Could I use my analog hifi system for commerical bar?


Dear gentlemen, 

I would need your kind advices on this.

COVID, recession, stock market, my business went downhill in the past 2 years and it is now to the point that I call it quit on my current business operation. 

I'm thinking of an idea to bring my home hifi system to "hustle on the street" and earn some buck along the way before I'm able to do something bigger. 

I'm thinking of opening a hifi/audiophile (vinyl) bar, which is not so common in my area here, and I think there is a good market for that. However, I'm not financially capable of buying a whole new system, I can spare about $20k extra on audio equipment, the rest of my pocket is only enough to pay for rents/labour + other equipment for catering at the moment.

Here is my humble current set up at home:

1. Joseph Audio flagship Pearl speakers

2. Soure: vintage Thornes TD125 Long Base with Audio Technica VM760SLC MM Cart.

3. Rega Fono Mini A2D phonostage

4. Rouge Audio Cronos Magnum Integrated Amp 1st generation (as a preamp)

5. Bel Canto REF1000M Monoblocks

6. I have a Supratek Cortese coming in the next few months which can replace both the Rega & Rouge Audio.

So here are my questions:

1. How big is the venue should I be looking at for a comfortable volume that people can enjoy the music, not counting other operation space for example bar/kitchen etc... Are these speakers capable of a 1000 square feet venue at 90+db?

2. Is the systems capable of heavy duty job that make them runs 8-10 hours a day? Maybe 12hrs during the weekends. 

3. I possible thinking of selling away the vintage Thorens and buy 2 Technics Direct Drive TT because of its robust construction, and slowly turns them into a DJ booth with mixer too. Is that a good idea?

4. With all the bar fixtures, guests, could this system perform well at an "acceptable" audiophile level  with proper room treatments? I know this is a vague statement, but I just think my Pearls speakers is a much better pair than other bars with JBLs. 

5. With an extra $20k on audio equipment, what should I be upgrading/changing? I must add that I don't think selling my current set up is a good idea at the local market here, so I don't think I will sell everything to buy a new system. 

6. What else should I be aware of from the experienced guys here on this kind of venture?

Thank you guys so much!

K.

hoangkhoi1207

I hope you will hear from guys who have actually done what you propose, but my gut response is that you may be better off, and spend less money, if you adopt gear that is expressly made for the purpose.  Cheap speakers, many of them as needed to fill the room with sound, placed strategically, and cheap Class D amplification, for starters.  I don't think this is a good application for 2-speaker stereo.

Just a couple words on the business side. Unless you are independently wealthy… spend absolutely as little as possible. You have a concept… find a way to make it happen with no additional expenditures. Use your own equipment. Talk to local audio stores to lend you equipment to put on display.

 

By audio Bar…. What do you mean… sell drinks? You put a few people in a place and give them a couple drinks and the nuances of audio goes away. You just have a bar.

 

Vinyl / high end audio is for solitary geeks. I am one… why would I want to go? Certainly not to meet girls. Other geeks?

 

Have you written a business plan? Who are your customers? Go find some, interview them. What are you selling… what are your costs?

 

 

 

Thank you guys for the fast responds, however, there is the current new concept on music-centric bar serving drinks, for people who cares both for the sound and the atmosphere of a bar. 

 

These are not popular even on a global scale, Japan has many of them for a few years already, and I know for sure there is a market for this type of business in my area, hence my questions, here's a link you may take a look at some of them here:

 

 

Not sure any of this is viable as a business model but I'll chime in anyway. You'll want very efficient loudspeakers. Something like Klipsch LaScalas, raised up off the floor to project the sound out over the floor. 2 direct drive TTs is also a good idea so if one goes down, you'll have a backup. You'll also want to be able to play CDs and stream. 

refer to the experience of Japanese jazz cafes ... (usually a small area) ...
A home system will fit (except amplifiers and speakers) ...
You will need a DJ - constantly choosing and turning vinyl ... a separate room from the kitchen and the common room ...

Good (even used) concert acoustics will cost a lot and it's not a high-end sound ... probably you have to use horns ... household La Scala - a quad version? ... Levinson (Daniel Herz) now has such amplifiers ...

I like the concept the Brooklyn guys have, two separate rooms. They call one "the listening room" where people are there to seriously listen to music. The other room is where customers can chat and music is in the background or similar to a typical bar.

@hoangkhoi1207 All the bars in that article except one use huge speakers to fill the large rooms with sound and they look like permanent installations.  I don't think yours will cut it.

That’s so cool , Im an old guy I had no ideas these places existed and if I was a young guy I,d frequent your spot. I think Ketchup might have it right find a pair of vintage Klipschs or something else with horns maybe to add to the effect and go for it!! Best of luck to you!

There has been prior to COVID in the UK a few types of Business Models that have proven to be quite attractive to a customer and frequently used as a repeated business.

One method is where a Vinyl LP sales premises has been set up so that it has a similar experience to using a Coffee Bar. It is quite a nice experience to choose an LP to listen to whilst having a Coffee and a Snack. There will also be the more common option to Flick Through the Sale Items, or Adon a Headphone and listen to LP's made available that are being promoted.

In more urban city locations there are trendy internet cafe's with a resident vinyl system in daily use, some of these premises run a secondary business where they are restaurant during the evening hours.

In Germany there are other concepts in use, where pursuit of an interest is supported by having access to a Vinyl System. These can be seen in some of the larger cities, have a look at the ones that can be found in Berlin and Frankfurt.      

Hey guys firstly thanks so much for your responds. 

And yes, there are people who actually wants to listen to higher quality music at a bar while socialise & having a good drink at the same time. I do, too. 

I have been to a few music bar in Singapore where music is not blasting at your face and hurt your ears, you can still sit down and talk and when you are not talking, you can clearly hear music playing nicely at a comfortable zone. 

Likely to what some of you recommended, most of the places I have been to around Asia here use more efficient horn speakers like Klipsch, but since I have my own speakers I thought if it is possible for me to utilise it since I'm not very financially capable at the moment. If it allows, I may start with a small area of 400-500sq ft/ 40-50m2 venue, so I wonder if my Joseph Audio Pearl could fill the space? I'm trying to look for a guide on speaker size/room volume to learn, if you guys know about it, please let me know. 

I can start with small venue first, and can always upgrades venue/electronics/speaker along the way if this works well. 

Also, do you guys think using the systems for hours everyday would worn it down very fast?

Op , check out ESP bar in Denver Co. Coffee bar by day, drinks at night. Tubes , Klipsch, TT. 

Thank you guys very much. That was tremendous help, I’ll check out the links & recommendation. 

They have a place(s) like this in Los Angeles. I would love to hit them up but I hate driving to L.A.

I think your gear would be a great source of music in a bar like this. I would check with Joseph Audio if their speakers will last playing continuously for so long. If they die you can replace them or something equivalent for around $5 - $10K used.

I would love to go to a bar that had a KEF Blades blasting tunes with that massive sweet spot. I bet a few older model Blades will be coming up on sale soon.

There are also those new fully active speakers that could be a destination listen for some people like me. Kii, KEF LS60, and a few others I cannot remember. I would contact the manufacturers about loaning their speakers to you since you will provide them with a high-volume listening environment.

Man, I miss going out to the bars with my buddies.

 

 

 

@yyzsantabarbara Thanks so much for your message, in fact I have already sent a few emails to Joseph Audio but they haven't replied me yet. And yes!, I have seen a video of a bar in Switzerland using just 2 KEF Blades (the original bigger version) at one side of the room, DJ was at the corner and they have a room like 1000 sq ft, however I don't know how they sound but patrons seem enjoying the music very much. The speakers are really a looker too, a highlight in the room. However in my area I don't think audio dealers here will loan me any equipment, if I really want a demo, they could do it, but no loaning I know for sure. 

@hoangkhoi1207 I was not thinking dealers (the middle  man) I was thinking contacting the manufacturers. NAIM is setting of listening spots all over North America for their gear. 

check out a cool place called Decibel in Milwaukee Oregon (suburb of Portland). 

 

They really nailed it