Cambridge Audio CD Player Has Died

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will you replace the CXC with another Cambridge model?

Happy Listening!

My CXC just died - plug it in, turn it on, gives "Reading" then "Closed" then "Open" then "Error" and does nothing after that.  Open/Close does not work.  Guess I have to dig my CD out of this damned thing.

My pleasure.

Kitjv, Thanks for the feedback.

Before getting a Bryston BCD-3, I used a CXC with a BDA-2 DAC. More than satisfied  with the SQ of my classical RedBook CD collection. 

IMO, the CXC output is excellent, and the SQ is determined by the DAC you use. 

Just a thought.

Thank you  for the information.

Congrats on your new purchases!In my limited experience pretty much every new component and cable begins to show it's true colors between 25-50 hours.After that improvements are more subtle.I'm burning in a new dac right now myself.Since everything has tubes I play something on repeat at a very low level for 3-4 hours then sit down and listen for changes for 30minutes or so.At the 50 hour mark I decide if it will stay or go.

I have always found a DAC to need break-in even if purchased used   

I bought the CXC new and the Schiit used. I felt they sounded good right away but improved after 100 hours or so. Not a different sound, more like same but better.

jl35:  Did you experience any appreciable increase in quality of sound after a period of "break-in"?

I use the CXC with a Schiit Bifrost MultiBit and think it sounds great

Well, the Cambridge Audio CXC transport arrived. I connected it into my system along with the Schiit Multibit DAC. So far I am quite pleased.

[Now there is a caveat here. As a photographer, what is pleasing to the eye is inherently subjective. Similarly, I consider reproduced music being subjective to the ear. For me, I am interested in recreating a sound experience what I imagine would sound like if the performance was in my living room. I listen for all of the nuances & imperfections in both the instruments & voices].
That being said, it seems like the combination of the CXC transport & the Schiit DAC moves closer to my objective than the Cambridge Audio Azur840C that I replaced. If only I could switch back & forth between the two, I would be more objective. Nevertheless, I am quite pleased so far.

Certainly. 

Kitjv, I would like to her your thought aon the transport after you have had time with it. Thanks.

Thank you for the link. However, I opted to exchange the defective Azur 840C for a discount on the CXC transport.

This cd player had some known cap issues that was resolved with replacement of certain ones. My 840C was serviced by Audio Plus Sevices (authorized service center) 1/2015 and I have not had a problem. Below is a link you might find helpful.

https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/227531-cambridge-840c.html

Well darn,that's too bad they are no longer available.I know nothing about the Shiit brand except what I've read.People seem to either love em or hate em.

Thank you. I will keep my eyes open.

the 25.3 comes up here fairly regularly

Thank you, jtcf, for your response. According to Roy Hall, the 25.3 is indeed less analytical. However, that is no longer in production & my limited search cannot find one in anyone's inventory.
I am also looking at the Schiit Modi 3.

Yup,the MH 25.3 is tubed.The MH 15.2 is not.If it were me I'd go for the MH 25-3.From the reviews I could dig up the 15.2 has a more analytical sound and a sibilance issue.Whatever you decide on I'd be interested in your impressions.

The Parasound I was auditioning this past month is going back.It sounded very good with small ensembles but fell apart with more complicated music.The CXC transport is perfect,it stays.

Based upon your recommendations & some research, I am leaning toward the Cambridge Audio CXC transport & one of the Music Hall DACs. I would appreciate your thoughts on the Music Hall 15.2 & the 25.3. Reviews suggest that these DACs are "warmer" than many other DACs. Am I correct in assuming that the MH 25.3 is tubed & the MH 15.2 is not?
Of course, whichever transport & DAC is purchase, I want to be sure that it is well-matched to my existing 2-channel audio system. I am running my music sources through a Audio Research SP16 tubed preamp, a Bryston 14B SST power amp & Paradigm Sig 7 speakers.
Thank you for your input.
Kit

Thank you. 

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I only added the Schiit Multi Modi to my Oppo 103 hoping to tame a slight bit of brightness I was hearing on some recordings that were a bit hot. Very pleased with the results, but it was a gamble that I was hoping would work, and it did. This time. YMMV, unfortunately, as always...

Tom

I’m curious.....will adding a dac to a stand-alone player appreciably improve the audio quality?

Thank you, tomcarr & jtcf, for the recommendations. 

If you pursue separates, the Oppo 103 plays well with a Schiit Modi Multi, using Blue Jean 75-ohm digital coax.

+1 for Marantz or Yamaha, also the Tascam 200 

Two very nice players are Marantz or Yamaha ( Crutchfield.com.)Then add a dac later.
If you stretch your budget a bit a Cambridge transport (Audioadvisor.com)and a Border Patrol dac(LTA.com) is a great combo.And a digital cable of your choosing.No affiliation with these companies,just some places to browse as you research.
I'm auditioning a Parasound dac right now that I really like except the upper midrange has a very slight glare that is bugging me.I have a new cable ordered that may clear that up,fingers crossed.Other than that one area it does everything right,silky and detailed.

Well, it's time for me to explore whether to replace my dying Cambridge Audio CD player with another standalone CD player or with individual transport & DAC units. From all of your previous comments, I can assume that some of you are immersed more deeply in the audiophile world far than I. So I would respect your recommendations on specific brands & models of transports & DACs that pair well together.
Here are a couple of parameters I would like to stay within: (1) units that will complement the "musicality" of my Audio Research tube preamp and (2) a combined price range of $600 - $1,000. However, I would be willing to extend my price range if there is a significant increase in audible quality.
Thank you in advance for your help. Much appreciated.
Kit

Thank you, everyone, for the responses. I certainly am well aware of the pros & cons associated with the two options. And, of course, personal preferences enter the equation.
So, the rest is up to me. It's time to do my homework & weigh the options. If I have any further questions, I feel confident that this forum is an excellent resource.

You're right, that's the obvious question and there's no right answer.
As with almost every question that's asked on these forums the first words of the answer should always be, "It depends."

Advantages of the one-box solution -- Simplicity, takes up less space and requires at least one fewer cable. In theory, the manufacturer has taken some care to match the two components and the total manufacturing cost is less than for two boxes. Disadvantages -- You already know the major one, if one of the components fails you're out of music. In addition, transports aren't being improved since the need for that technology is disappearing, while DACs are improving at a rapid rate, for now. It's often very difficult to find a replacement transport mechanism for a device only a few years old.

Advantages of the two-box solution -- Flexibility, being able to use the DAC for multiple sources like streaming, TV audio, etc. If one component fails you have to replace only it. Take advantage of increasingly good digital to analog conversion without having to replace your disc spinner, though there are one-box devices that have digital inputs for use with sources other than the transport.
Disadvantages -- Complexity, twice the boxes and cables. Requires a little more knowledge to integrate properly but that's an issue only once.

An important underlying consideration is that disc spinners of all kinds are an old technology as technologies go and some companies, like OPPO, are already discontinuing manufacturing of players that use them. That will only accelerate and if it survives at all it will be as a niche market with the resulting increase in cost. In a few years it will be as hard to find a transport of any kind as it is to find a SCSI drive for a computer now.

Most times it’s the laser and transport mechanism that gives out first.Your player can’t output a signal if the laser can’t track the disc.It’s hard to decide which way to go,I can relate.You’ve been happy with your current player,so just replace it with the new or refurbished(same warranty?).If you want to add a dac down the road the new player becomes the transport.
That’s the way I wanted to go but the player I had is no longer manufactured.I was happy with the equipment I had and not really excited about a change.Shhh....I may lose my audiophile card now:-)

My personal view on this is to buy a nice cd player that has the necessary outs to use as a transport. Then, should the dac fail, or if you want to upgrade the dac you can play cds while you shop around

I said this before the Marantz HD CD 1 is a really good transport MSRP $500

Thank you, sfar, for the clear explanation. Yes, indeed my player has served me well. And your recommendation to simply replace it makes sense. The question that I am asking myself is: whether to buy a new (or reconditioned) player or a DAC/transport? If I opt for the DAC/transport, I could buy the DAC first & see whether it resolves the problem with my player. If not, then I could get a new transport.

Your player has both optical and digital outputs so you would connect one of those outputs with the appropriate cable to the input of a DAC and it would bypass the internal DAC in the player. But, since the output of the player is intermittent there's a good chance the issue isn't the DAC since it has no moving parts and the transport does. No way to know without testing, either by buying or borrowing a DAC or taking it to a repair shop. If you do want to test it yourself there are decent, relatively inexpensive DACs like the Topping MX3. For testing purposes you could use a single RCA to RCA cable for the coax connection rather than buy a purpose-built digital cable.

Or, you could be satisfied you've had many years of excellent service for your player and find a replacement. That would be my recommendation. Even if your transport isn't the problem now it will be some time in the future. It's a mechanical device that spins at very high rpm and will fail eventually, just like the tires on our car.

Well, seems like the issue of periodically "going dead" is still plaguing my CD player. So it looks like a replacement is inevitable. If I opt to buy a DAC to see if that resolves the problem, how would I connect it to my Cambridge Audio CD player? Would doing so bypass the internal DAC in the CD player? Sorry if this sounds remedial; but this is new territory for me. Thank you.

You are very welcome. Happy listening!

tomcarr: Thank you for the info. For no explainable reason, for the past 10 days the CD player has worked flawlessly. However, I will keep your suggestions on hand in the event the problem resurfaces.

Tascam discontinued their 200iL model but it's still available at pro gear retailers. It got an excellent review and is owned by at least two reviewers at Stereophile. A used Oppo 103 would be a great choice too, as would used models from Marantz and Rega. I wouldn't spend any more money on a 15- year old CDP.

Yes, CA offered me the same when I had some repair work done last year. That will certainly be an option. Thank you.

CA will accept returns of broken equipment with a credit against new. I recently traded in an Azur DAC for a tidy portion of the cost of the new Edge.

Just to follow up on my last post...as I mentioned, the CD player started to work again. However, occasionally the audio output will stop suddenly. Interestingly, if I power-cycle it on & off, it will begin to work fine again. Might this be a clue as to what is malfunctioning?
Thank you, all, for your help with this!!
Kit

About 9 months ago my trusty Pioneer PD 65 (stable platter) died. I searched everywhere, including Alibaba, then called Pioneer, but parts no longer available

Being in the ~ $500 range I did a lot of research and was surprised to find Marantz HD CD 1 was full of hi-end parts. I picked one up very slightly used for ~ $400. It looks good, sounds great with all the proper outs. Im using it as a transport as my pre has a built in dac

hth

I disagree that there's a good chance that the transport may have outlasted the DAC. Typically, mechanical transports wear out or the laser weakens. DACs being non-mechanical usually don't wear out.  By all means, check the transport with an outboard DAC if possible, but I'd bet money it's the transport.  Have you notice an tracking problems?

Well, out of curiosity I turned on the CD player a few minutes ago. At the moment it's working, but there undoubtedly is an issue. Maybe heat related? We'll see.

Chances are the transport is still good. You might get a cheap DAC that you can use to test the Cambridge.

Is there an method to determine whether the problem lies with the DAC or the transport that I can do myself?

Thank you. As soon as I decide what option I want to pursue regarding the replacement of my CD player, I will seek your recommendations. Many thanks.