@ audiozen, Hi, I have never heard a recording that sounded like it was realistic sounding from the 50's and 6o's!, I believe those recordings that you are referring to were sought after for the music that was on them recordings only, not because of the quality of the recordings!, and I agree, the 50's and 60's recordings are sought after!,, In reality, not by anybody in their 20's or early 30's, just ole folks that are in their mid 50's to 75 years of age!, LOL! I am getting there, I am 46, I do like some 60's music, Janis joplin, the stones,jimie hendrix, etc..., the 50's, I have listened to alot of that, ask me what I just listened to, LOL!, I would not have a clue!,, cheers! |
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"Bare in mind also that many of the top very expensive Cable companie's will give away their cable's to famous studio's, concert hall's, and Artist's so they can put in their company resume's that these famous sources use their product's."
Can you list some examples? |
Bare in mind also that many of the top very expensive Cable companie's will give away their cable's to famous studio's, concert hall's, and Artist's so they can put in their company resume's that these famous sources use their product's. |
Really?..Very high priced interconnect's and speaker cable's did not exist back in the 50's and 60's. Yet some of the greatest recording's from that time from RCA, Columbia/CBS, Capitol, Atlantic are very much sought after today. Back then they were using "junk cable's" you refer to in the studio's. |
@ audiozen,,Thats some very good info you have here!, However, The t.v.stations,recording studios,local radio stations cannot afford real cables!, The cables you are reffering to are junk!, I do know some world class recording studios and music venues like carnege hall, that use top tier Taralabs cables thru -out!, cheers! |
Consider this..ever wonder where your local Broadcast companie's, TV Station's and Recording Studio's buy their cable's ? In the Seattle area where I live all the commercial companie's buy their I.C.'s and speaker cable's from Radar Inc. just north of Seattle. Call your local Radio and T.V. station's and Recording Studio's and talk to the sound engineer's and they will give you contact info of the local companie's they buy from. These supply house's have very good quality cable's at real world price's that are far lower priced than your local high end audio retail or online store's. |
@ zd542,, Thankyou so much!, You my friend are a real gentleman!,,Happy listening! |
A little crazy? You're just being modest.
"all of the members have been talking to each other a long time, and it seems at times they do not like someone new!"
Too bad. You have every right to post, just like they did when they were new members. |
@ Zd542, Thankyou for the good guy compliment, I do try to avoid negativity!I am new to audiogon, so please excuse me if at times I may sound a little crazy!,all of the members have been talking to each other a long time, and it seems at times they do not like someone new!,, cheers! |
Audiolabyrinth,
I didn't take you the wrong way. I've read too many of your posts to know you are nothing other than a good guy. I know what you are saying about the insults; I don't like them either. Computeraudiophile is like a good sport. Its fun to watch every so often.
Waxwaves,
Let me take it a step further. If you don't clean your ears at all, it will be a perfectly good excuse to buy new equipment. You'll need better components to compensate for all the wax in your ears.
Nyaudio98,
Regarding your last post; Correct. Speaker companies want to make the best products they can. To do that, you need the best parts. |
@ Nyaudio98, Hi, Glad to see that you have the same sentiments as I do!, Cables make a difference!, cheers! |
@ Zd542, See what I am talking about!, look at waxwaves post!,I like to have humor in my life!, everyone does not have to be so serious all the time!,, cheers for waxwaves! |
If it total hype, why has a known speaker manufacterer upgraded his one speaker with internal nordost wiring and it has made a significant sound difference |
@ zd542,, I am sorry, you have taken me the wrong way!, I hate and dispise arguments of audio!, I will not involve myself in that!, I do not like insults toward me or toward eany body else!, I try to carry myself like a gentleman and expect the same in return, zd542, I just like to laugh and kid around and have a little fun with everyone!, no insults!, I like to here jokes told to me or get bewildered by what someone thinks, like cables don't make a difference!, now that is funny!, cheers! |
Audiolabyrinth,
I thought the Rokhead was bad. Don't take this the wrong way, but it just might be time for you to take your meds. Or maybe you should stop taking them. Or get different ones. Or something.
I should have mentioned this before, but you may want to check out the web site computeraudiophile.com. If you like arguments and insults pertaining to anything involving high end audio, this is your website. You should be able to occupy yourself for hours over there. |
Don't spend $$ on a professional ear cleaning! Save that $$ for audio gear!!! LOL! A bottle of Hydrogen Peroxide solution will do the trick for $2....;) Now let's upgrade! LOL! |
Ha,Ha! glad somebody stepped up to the plate!, Thanks for the laugh Rolling18!! Happy listening! |
lets not forget possibly the CHEAPEST improvement in your WHOLE system... and out side in the world..
a PROFESSIONAL EAR CLEANING!:) |
Where is the dilema!, popcorn for crying out loud!,, Bring it on!, somebody, give me entertainment!, cheers! |
@ tls49,, I figured it out and went to all the threads!, very funny and cool! thankyou, can you come up with more?,, cheers! |
@ Tls49, Hi, can you post me a direct link to both of these threads, I cannot seem to find them, thankyou, cheers! |
Anyone in the mood to kill again the old topics of why generous amounts of negative feedback and high damping factors are good . . . or bad? |
If you want another good laugh, check out my post at the thread,
"Best drink while listening to your rig?" |
The thread is: DOES YOUR EQUIPMENT KEEP GOING?. The OP gives a link to a youtube video. |
@ Zd542,, Are you serious?,, Forreal?, Where do I find that thread? thankyou, cheers! |
Audiolabyrinth,
I think you get more enjoyment out of this site than anyone. Did you see the thread with the washing machine. I laughed so hard I thought I cracked a rib. I'm still sore and its been 2 days. |
@ Bjesien,, Ha, Ha!, Thats Hilarious!, I like to read and laugh, thankyou, very enjoyable post you posted! |
Anyone remember the old Tales from the Crypt with the cable guy? Abel with the cable? Would be a good slogan. |
why is the question generating so many responses.
it seems the dead horse has been killed several times.
the number of responses seems to me totally out of proportion to the subject.
if companies exaggerate the claims of their products, the consumer will eventually find out and the company will lose business.
is audiogon an outlet for audio "yentaism" ? |
@ zd542,, very good point made!, I enjoyed the context you put things!, self explainatory!,, cheers! |
04-21-13: Old_6eyes
And companies that sell high-priced cables aren't doing the same thing? I never said that, cable companies play the same game. My point was why take one used car salesman's word with higher regard than the other used car salesman? They are all playing to their own best interests. |
I think I see the problem here. I may actually be able to settle this whole debate. (Although I wouldn't bet on that.)
High end audio is a hobby/interest. Like any such activity there are all levels of knowledge an skill. Generally speaking, really expensive audio products, cables or otherwise, are meant for people who know what they want and know what they are doing. This has nothing to do with being a snob or having a lot of money.
Where most people in audio go wrong is that they circumvent learning from experience with learning from magazine reviews and other peoples opinions. There's no substitute for setting up and evaluating an audio system yourself. Read all the magazines you want, take all the math classes you want, and listen to all the people you want, and you still wont know all that much about getting good sound. The reason for that is its a subjective process. Everyone wants something different.
In the beginning of my post I said I may be able to end the discussion. (I'm not actually suggesting that people should stop talking or comments shouldn't be made. I just want to help with all the confusion). The way to get cables right is to learn by listening, in the context of what your experience level is and your system. If you can't tell if a cable is good or not, or even worth the money, you have no business buying it. Its just that simple. You need to do the evaluation and make the decision yourself; every time. Anything less than that and you are just asking for problems. You may argue things like, "theres no local dealer", or "I don't have the time" or "I don't have the experience" or "It'll take too long to build the system that way". I'm sorry but thats just the way it goes.
Think of it like this. I'm a skier. I can read all the ski reviews I want but I take the time to get demo skis and head out to the mountain. I try the skis in every possible situation to make sure they do what I need them to do and I'll be safe in the process. I could just take the easy way out and buy the best rated skis and go to the top of a steep mountain and see what happens. If I lose control and smack right into a tree, who's fault will it be? Mine. Not only that, I deserve it for being so stupid in the first place. Same thing with audio. |
"Do you take their opinion as unbiased? Obviously, they want you to spend your money on their equipment! In their opinion you can use a coat hanger to tie your gear together so that you can afford to move up their food chain and buy their more expensive offerings. There's always a trick. ;)"
And companies that sell high-priced cables aren't doing the same thing? |
I agree with jmcgrogan2!,, sorry Phillyb!,, I had a Krell authorized repair shop tell me to use studio cables!,LOL!,,,cheers! |
04-17-13: Phillyb
Talk to many designers of gear and they all will tell you don't spend a lot on cables. Nuff said. Do you take their opinion as unbiased? Obviously, they want you to spend your money on their equipment! In their opinion you can use a coat hanger to tie your gear together so that you can afford to move up their food chain and buy their more expensive offerings. There's always a trick. ;) |
Most designers do not know a lot about other brands. And they do not have a lot of experience with many different cables. I asked them many times about this. Many times I was surprised how little they knew. |
What I did in the past was always an a-b comparison. Like a source with an inexpensive powercabele and a less expensive source with an expensive powercabel etc. Then a blind test and ask what people prefer. At the end it is just about the best sound. So keep it simple.....Your welcome Audiolabyrinth. |
@ jmcgrogan2,, Thats funny you said that, at the cost of these cables, that I do not agree with, I believe they should do all that you said,LOL!,,,very good since of humor!,, you got a chuckle out of me!,,, thanks john,, Happy listening! |
@ Bo1972, Thanks Bo, That meant alot coming from you with all you vast experience with cables!,, cheers! |
Talk to many designers of gear and they all will tell you don't spend a lot on cables. Nuff said.
Does that mean you should not if you choose to and you enjoy the sound a certain cable will produce, no, this is a hobby and if you want to hear how the real recording sounded in the studio, well you better have the master tape on hand. LP or Digital cannot touch it.
What we are doing in a home system is building a system that sounds good to our ears and perception of good sound.
I like playing with cables for that reason. I can change the sound somewhat of my system without having to buy new gear. Inductance and impedance, and your gear all work together to give the final sound or interaction of a given cable to the one piece of equipment it is attached to. That is the big unknown and the fun of trying new cable. |
04-16-13: Audiolabyrinth
Cheers!!!,,, Cables RuLE!,,, The Taralabs zero gold,omega gold is the most beutiful sounding cable I have ever heard, bar none!, this cable does it all! Does it clean the house and cook dinner? Chauffeur you around town? Give you good financial advice? If it does all of that, I may have to seriously consider an investment into this Tara Labs Zero Gold, Omega Gold cable that you speak of. ;) |
Dear Audiolabyrinth, cables are about real love! Friends for life. |
Cheers!!!,,, Cables RuLE!,,, The Taralabs zero gold,omega gold is the most beutiful sounding cable I have ever heard, bar none!, this cable does it all! |
Cables make audio more fun and better in quality. And wenn you understand them well you can get the peronal sound you are looking for. They give you extra control as well over your personal sound. It is just about personal taste. And cables can easilly help you with this. So yessss cables make life even better. I love them so much! |
@ Waxwaves,, your last post made me chuckle! A great point made! cheers! |
I almost forgot about this thread...NOT!!
@Jmcgrogan2, you're cracking me up right now...just read this. Jmcgrogan, has a super keen sense of humor folks in case your not very funny...:) You never fail to make me laugh or at least chuckle.
Audiolabyrinth, like me, loves cables and a good laugh. He loves his Tara Labs Zero Gold to be exact. So he, like Jmcgrogan2 and so many others here, knows what a great cable can do for an audio system...
Finally, We are all interested in cables and for good reason. Some of us Crazy about it??? Maybe, but a better way to say it is that we are "serious" about it. Serious about these serious cables. You should try it...Seriously. |
@ t1s49,, thats a cool post! very funny!I do not know If I fall in that category,however, I love a great sounding cable! cheers! |
04-10-13: Mrtennis
can someone explain why there have been 300 + posts in response to a thread whose subject is cable ? Good question, and probably needs an extensive investigation of the phenomenon. The topic of cables seems to greatly stimulate many Audiophiles’ senses to the point that this strong arousal cannot be controlled, and a lot of them have been known to lust for cables that are unobtainable. Even if they are obtainable, these reoccurring fantasies result in a poor relationship with their current system. Also, the compulsive desire leads to them becoming “cable junkies” and therapy may help, but relapse often occurs. Name for the investigation will be, “Cables and Severe Psychosis Or Trauma”, to be commonly known as the “C-Spot” study. |
@ jmcgrogan2,, You just made me laugh out of my chair!,, the context that your response was hilarious!,, all of sit around eanyway talking on these threads, whats the differance?,, you know I like the entertainment of this thread, no harm done, I like to laugh! cheers! |
