of wisdom with his penchant for heroin and young boys." then Agear defended that statement with, "It was not a reference to his writing but rather his life and how he lived. Two different things grasshopper. What literature did you read beyond english composition 101 in E-school? The discussion in which the Ginsberg Burroughs anecdote appeared was about knowledge not lifestyle. To whit, "Burroughs, older and wiser, simply replied that he didn’t say anything because "you can’t tell anybody anything they don’t already know." That’s putting it rather in the extreme, but it’s another way of saying that some people just don’t get it and never will." The more I think about it the Burroughs quote could apply to you. 😛 |
Wait…I'm still hung up on Ralph's "perfectly coiffed hippy mane." Having been a Real Hippy (as opposed to a "weekend hippy"), and a working musician since 1967 where I was overexposed to all sorts of hippiedom, I can say that "perfectly coiffed" and "hippy mane" are mutually exclusive.Ha! Point taken. Well, we always knew Ralph was a poseur and a wannabe. I assume that is what you are implying... |
maybe you should read it again.i was not a reference to his writing but rather his life and how he lived. Two different things grasshopper. What literature did you read beyond english composition 101 in E-school? |
Interesting. Can you elaborate on the last part of that statement? Ralph (with your perfectly coifed hippy mane) care to add to that line of thinking?Mane?? I cut my hair back about 5 or 6 years ago and joined the establishment. Now I quaff kombuchas while driving my Honda Insight and listening to NPR. I guess with that I'll never shed the hippy image. |
Agear I read Naked Lunch in HS. Burroughs was hardly a font of wisdom with his penchant for heroin and young boys. maybe you should read it again. "In 1983, Burroughs was elected to the American Academy and Institute of Arts and Letters, and in 1984 he was awarded the Ordre des Arts et des Lettres by France.[1] Jack Kerouac called Burroughs the "greatest satirical writer since Jonathan Swift",[2] a reputation he owes to his "lifelong subversion"[3] of the moral, political, and economic systems of modern American society, articulated in often darkly humorous sardonicism. J. G. Ballard considered Burroughs to be "the most important writer to emerge since the Second World War", while Norman Mailer declared him "the only American writer who may be conceivably possessed by genius"." An ordinary man has no means of deliverance. - Wm Burroughs |
Plagiarized from Peter Bizlewicz:I read Naked Lunch in HS. Burroughs was hardly a font of wisdom with his penchant for heroin and young boys. |
Some people's ego doesn't allow them to contemplate how little of our brains do we use, how little we know. A healthy dose of a psychedelic can help with thatInteresting. Can you elaborate on the last part of that statement? Ralph (with your perfectly coifed hippy mane) care to add to that line of thinking? |
Plagiarized from Peter Bizlewicz: "The writer William S. Burroughs once wrote a response to his good friend, poet Alan Ginsberg, who had asked Burroughs why he hadn't dissuaded him beforehand against doing something that resulted in an unpleasant experience for Ginsberg. Burroughs, older and wiser, simply replied that he didn't say anything because "you can't tell anybody anything they don't already know." That's putting it rather in the extreme, but it's another way of saying that some people just don't get it and never will." Food for thought Ralph. Best to you, Dave |