If we ever get through all this craziness and Axpona kicks back up meet me on the second floor at the bar. I’m buying the first round. Stay safe friends.
@lhasaguy - I am not Covid "vaccinated", however as I am reasonably well traveled, and have visited third world countries, it was later in life I had my polio shot, as well as diphtheria, typhoid and pertussis and tetanus and hepatitis A and B if I recall correctly, just to go to Nepal and Thailand. I also took any shots required to enter the US as a permanent resident, that I hadn’t already taken, which I paid for out of pocket. I have traveled no less than 30 countries around the globe, quite a few were not Westernised.
It was because of doctors who questioned, and since the initial questions on both the contents and some emerging reactions that have over time had me weigh up on waiting to see before getting the nontraditional vaccine. Obviously the definition has changed to include the newer ones, I was always under the impression that a vaccine was intended to invoke an immune response that resulted in a natural immunity?
To call me an anti-vaxxer would be inaccurate. However as I have caution and reservations in the swiftness and lack of empirical data over time on this relatively new injectable technology, I am cautious.
My wife is a dental hygienist, and is in a network with front line workers, we are talking about the highest risk of Covid infection here. These people who are personally involved, have reached out to others and are claiming heavy censorship. Doctors are claiming heavy censorship also, as a student of history it make me cautious and even concerned.
Patterns of human behavior and history do have a readable tell tale signature, and it’s easy to be oblivious to it. There are quite a few of us, that are seeing some red flags here, and have taken the time to write about it, in a thread that was started which directly is related to the Sars Cov 2 virus and it’s impact in current life, including audiophile related conferences etc.
Agoners don’t hold guns to forum members heads to read about vinyl if they’re into digital, or digital if they’re stricktly into vinyl - please feel free to not get involved in this discussion.
I look forward to attending my local audio show when it starts up again because it’s in state where people seem to believe in actual science and most people are vaccinated. I’ll still be wearing a mask though, but a real one (KN95) not a surgical mask or worse. It amazes me the amount of research people here will do about all topics audio, but when it comes to our very lives.... seems not so much.
I had a few (outdoor) dinners with a new friend who is a virologist for a prestigious hospital, and how refreshing it was to get actual information and answers from someone who truly understands how viruses work and how the various vaccine technologies work.
I only have one question for the older folks here (I am 73), who among you did not get the polio vaccine in The 50s and 60s?
The data clearly shows those now dying and on ventilators are predominantly unvaccinated. Has politics been such a driver you will risk your life? You know the liberals are laughing at you as you help turn the demographics against your voting bloc by killing those on your side.
Thanks jond. They are power hungry though so anyone considering the L200 will need to keep that in mind. 4 ohm, 86 db. It’s going to take a little grunt to get them sounding there best. They did really well with my Primaluna dialogue premium HP with KT150’s. My PS Audio BHK 250 is positively iron fisted with them. Their pricing would suggest being used with lesser expensive amps or receivers but I don’t think you’re going to get anywhere near their potential with low current amps. Pretty speaker too in walnut.
It’s also kind of telling that apart from Nicky Minaj and Eric Clapton very few celebrities have expressed an opinion on current affairs.
When you look at the volumes of flak they’ve received for doing so, maybe not so surprising after all.
Whatever became of the protest singer? Are mavericks no longer permitted in this high tech world?
I cant agree more...
Ostrichs we are not....
I am a complete maverick.... who want to be normal on all front?
In audio if i have never been a maverick from the beginning i will be here discussing useless or not so much useful upgrade at hight price chasing my own tail without knowing what to do....
In a world of ostrichs simple man or maverick win....
«In an enclosure any ostrich beat the hell of most man like a grizzly will »- Davy Crockett
On a whim I bought a pair of Polk L200 bookshelf speakers. They are the latest from those guys. Not sure why I bought them really, I've never been much of a polk guy and I'm not looking for a third or fourth or fifth pair of speaker. I got a pair on Crutchfield as open box for a pretty good discount. They certainly aren't resolution champs but I was stunned at the sound quality from such small, inexpensive speakers. The ring radiator tweeter is quite detailed with zero harshness. Polk is poo poo'd around here but those are really decent warm sounding speakers for cheap.
Unlike some others I’m glad this thread has not been pulled. At least not yet.
It might be unsavoury for some but hiding our heads in the sand, or silently locking ourselves away in our rooms with our not so average systems while generational changes are happening outside is not really a defendable course of action, is it? Besides, contributions to the debate are always voluntary, and there are plenty of other debates for those that prefer.
@millercarbon,
"People really should watch the video above. Not just America, Western Civilization itself is being destroyed before our very eyes. While we quibble and quarrel, more often than not it is being done not on the terms of reasoned debate but following the rules of oppression and revolution laid out by Karl Marx and Saul Alinsky. Study this subject people. While you still can. This is the ideology at the root of all our problems."
Some of have already studied this subject and long concluded that the US empire is being dismantled in a similar way that both the German and British ones were during WW2.
Opinions regarding the methods of this destruction will depend upon which side you stand. To patriots these are difficult times, but enemies might regard the installation of a bought government a masterstroke.
What better way is there to covertly destroy (or change if that’s your preferred delusion) something other than from within itself?
@oldhvymec, "Just six weeks in the wrong direction 1/2 the worlds population would be gone. Just 2 weeks of bad water 1/2 the worlds population would be gone. You know what the other half would be eating?
YOU!!!
Never under estimate a human’s ability to turn as feral as a PIG in the wild.. (about 6 weeks)."
Correct, as has history has demonstrated time and time again.
It’s not just a dog eat dog world. Just be sure to stock up on plenty of pasta if the very worst outcome comes to pass.
The truth is out there, but you might just need to occasionally step out of the Google/Zuckerberg ecosystem to find it.
It’s also kind of telling that apart from Nicky Minaj and Eric Clapton very few celebrities have expressed an opinion on current affairs.
When you look at the volumes of flak they’ve received for doing so, maybe not so surprising after all.
Whatever became of the protest singer? Are mavericks no longer permitted in this high tech world?
Audiogon remains Audiogon. There are still all of the other threads on this site. THIS OP thread began: "If we ever get through all this craziness ... "(indeed)!! All views are welcome and appreciated.
@millercarbon I was just answering Iso's question. You always come out swinging, thats cool. As I was stating, it would be fun to return to an audio forum. I wasnt commenting to state a pro/con position on any of the controversial subjects, I was actually trying to state an agnostic position on same in the hopes that Audiogon could return to being Audiogon. I penned that post in response to Iso that I also nurture a workplace that fosters the same. No big deal.
If I somehow offended you for joking with you about writing a product review before you've heard a piece of gear you have on order, regrets.
Why should I care? Are we operating within the law while doing everything in our power to ensure a safe and productive work environment? Yes. Am I going to require vaccines or masks to be employed? No, not unless it is mandated by law. If someone is granted a substantial bonus it will be because they contributed to a defined outcome in a material way. Isn’t that the way its supposed to work? Some may buy a house or a vacation home in which to place a nice hifi system. Others may just put it in other investments or deploy it to achieve whatever goals they may have. None of my business.
ghasley (that’s right, same guy) :
@millercarbon once again, what is the point of these kind of posts on an audio forum??? Do you believe you will convert someone here and to what end?
Have to point out it is the same guy because he is clearly talking out both sides of his mouth. Wants to shut everyone else up, can’t see anything anyone else has to say, but at the same time happy to lecture us all on his world views. Probably oblivious to the hypocrisy. They usually are.
ghasbag- But @isochronism can we agree that most here could give a shyt about the ingredient? Or the fact that you may or may not be correct?
Most who took the vaccine would have taken it anyway even if they had known. Most who did not take the vaccine would not have either way way so what is being accomplished? And why does it matter so much to you that you are acknowledged as having been right if that is in fact the case?
Etc, etc, on and on he goes. Standards for thee, but not for me, eh gasbag?
Can’t there be an audio forum that focuses on audio?
@isochronism Why should I care? Are we operating within the law while doing everything in our power to ensure a safe and productive work environment? Yes. Am I going to require vaccines or masks to be employed? No, not unless it is mandated by law. If someone is granted a substantial bonus it will be because they contributed to a defined outcome in a material way. Isn’t that the way its supposed to work? Some may buy a house or a vacation home in which to place a nice hifi system. Others may just put it in other investments or deploy it to achieve whatever goals they may have. None of my business.
I posted before seeing ghastley's well done post. I can agree, although I appreciate the fellowship among the good many members in out hobby here, and CARE about our wellbeing. Carry on.
@millercarbon once again, what is the point of these kind of posts on an audio forum??? Do you believe you will convert someone here and to what end? Are you really expecting someone to have an aha moment, resign from Greenpeace and read every Ayn Rand book because of your post. Can't there be an audio forum that focuses on audio?
But @isochronism can we agree that most here could give a shyt about the ingredient? Or the fact that you may or may not be correct?
Most who took the vaccine would have taken it anyway even if they had known. Most who did not take the vaccine would not have either way way so what is being accomplished? And why does it matter so much to you that you are acknowledged as having been right if that is in fact the case?
People really should watch the video above. Not just America, Western Civilization itself is being destroyed before our very eyes. While we quibble and quarrel, more often than not it is being done not on the terms of reasoned debate but following the rules of oppression and revolution laid out by Karl Marx and Saul Alinsky. Study this subject people. While you still can. This is the ideology at the root of all our problems.
A few months ago (in the Ledderman thread) I named an ingredient the vaccines have. I won't name it here. A few commented I was totally wrong, and my post was removed. Now under Labratory anylization it IS indeed found in ALL vaccines. The manufactures now admit that ingredient. It adds NO therapeutic benefit. Why is it there?? 🤔 Answer: It is KNOWN why!! Again, I won't name that reason here.
Just finished a long meeting this morning determining bonuses for 2021 and doing our part to keep capitalism moving. Thought I would check in here at Audiogon to see if there are any new thoughts. I’ll keep checking back and remain ever hopeful that an audio forum materializes.
Where is there some middle ground where the anti vax and pro vax, anti mask and pro mask, taxes too high and taxes too low, voting rights vs voting restriction crowds can co-exist? I dont care if someone is vaccinated or not and I further dont care why nor do I care where they choose to get their newsfeed from. I have made my reasonably informed decisions, they have made theirs and can’t we just move on? I have employees/co-workers on both sides...I dont particularly care which. We dont have to explain it to each other ad nauseum. Just because I prefer a certain sound, cable or topology doesn’t make how you may have voted in the last election relevant to me. Just here to enjoy the hobby.
Cant we admit that a post on Audiogon isnt going to convert anyone from one side to the other? Why can’t we just leave it at that? Why do we care which side the other audio nut is on? We are still audio nuts. I appreciate that @mahgister is trying to achieve great sound on his defined budget. I appreciate that @millercarbon is maximizing his hifi enjoyment, even with the hyperbole or the occasional review prior to actually hearing the item LOL. Seriously, we have more in common than not dont we?
Natural immunity would work. But, getting sick in order to acquire immunity so that you don’t get sick makes as much sense as having one’s arm amputated so that it will not get caught in a wood chipper.
This disease dont touch all age groups in the same way first...
Second before saying partial claim and sophism think...
There is many proved simple low cost treatment for people which are not at risk with morbidities and old age....
Do you think 300 million people in Uttar pradesh state in India vaxx all with forceful mandates to eliminate and controls covid?
Their yogi minister give a few bucks ivermectin and antibiotic...With total success...2 dollars for the pack...
Then revise your sophistry in the face of science....
Forget ideology ingrained in you by medias...
I will repeat:
Vaccination is good for at risk people only on ALL earth not only rich america...Save for the pharma who sells it to rich countries governed by corruption... Sorry....Give vaxx to the poor at risk on earth Free...Is it not a world crisis where profitering is criminal?
Treatment at low cost are necessary for all others poor people on earth and even for at no risk young americans with a functioning brain....Put an end to censorship of science facts and scientists by youtube, facebook and other criminals global corporation that rules us all over democratic government...
To control a mutating coronavirus we need treatment and vaxx... Like with the seasonal flu.... And no for the idiots who read me i dont confuse the more problematic sars-cov2 with the ordinary flu but the 2 are airborne transmitted rapidly mutating viruses.... We need then vaccination and treatment, not only one of those 2.... Is it difficult to understand?
Massive vaxx for all will by itself only create a selective pressure in a direction we dont wanted to on the possible roads of the virus mutation.... We need a part of the population which is not at risk unvaccinated... Epidemiology course for all non scientific people on the Gert van der Bossche site...
Note: The concept of natural immunity is not reducible to the way which you use it for in your "sophism"... A sophism is an argument that look logically sound but that is garbage and meaningless....
Natural immunity would work. But, getting sick in order to acquire immunity so that you don't get sick makes as much sense as having one's arm amputated so that it will not get caught in a wood chipper.
Instead of calling some "conspirationist" or "tin foil hatter", perhaps
what is true or meaningul in another perspective view would be more
interesting to discuss...
When you have no ability to disprove someone's opposing idea, then you call them names or cast aspersions on their character. This is a common tactic especially among those who tell us how smart they are and how dumb we are.
Listening to others and discussing any subject even censored one without insults is no longer possible it seems, why?
Instead of calling some "conspirationist" or "tin foil hatter", perhaps what is true or meaningul in another perspective view would be more interesting to discuss...
We build with a common ground not with systematic dissent....
I often require the medicinal properties of hard liquor before venturing to an online forum where the wearing of a tin foil hat is recommended by my therapist.
it is probably because you need it anyway....
I dont....
It remind me of the useless debates here in audio and in politics where people are chained to false conditioned alternatives missing always the essential in audio like in politics...Two warring gangs....I dont need liquor nor drug to come here....Only friendship, by anyone religious or atheist or vinyl table user or digital user etc....Vaxx at all cost or antivaxxers....I am in none of these 2 boats....
It is not a great contribution after 31 posts to tell to all people indiscriminately that speaking here need to be first meet with a therapeutic...
Anyway welcome to this forum sincerely and i apologize if it seems rude from my part....
I often require the medicinal properties of hard liquor before venturing to an online forum where the wearing of a tin foil hat is recommended by my therapist.
To interact with actual people at an audiophile expo in the US would perhaps require pharmaceutical grade intervention.
Edit - and now I tripped over another thread speaking of extinction and the Borg. I reckon I'll listen to something approaching sanity like Wagner's Ring cycle. A pleasant Hagen.
Just six weeks in the wrong direction 1/2 the worlds population would be gone. Just 2 weeks of bad water 1/2 the worlds population would be gone. You know what the other half would be eating?
YOU!!!
Never under estimate a human's ability to turn as feral as a PIG in the wild.. (about 6 weeks).
You are right....
I will buy some chikens and like you i will feed them....
Just six weeks in the wrong direction 1/2 the worlds population would be gone. Just 2 weeks of bad water 1/2 the worlds population would be gone. You know what the other half would be eating?
YOU!!!
Never under estimate a human's ability to turn as feral as a PIG in the wild.. (about 6 weeks).
4,822,761 people in the world have lost the natural immunity gamble with Covid-19.
Is prejudice blind you a bit?
These people a great number of them are dead much more so because available cheap treatment were censored and the wrong treatment, when all are waiting for a miraculous vaccine, were applied....Remember also that vaccines for the last year was for rich countries mainly.... This is a fact....
and the virtue of natural immunity are like the virtue of vaccine immunity scientific facts to ponder on a fine scale benefits/risks...
Then dont cherry pick the facts especially if you want going on with the thinking process.....
Thinking is a process where the premisses most of the times are in great numbers and the conclusion out of reach if we dont play with the right premisses in the right order....
Vaccines are part of the solution NOT THE ALL AND ONLY MIRACULOUS solution, save in the head of hypnotised people....And sorry but there exist available treatments from the begiinning...Guess why you dont know it yet....
With a virus which mutated a lot: vaccination for the at risk people and treatment prophylactic and for the first stage of the disease are mandatory....
Making Mass vacination mandatory and censoring prophilaxy and treatment are so stupid and criminal i am speechless....Speechless because like in audio matter people buy the hype....
«Audiophilia is a disease i cure myself with simple acoustic»-Groucho Marx 🤓
Other options perhaps, are pro-natural immunity people who are health care professionals. Who see no responsible reason to get vaccinated with any potential side effects, despite what you have been lead to believe.
Pro-vaccination health care professionals who have seen cases that are being reported not on the media sources you sir are getting, in regards to the Covid vaccines, specifically.
But we do know it’s not George Sorrows, Bilderbergers, or supply chains, thanks to recent revelations.
i concur with this excellent post...
I am glad that i dont need to say anything else about this matter and perhaps some are glad too.... 😁😊😎
Anti-vaxxers have no business being in the medical profession in the first place and good riddance.
Other options perhaps, are pro-natural immunity people who are health care professionals. Who see no responsible reason to get vaccinated with any potential side effects, despite what you have been lead to believe.
Pro-vaccination health care professionals who have seen cases that are being reported not on the media sources you sir are getting, in regards to the Covid vaccines, specifically.
But we do know it’s not George Sorrows, Bilderbergers, or supply chains, thanks to recent revelations.
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