Are these Speakers the BEST on Planet Earth ?...

I have a soft heart. I really worry.

Too busy perfecting the Kenjit Individually Tuned Speaker Systems (KITSS) that will soon make KII obsolete.

Are these the best speakers ever? Unlikely, but this may be one of the better threads for showing bias and lack of knowledge in the audiophile community. I would guesstimate that most pontificating don't really even understand the technology behind the Kii. I suspect in a well treated room, especially one customized to the speakers, one could achieve better performance from other speakers, probably even many. I also suspect that for many audiophiles, the Kii, due to their lack of proper room treatments, and lack of customization of treatment, may be able to provide a superior listening experience to many high end speakers in they have heard and would put in their home assuming the drivers/electronics are capable of low distortion at intended listening levels.

Love the little digs, and I would not be throwing around terms like "Dunning Kruger" unless you have some serious technical chops in the topic of discussion. Probably best not to bring up live music and flat response either ... playback is much different from creation. Scale? ... do audiophiles not even understand how SPL is measured (when they bring in big speakers and low powered amps)?

So many assumptions there, Bobbie!    

This technology will get better in the future! 
 
Alnico Magnets in the future would be a great improvement!

Not assumptions there Roddie, extrapolations based on what people in this thread have written.

These are not even horns...  c'mon, everyone knows that the best speakers in the word are Romy the Cat loudspeakers!! ))
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@douglas_schroeder  One of the concerns about my possible purchase of the Von Schweikert VR55s was the height and number/size of the woofers. Can this speaker have great dynamic bass with 2-8" woofers, effortless and scale as my current speakers, Legacy Focus which has 6-12" woofers?  I intend to purchase the VR9MKII as it is much easier to drive, is taller and has more woofer area.   

Correction-Focus has 3-12" woofers per speaker.

I suspect in a well treated room, especially one customized to the speakers, one could achieve better performance from other speakers, probably even many.

My own experiment is there is no comparison between a speakers pair in a treated room and the same in a non well or non treated room....This is a fact....

''All'' and ''some''. The logic of quantifiers. Those are used to express
generality. So they can't be used as names.
The formulea are:
''For all x FX& GX''
All members of set x have the properties F and G.
If there is one x which does not satisfy those properties  then the
whole statement is not true.]

''Some x are Fx&Gx''
This statement is true if at least one x satisfy conditions F and G.
Who has examined ''all speakers'' and knows if all of them 
satisfy F and G?
What our member do is examine SOME speakers and proclame
those for the ''best''. 

From a product placement standpoint @mahgister, these speakers are targeting those less likely to treat their room, and given that, they may end up superior to those much more expensive.

mahgister2,680 posts07-02-2020 12:27pm

I suspect in a well treated room, especially one customized to the speakers, one could achieve better performance from other speakers, probably even many.

My own experiment is there is no comparison between a speakers pair in a treated room and the same in a non well or non treated room....This is a fact....

Give me a break, guys! Everything can be improved. It depends on where you want to get off the merry go round. And how competitive you’re trying to be. It’s like the early settlers. A lot got tired of traveling in covered wagons and Indians and decided to stop in the Midwest. Or not travel at all. 

You must not have heard of the Hierarchy of Sound. A modest, low cost system can be Tweaked to sound better than a moderately expensive untweaked system. And a moderately expensive system can be tweaked to sound better than a very expensive untweaked system. And a tweaked expensive system can be out of this world. You could say It’s the law of the jungle.

@martykl 
Glad to see you posting with some frequency!

Oops, I dropped off the thread participation and see that Fleshler wanted a thought about the different design of the VS vs the Legacy. 

If I recall correctly, the Focus has two 12" bass drivers per side. Having handled a lot of speakers, including the VS VR IV Mk2, I do not think that typically a speaker (VonSchweikert or alternative) having twin 8" woofers will have nearly the frequency extension or output as one having a pair of 12" drivers. 

I'm sure there could be all sorts of objections from persons who argue the cabinet, build, crossovers, etc. can make the 8" drivers do wonders. In my experience, not typically. The character of the twin 12" would be fundamentally different than the 8". So, my answer to your question, would it have the "effortless and scale" of the Focus? No, it would not. Whether the speaker is more pleasing to someone is an entirely different question, which only in comparison in a system could be answered by the listener. 

Not even close.