Best Option To Liquidate CD Collection

if bad comes to worst, why not divorce?

solve this problem with divorce ? Hmmmmm I hadnt thought
of that as a possible solution...

You guys are soooo helpful.

What happens if he gets divorced and his ex wife gets the computer and he gets to keep the CD's. Assume also that the wife has no idea that the music on the HD was ripped from her husbands collection. For all she knows, they were downloads that were paid for.

Rel, you've omitted option of non-existing digital download for out-of-print copies. whatchagonnado in that case??

Its all in the marketing, son.

Dude, I'm really having a trouble selling a black cube painting recently done for art museum for half price you were going to ask for yo's!

Blueskies: At the risk of appearing to have some sort of personal vendetta against you (believe me, I really don't) let me just say this: you really don't get it!

If you create an amazing work of art with your CDs (whether you glue them together, turn them into a mobile, or coat them with bacon grease), once you transfer ownership of them (regardless of whether or not you receive monetary compensation), you have given up the license you had to make personal use of the copies that you have made. Period.

Now if you wanted to glue those CDs together to create a great work of art, I think you'd be on solid legal ground--provided that you did not transfer ownership of your amazing creation! I suppose you could then exhibit it in your home (or at your local U-Stor-It unit), and even charge admission for the privilege of viewing your masterpiece. Perhaps you'd eventually realize your $50,000 goal. You could then use the cash to purchase LEGAL downloads from, say, iTunes, and THEN you could sell (or give away) your CDs in good conscience (after erasing the rips you made from those CDs).

One thing to keep in mind, though (and this brings up an entirely different discussion which I'm not really interested in getting into right now): when you purchase a digital download, you are merely purchasing a license for personal use (kinda like buying a CD), but apparently this license is NOT TRANSFERABLE. So even if you purchase a download that you absolutely detest, and never want to hear again, you can't legally sell it or even give it away!
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So here is a thought. What if I glue all of them together
and create a large piece of Modern Art ?
I am sure one of out local art museums would pay me
$50,000 at least for such a wonderful piece of art that
was made of recycled elements.
Problem solved.

A known defect should be covered regardless. I held on to them waiting for a reply that never came. I would have sent them back if they asked. I figure I ate at least 1000 dollars. This problem was well known to them.
They also stated in the early days of CD's that these would be the last disks we would have to purchase and they would last forever unlike vinyl that wears out and gets scratched, to me that is a warranty. Oh I should have known it was just a sales gimmick back then like perfect sound. How about CD's would not skip like records do lol.

"What about all those CD's I purchased early on that the foil separated from the plastic. The record company's never gave me new product or my money back. I even wrote them letters about it and got not replies. If the record companies are not honest ...."

When you bought the CD's, were they supposed to come with a lifetime warranty? If they were covered, I can't imagine that they would give you new CD's without sending them your defective ones.

Let's try this again. Yes, Qubuz is having problems, but tidalhifi.com is coming this fall . . . I hope!

Thanks for the update, Mofi. :( Another, "oh, well," . . . back to ripping.

"Get ready for Qobuz, coming by the end of the year from France.

Maybe, maybe not...Qobuz in Trouble

Get ready for Qobuz, coming by the end of the year from France. Full CD rez FLAC streaming, probably about $30/month. And I finally got my computer server done last week . . . Oh, well . . .

So what I am hearing is every person that has an issue with the sale of CD's that were copied to a hhd system have NO music they do not themselves own the original source it came from? Dam I should delete all that rap or any other music my kids own that is on MY music server. Also do not forget to delete any music your children have on your system when they move out if the above is not observed.
What about all those CD's I purchased early on that the foil separated from the plastic. The record company's never gave me new product or my money back. I even wrote them letters about it and got not replies. If the record companies are not honest ....

For OOP CDs it doesn't matter at all.
They're not generating an income neither for record companies nor for artists. They're only in the used collectible market. Feel absolutely free to copy and then sell as long as you don't share/sell your files.
Make sense?
For other than OOP, care only about Audiogon Police Department LOL!

Bluesky,

Since your concern is storage space, keep the CD's by taking them out of the cases and store them in the below linked Aluminimum hard case that can hold 900 CD's. Take the plastic CD cases to the local library, my library was very appreciative when I brought them in.

http://www.meritline.com/950-discs-rolling-aluminum-cd-holder-cases-wheeled-silver---p-55537.aspx

Now I know why my uncle Vinny always tells me to have people meet me under the bridge with the money in a brown paper bag and not tell anyone. At this point, Blueskiephd, I think you should just go down to your nearest FBI office and turn yourself in. Something tells me that if you so much as walk out your front door with a CD in hand, the SWAT team will take you out.

Wrong again, Blueskies! Sorry!

If you give away the CDs you also give away the license you have to listen to the copies that you made when you ripped them to your hard drive.

Think of it this way: if you buy a ticket to see a concert, you cannot make a perfect copy of that ticket, sell the original ticket, and use the copy to gain admission to the concert. And whether you sell the original ticket or give it away really makes no difference.

And just like a CD, you can make a copy of the ticket, or you can sell (or give away) the original ticket--you just can't do both.

Hope that helps...
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Ok I still have the CDs and have not tried to sell them. Sounds like I
Need to give them away for free and ask for a donation....

I know where it can be easily done, take it down to highway 61

OP-

what have you decided to do w/ your collection?
can I get a list of the Box Sets ?
Happy Listening.

"08-22-14: Jperry
Could you post a list of recording companies I can feel good about cheating, and a list of the ones that I should feel bad about cheating (maybe artist owned?). Thanks."

You have to cheat them all, even the good ones. Otherwise you'll have a discrimination lawsuit to deal with, as well.

Could you post a list of recording companies I can feel good about cheating, and a list of the ones that I should feel bad about cheating (maybe artist owned?). Thanks.

number of copies given to friends increase the chance of artist booking larger venue and retreiving larger profits from performances. it also give light bites to the recording companies-pimps profits. them are mostly interested in copyright laws, not artists. they even block artists from performing songs that they've aquired copyrights from(Fogerty as an example).
read notes on wiki about Lother album of Frank Zappa who prepared crowd to turn their tape recorders onto the radio and record his commercial free album completely FREE. all artists want YOU to hear them regardless of the contracts with pimps.
so who by definition supports artists???
RIAA? Columbia label? RCA label? ...or maybe audiophile crowd testing how this or that particular recording sounds? WRONG PICK! WRONG DIRECTION! TADAM!
listening to recorded cassette or CDR in your auto, office or home regardless weather you have or haven't an authorized purchased copy is NOT immoral or unethical. it's rather stoopid to tink dat way.
it seems that if the law tells ya ta bend over and relax yer hips, ye'r gonna b ready 100% to accept a footlong penatration while i'm ready to rise my middle finger instead and blow cigar smoke right to the face and after spit through the teeth(burp)!

"These old self-righteous delusive people speaking out here have no life and need something to believe in no matter how
retarded their automatonophobiatic puppet strings are pulled."

And you're getting all this from reading and posting opinions in threads talking about stereo equipment? What makes you any different? You're posting too.

"there's BIGGER things in this world to worry about for Allah's sake...."

Who's Allah? The name sounds familiar. Does he make cables?

If you upload 1 CD and share it, it has the potential hurt sales of
thousands, or possibly millions of CD's

Unless you're Metallica or Dr. Dre - which no one listens to anyway...

Screw the RIAA - rip away people - give to friends - sell the originals - there's BIGGER things
in this world to worry about for Allah's sake....

Czarivey, keep the rips you sell. No one cares... (for real. These old self-righteous delusive
people speaking out here have no life and need something to believe in no matter how
retarded their automatonophobiatic puppet strings are pulled).

Its probably worth noting that the people record companies are going after are file sharers. In order to win a law suit, you need to show damages. So, if a person has a few burned CD's that fit the definition of illegal, the damage is very small. There's no way record companies co go after that type of thing. The dollar amounts are just not there. No so with file sharing. If you upload 1 CD and share it, it has the potential hurt sales of thousands, or possibly millions of CD's. Those are the people that companies go after.

Rel has it right; czarivey is trying to rationalize (excuse) illegal conduct, his ad hominem attacks further devalue his position.
It's pretty simple and really has nothing to do w digital vs analog. You can duplicate copyrighted material for personal non-commercial use. You cannot sell or give away or trade the material if you retain either the original or the copy. Think of it this way- it's the content/intellectual property that is protected not its format.

Didn't care much about those smallish neuances about getting rid of material you've once recorded and than either lost or sold a copy. The place where I started selling media did not have any RIAA so I could keep and enjoy the copies I've made either on R2R or cassette and have no worries about 5 years in jail +$250k in fines WHEW!.
I don't have to even think about it because the digital material I have either will be supported by analogue copy or CD. My store has MY records and CDs and as soon as I'm sold out of the LAST copy, I'll delete it.
Figure out my personal collection is near 10,000 vinyls, 1300 CDs and 2TB of hi-rez digital downloads. The store has over 30,000 records and CDs.
Not all recordings on the media or on the digital downloads belong to artist did you know that? Most of it belongs to record companies, the pimps! Stealing from those who steal I don't thing is immoral or unethical and only sentence that protects the pimps can stop ya from doin' that.

Alas from audiophiles, who mostly listen to their rig, I support artists by attending their live shows, joining the fan clubs, promoting new artists, booking venues and booking bands.

Unless there's no proof, it's only dogma.

Czarivey: I’m going to go way out on a limb here, and assume that English is not your first language, as I can think of no other explanation for your incomprehensible and incoherent comment (exemplified by the above sentence), unless, of course, it is due to the misuse or overuse of your favorite psychoactive substance, combined injudiciously with something more prosaic like, say, airplane glue.

As someone who makes his living from the fruits of the talented musicians who create the records you sell, one would think you would be a bit more sympathetic to their desire to not be ripped-off by the sale and circulation of unauthorized copies of their works.

Your posts make it pretty clear that you love music, so I find it difficult to comprehend the cloak of willful ignorance in which you wrap your outlandish opinions. Do you really think it is NOT illegal to make and distribute unauthorized copies of copyrighted material?

Why the RIAA? Because they claim to represent the artists who are harmed by illegal sharing of their works. Many of the positions and actions taken by the RIAA can be legitimately criticized, and I am rather surprised to find myself defending them, but in this matter I believe they are right.

If you think this is all merely “dogma” you might want to have a look at this page, which explains some of the basics: The Law

One notable highlight:

Burning a copy of a CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won’t usually raise concerns so long as:
• The copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own
• The copy is just for your personal use. It’s not a personal use – in fact, it’s illegal
– to give away the copy or lend it to others for copying.

You seem to relish the persona of the rebel and the outlaw, which is, of course, your prerogative. But don’t pretend that your viewpoints are legitimate or worthy of emulation.

I’m done with this discussion: peace out!
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I just found bunch of cassette tapes with recorded material from CDs and LPs recently...
I also just found bunch of CDRs with different recorded material...
That's immoral, unethical and illegal. Right?

Possession of illegal substance or weapon surely has public information about rules, regulation, sentences and possible verdicts. Go anywhere and you'll get bunch of sources to read from and know.

Possession of recorded media material does NOT have any public information about rules, regulations etc. I only found dogmas so far. So where are the articles and public laws or links to there? Unless there's no proof, it's only dogma.

Unless, of course, you are unlucky enough that the RIAA decides to make an example of you and sue you for every penny you're worth, the chances of getting caught are pretty slim. But to argue that this practice is anything but illegal, immoral and unethical is simply a self-serving rationalization.
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Rel

Does RIAA have hands long enough to reach outside USA? Why RIAA?

At last, an answer to the original question that I understand and makes perfect sense. Thank you REL.

IANAL, but the situation is really pretty simple: it's perfectly legal to sell a CD you own, and it's perfectly legal to rip a CD that you own to your hard drive. However, if you choose to sell a CD that you've copied, it is NOT legal to retain the copy.

A CD is a physical object, but when you purchase a CD, you acquire not just a physical copy of the music, but also a license for the personal use of that music. Purchasing a CD does not, for example, allow you to use that music for the soundtrack of a commercial motion picture. That is a use not covered by the license.

If you decide to sell your CD, you sell not only the silver disk, but the personal use license that goes with it. Any copies you retain are no longer licensed, or in other words, are illegal.

Unless, of course, you are unlucky enough that the RIAA decides to make an example of you and sue you for every penny you're worth, the chances of getting caught are pretty slim. But to argue that this practice is anything but illegal, immoral and unethical is simply a self-serving rationalization.
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OK Ladies calm down. I didn't mean to start a pissing contest
on who has the biggest disc....well you know what I mean.
I am just trying to solve a problem here but don't want to hire an attorney to sell my pile of plastic.
Ok lawyers...this is where you move in from the shadows.....

Onhwy61, I don't think you're reading at all all. I didn't ask for any money.

But Czarivey, I don't have much money...

Zd542, have you read the entire thread?

Blue-

i would be interested in your box sets- possibly.
Feel free to contact me w/ the titles and i will respond.
Happy Listening.

Onhwy61,

You don't like capitalism, do what do you care? If everyone gets free music, then the system is fair, no?

Onhwy61, Now, who's immature after all LOL!!??
Please refer to definition of irrelevance indeed -- enhance your vocabulary and mindpower. Never late to learn.
You can copy/rip at my house ANYTHING even my silhouette behind the shower curtain and I won't ask a single dime and certainly wouldn't care about whatcha gonna do next with copied material. Your arz isn't mine that's going to be lashed quite hard after all all.
Then everybody will or won't be happy regardless indeed, and who cares if or not.

Czarivey, can I come over your house and copy/rip all your CDs and music files to my hard drive(s)? I'm not going to pay you anything, but I'll make copies of the hard drives and sell them on EBay. Then everybody will be happy!

Onhwy61, Swampwalker, apologise if sarcazm bites your nerve tissues, but I was NOT confronted by truth but rather dogma. Dig difference?

bellow notes from wiki for your future reference:

Dogma is a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.[1] It serves as part of the primary basis of an ideology or belief system, and it cannot be changed or discarded without affecting the very system's paradigm, or the ideology itself. The term can refer to acceptable opinions of philosophers or philosophical schools, public decrees, religion, or issued decisions of political authorities.[2]

The term derives from Greek δόγμα "that which seems to one, opinion or belief"[3] and that from δοκέω (dokeo), "to think, to suppose, to imagine".

Let me know if you need to know other life examples of other common dogmas if curious.

Yes, but the SQ is hit or miss, mainly miss. It's the live shows that allow the folks recording in the audience/field to do so jacked into the board. I have tons of live recordings of my fave bands... that I give to friends

Notec, Bootlegging(or building your own unofficial releases) of the real live concerts is more profitable.
There's lots of headroom for creativity even now on who to bootleg for best profits.

- Rip them all to disc.
- Sell them all to a collector
- Burn the hard drive copies to CDr and sell those again maximizing your profits!
- Then go to church and ask Dog for forgiveness...
-REPEAT till dead.

When confronted with truth, answer with sarcasm -- it's the mature way of handling life.

Swampwalker,
Thanks for your deep expertise in show biz laws.
Slap my wrists ouch!!!
It was very entertaining!

Most helpful Zd.

"Now I want to sell the entire collection of appx.
800 discs. A nice mix of genres, some originals, some remasters, a few box sets, some with dvds
Has anyone had good success doing this in bulk? Of course
pricing is always the sticking point."

Break your collection up into several smaller groups. Make each group consist of material that's all related. For example, say you have 100 classical CD's in your collection, along with another 100 in heavy metal. If you sold it all in 1 big lot, chances are that whoever buys it won't pay as much for it. Someone may want your classical cd's only. But if you force the buyer to take them all, they won't pay as much.

Given that, I think ebay is definitely the way to go. You reach a huge amount of people with ebay, and the auction format doesn't lock you into a single price. You have the potential get more for you cd's than you thought.

If you don't already have an ebay account you'll have to create one. That means you won't have any feedback. Before you list your CD's, buy a few things on ebay first. That way you can get some feedback on your account. Also, don't list all of your CD's at once. List just 1 lot at a time. Doing it this way, you'll be able to add more feedback to your account. When you sell your 2nd lot you now have the feedback from the first sale on your account. Not only that, when people see that you've already sold some cd's and have good feedback for the sale, they're more likely to trust you, resulting in higher bids on your items.

10 years. Damn autocorrect!